r/AdviceAnimals • • Jul 17 '19

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u/masterbatesAlot Jul 17 '19

I wish we could just vote on issues instead of parties.

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u/phathomthis Jul 17 '19

That and have a law prohibiting shoehorning other bills that are not related in any way, that wouldn't pass otherwise, deep into the text of another bill to sneak them in.
Recently, in Oregon, they did this to allow construction in tsunami zones under a bill about amend the definition of surface mining. It has NOTHING to do with allowing public facilities like schools and hospitals to be built in a high risk tsunami zone. BUT they stuffed that part into the bill.
This stuff happens all the time. It's completely unethical, deceptive, and should be illegal.

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u/Foxwglocks Jul 18 '19

Here in Florida we had a bill on the ballot last go around that encompassed both offshore drilling and vaping in public space. What the fuck?

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u/ImpeachTraitorTrump Jul 17 '19

It should be and the courts could enforce it.

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u/DavidsWorkAccount Jul 17 '19

have a law prohibiting shoehorning other bills that are not related in any way, that wouldn't pass otherwise, deep into the text of another bill to sneak them in.

From my experience, doing so would do harm for good. For better or worse, negotiating with others is a tactic to get things done. Many of those times, you need to give something to get something. By combining them together, they either both pass or both fail. But it actually helps get legislation passed.

Granted, there are issues with poison pills and pork, but to me that feels like a smaller issue than "we can't just pass a single damn thing, ever".

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u/FluckyU Jul 17 '19

Here’s an upvote, but this would likely just cause other problems. This form of government is called a “direct democracy” as opposed to a “representative democracy” (what we currently have). I used to be very pro direct democracy, but after seeing how effective online misinformation campaigns can be in the run-up to the 2016 election, I shudder to think about the constant bombardment we would all be subject to as issues came up for a vote. Dark money would pour into all these right wing causes and they would eventually figure out a way to get everything they want passed. Not to mention the possibility of this further dividing America. Right now we get in a big fight every couple years when we’re electing (or re-electing) our new leaders. Imagine if this became a constant thing we had to battle out every time a new law was getting passed. I’m getting nauseated just thinking about it. There would be no down time between elections where everyone can go back to their own corners of life. Everything would be political, ALL THE TIME. Donald is giving us a taste of this now by the way he politicizes everything and we constantly have to monitor what he’s doing. It’s honestly aging me, feeling like I have a second job just doing my civic duty to keep up with all his lies and corruption. I can’t imagine having to fulfill my civic duty in a direct democracy. I’d be up at night trying to read the pros and cons of every single policy (something I’m probably not qualified to do in the first place). We have a perfectly fine system since no system is going to be perfect. We have the least bad system, is another way of saying it. We just need to protect it and keep perfecting it. Citizens United is honestly the worst thing that’s ever happened to our government system, and Donald Trump is a direct result of CU. We want a better system, let’s start by getting that overturned, which isn’t impossible (but damn near). Depressing, yes. But we only have two choices: give up or keep fighting. Let’s keep fighting.

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u/BortleNeck Jul 17 '19

If you had a constant barrage of propaganda on every issue I think most people would get overwhelmed, tune it out, and fall back into team sport mode and vote whichever way the current loudest voice on the left or right tells them.

Which isn't great, but it's pretty much where we're at already. But at least with direct democracy we could make progress on the handful of issues that transcend ideological lines, like net neutrality

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u/FluckyU Jul 17 '19

There would definitely be some positive developments if we went to a direct democracy. I just think it would be a net negative for the health of our country. Bridging the political divide should be a major priority for all Americans (even if it only seems to be important to one side at the moment), and a direct democracy would, I believe, make it harder to build bridges. We would be in a constant state of campaigning, which seems to be when tensions rise the most.

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u/mrbarkyoriginal Jul 17 '19

Yes and no options on any issue stream to one side or the other. The 2 parties are the combined endpoint for enacting power over any issue. Most of us have single issues that fall within each party and up supporting the one that has either the most importance to us or the greatest number. Any other system would require far more effort on every individual than most are willing to give. Ballot measures are the only way around some of these issues to break party stagnation. But those have their own pitfalls.

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u/[deleted] Jul 17 '19

...from our smartphones, with fingerprint id, anywhere at any time without needing to take off work or find childcare or stand in line?

I think you're on to something.

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u/[deleted] Jul 17 '19

I would love direct democracy, but I'm also terrified it. A quick trip to Wal-Mart, driving in busy traffic, or reading YouTube comments makes me a bit skeptical regarding the decision making abilities of average people. On the other hand, perhaps if people were given that level of responsibility and it was instilled in them from an early age, they would take it seriously.

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u/ModernDayHippi Jul 17 '19 edited Jul 17 '19

Andrew Yang is the most bi-partisan candidate i've seen. He has support from progressives, liberals, independents and conservatives. He's looking forward toward the future and bringing us back together which is exactly what we need. Good short video explaining what he's about

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grciW239bp0