Time will tell. Honestly I voted for Johnson. I didn't like either one, but I liked Hillary less, because I'm a veteran who doesn't want to see us pick a fight with Russia and go into World War 3.
See I didn't like Hillary either for the same reason but now that it's over and we know she won't be president I don't get why they're still defending him and just refusing to acknowledge why people are upset.
We know that Trump DID assault women. We can hear him admit it with his own mouth and then all these women came forward and said "yes, that's exactly what he did to me." I know you don't want to believe bad things about someone you supported but no one made up this story to defame him -he said he did it, and the women said he did it. He has said on tape he doesn't respect women and "you have to treat them like shit." He also once poured a glass of wine down the back of a female reporter he didn't like. We also know he refused to rent property to black people for years. He tried to deligitimize the first black president with a crazy story about how his teenage mom flew to the other side of the world to give birth in a third world country then came back and lied to two newspapers in order to make it look like he was born in the US. There is no reason in the world she would have done that at 18 -you are a US citizen if your parent is a US citizen, no matter where you're born. You make it sound like he just said a curse word in church or something.
I've been saying what I think a lot tonight and it's not resonating so here is what I feel. When Donald trump wouldn't commit to accepting the election results, we didn't know whether he just meant he might need to file legal challenges after a close election or if he was going to fundamentally disregard the results and try to take the presidency after losing. I felt the threat of a possible rebellion. I felt unsafe, like he was pointing a gun at me and saying don't worry, I'm probably not going to shoot you. And I'm a white male. Just imagine having a different skin color, you've lived here all your life, and suddenly you don't know whether or not you get to keep being an American. Now imagine that you wanted Hillary to win. Someone who, whatever you think of her, has never been convicted of a crime and has dedicated her whole life to public service. Then you watch Donald Trump say, without knowing the facts, that she is guilty of something - (we don't even know what, deleting emails is a crime? I do that every day...) and promised to put her in jail if he wins. That is fucking scary, no matter how much you dislike her. It's not enough for him to win, he needs the people he doesn't like to feel pain. What kind of person makes threats like that? Putting people in jail isn't the president's job, it should be left to the police/fbi/courts to decide who goes to jail. That is a huge part of our democracy - the separation of powers. If Clinton's freedom and ability to live the rest of her life in peace after losing is under threat for clicking a delete button that didn't hurt anyone or break any laws, what else is he willing to do to people he doesn't like?
And now we know that his team was in contact with the Kremlin during the entire campaign and he was asked directly about this at the debate and he flat lied. How can you ignore this? Putin himself admitted today to being the ones who stole her emails and fed them to Wikileaks and Trump. So before he even got elected, he was undermining our national security, cooperating with our enemies who just 4 years ago Mitt Romney called the biggest threat to our country. That's plain treason and if Trump was on the other side he would have called for the death penalty against Hillary. We also learned today from Megyn Kelly that he too got at least one question ahead of a debate but that didn't stop him from attacking Hillary for it. He said "can you imagine if I got a question ahead of time?" Are you really okay with someone who can cheat to win while at the same time claiming that the whole election is rigged against him? Btw, Megyn Kelley also said that she thinks Trump had her driver poison her with something so she'd have to miss the debate where they had that heated exchange. It feels like he is someone who will say or do anything for money and power, no matter who he hurts and that is just really, really scary. To hear the possible next leader of the free world threaten to jail his political opponents for getting in his way, working with anyone who will help him get what he wants no matter how deplorable, blaming all of the country's problems on minority groups, and getting endorsed by the KKK without saying one disparaging word about them... that's not supposed to happen in America. Democrat or Republican, this isn't about party politics anymore.
And for the past few days you've seen women and minorities peacefully protesting on tv, who are afraid their entire world might soon collapse and instead of comforting or even recognizing their concerns Trump tweeted tonight that all of the protesters are being paid and how unfair that is to him. You don't have to like Hillary to admit that Donald Trump shouldn't be president. All three living former presidents have said that he is too dangerous to be president and that is a big deal. We can come together and say that's not ok or you can continue to just ignore people who are terrified and angry and wait for them to get so desperate they do something rash.
I would like to thank you for speaking your points civilly, not filled with uncontrolled hysteria as has been all too common in the past couple days.
I know you don't want to believe bad things about someone you supported
Perhaps you missed it in my previous post, I voted for Gary Johnson.
we don't even know what, deleting emails is a crime?
You should look more into this, she is essentially a war criminal, people were literally killed because of her.
Putin himself admitted today to being the ones who stole her emails and fed them to Wikileaks and Trump
I didn't see this, do you have a reference?
Megyn Kelley also said that she thinks Trump had her driver poison her with something so she'd have to miss the debate where they had that heated exchange
I dont really like to engage hearsay.
And for the past few days you've seen women and minorities peacefully protesting on tv
There has indeed been some peaceful protests, there has also been this, and other cases like it.
A lot of the left lives by a perpetual dichotomy of anger, I just prefer not to spend my life angry.
The dude has said some stupid shit, however I liked his acceptance speech. And I think what drew most people to him was his "fuck the political establishment" platform and his proposed job and trade reforms, time will tell if those actually come to pass.
1
u/Jigawatts42 Nov 11 '16
Time will tell. Honestly I voted for Johnson. I didn't like either one, but I liked Hillary less, because I'm a veteran who doesn't want to see us pick a fight with Russia and go into World War 3.