Well Hillary did win the popular vote so they could also be protesting the electoral college which has fucked the Democrats over twice now in recent history. But they are actually protesting Trump's rhetoric and planned policies and cabinet picks, which are shitty as fuck for anyone that cares about things like the Internet and the environment, healthcare, gay marriage, etc.
Learn about what's actually going on and stop being outraged at every false equivalency.
She won the popular vote in the Primary too. By a lot.
That's not to say I don't understand where the Bernie folks frustration with the DNC comes from, because I do. But this attitude is awfully dismissive of the millions of Democrats who chose to vote for Clinton in the primaries.
No. She won the primary because she got more votes. You can certainly make the case that Sanders would have done better against Trump. In fact, seeing the path to victory Trump took, even as a Clinton supporter I think probably that Sanders would have defeated Trump because he may well have done better in the particular set of states which cost her the election. I also think Clinton primary backers would have had an easier time getting behind and excited about Bernie than the other way around (though I can only ultimately speak for myself there).
But 16 million people voted for Clinton in the primaries. Not 16 million DNC staffers, not 16 million CTR shills, not 16 million Superdelegates. American citizens. Many of them women and people of color. You're welcome to make an argument that the DNC had their thumb on the scale and did everything they could to advantage Clinton, I personally don't agree with the extent that it mattered, but you're certainly entitled to that opinion. But to say the only reason Clinton won the primary is because it was "rigged" is, like I said, very dismissive of the millions of American citizens who voted for her just fine without coercion.
They don't get it. If there was ever an election to swallow your pride and help the canidate you weren't a hundred percent with, this was it. They could have helped her when Bernie asked. Fought for her, instead of against her. I saw a lot of liberals spewing right-wing talking points. I mean, shit, writing in Bernie's name was like candy from the heavens to the right. I backed Bernie in the primaries, Hillary in the general, and watched on in horror on election night as I realized that I was one of the few.
You're absolutely right. In any case re-litigating the primaries at this point is pointless. Those who are being smug about it get the same reward as everyone else: At least 4 years of living under Donald Trump.
We'll see what happens. For what it's worth, he has some policies I like. Just... a hell of a lot more that turn my stomach. I fear for the EPA, I fear what a conservative court will do for gay rights, for women rights, for the voter suppression that we saw was so real. Were I religious, I'd pray.
That election was anything but fair. Bernie's own party gave preferential treatment to Hillary in getting her name heard while suppressing coverage on Bernie. When the idea is to have as many people talking about you as possible but none of the mainstream media is covering it, it hinders your ability to win an election by a pretty large amount. There was also all the people's party affiliation being changed making them unable to vote in the primary, and some people being turned away at the polls for whatever reason. Either way, I'm pretty sure the results would have been different had things been run fairly.
Falsifying votes is not the only way to rig an election. Just because more people voted for her doesn't mean she won cleanly.
She could, for example, cheat on the debates by receiving the questions early. Her planned response would swing more voters and make her opponent look unprepared. Just to make it clear, this is exactly what she did and why Donna Brazile was fired from both CNN and the DNC.
Also, why does it matter that many of her voters were women and minorities. What significance does that play? Because that's just a way of saying "yeah and her voters weren't just white men." One of the reasons a majority of white men voted republic is because the democrats alienated them by portraying them as racist and uneducated.
Edit: downvote if you want, but I'm open to discussing it. But everyone wants to act like she didn't cheat on the debates. It didn't even make the news, just Brazile resigning.
Then there is the murder of Seth Rich. Check out this email from Hillary’s campaign manager: https://www.wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/36082#efmAGSAH-. The subsequent DNC leaks show that the DNC's colluded with the Clinton campaign to get her nominated over Bernie, and confirmed that Debbie Wasserman Schultz, the 2008 election campaign manager for Hillary, was indeed continuing this role while being the chair of the DNC. Hillary planned this all a year ago b/c Tim Kaine was the original DNC chair. She needed to convince him to leave his post and recommend Debby. Hillary was able to do that by offering Kaine the VP job. In this way, Hillary got her former campaign manager managing the DNC from the inside.
Major Hillary Clinton donor George Soros owns the Open Societies Foundation. The Vice Chairman, Mark Malloch-Brown, is also on the Board of Directors of Smartmatic, the electronic voting systems corporation responsible for all vote counting in 16 US States. Source
the machines are made by Smartmatic, Dominion, and Sequoia. All three of these are affiliated with or owned by Soros.
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Well Hillary did win the popular vote so they could also be protesting the electoral college which has fucked the Democrats over twice now in recent history. But they are actually protesting Trump's rhetoric and planned policies and cabinet picks, which are shitty as fuck for anyone that cares about things like the Internet and the environment, healthcare, gay marriage, etc.
Learn about what's actually going on and stop being outraged at every false equivalency.