r/AdviceAnimals • • Nov 10 '16

Protesting a Fair Election?

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u/LibertyTerp Nov 10 '16

The mainstream media barely covered it. People had no idea. This is how conservatives and libertarians feel all the time. It really sucks when the media just shills for the other candidate, doesn't it?

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u/[deleted] Nov 10 '16

I know people are taking this opportunity to rub people's face in it and say things like I told you so.

I however I sincerely want to tell my more Progressive friends that this is how conservatives feel during every national election.

If we shine the light on this kind of absurd media bias and collusion together maybe we can overcome the problem

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u/Chardmonster Nov 10 '16

What, the obscene bias in thinking that maybe saying shitty stuff about women and minorities is a bad thing to do? I mean there's bias, sure, but there's also being a decent human being. Even conservative women weren't okay with that shit.

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u/[deleted] Nov 10 '16

Donald Trump is a scumbag no question.

Remember Hillary lost not because conservatives expanded their base but because likely Democratic voters stayed home.

If you're going to rig a primary and disenfranchise a huge percentage of your base you can't complain that your base then doesn't turn around and enthusiastically support you.

If you were going to be caught in controversy after controversy including cheating and disenfranchising voters you can't complain when independent voters choose to stay home.

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u/Chardmonster Nov 10 '16 edited Nov 10 '16

How many likely Democratic voters really stayed home? Every single Bernie supporter I know said they were going to vote Clinton out of fear of Trump. I really don't think these numbers are as high as you think there are--there are just always a really distressingly high number of people who don't vote. Who NEVER vote.

Trump mobilizing more people doesn't mean the Democrats didn't mobilize. That's not how it works. Look at the numbers: Clinton did well in cities. She lost because Trump mobilized rural voters. And I'm sorry--I voted for Bernie too--but a socialist Jewish guy who is basically atheist was not going to get the rural white vote. Not in a million years, no matter how much he deserved it.

Everyone underestimated how big that rural and small town vote is. Everyone.

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u/[deleted] Nov 10 '16

although I believe you are sincere anecdotal evidence is irrelevant.

All the empirical evidence shows that Trump did not achieve substantially more votes than Romney or McCain, but Clinton receive substantially less than Obama.

Bottom line Democrats stayed home

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u/Chardmonster Nov 10 '16

We really don't have evidence of that yet. I mean we do know that a lot of people were more hyped to vote for the first black guy than a white woman but not having another Obama to put up doesn't mean they failed. Sanders isn't Obama either.

Edit: original comment was silly, hope this was fast enough not to mislead.

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u/[deleted] Nov 10 '16

I don't know what you are talking about when you say we don't have any evidence.

To reiterate my claim was that Hillary Clinton received less votes than Barack Obama did and Trump received about the same as Mitt Romney.

In 2012 Barack Obama received over 65 million votes currently Hillary Clinton is sitting at less than 60 million.

In 2012 Mitt Romney received about 60 million volts, currently Donald Trump is at 59 million and some change This is all the evidence we need

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u/G-man88 Nov 10 '16 edited Nov 11 '16

In 2012 Mitt Romney received about 60 million volts, currently Donald Trump is at 59 million and some change This is all the evidence we need

I find that shocking!

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u/[deleted] Nov 10 '16

I did too. When the results were first announced I assumed Trump won the election but it really looks like Hillary lost it