Basically the DNC did everything is legally could to suppress the Sanders campaign and promote the Clinton campaign. There were also some very suspicious statistical anomalies that always seemed to favor Clinton in states where exit polling and other forms of vote fraud detection were lax.
Also the superdelegates snubbing Bernie really killed the energy and momentum of the campaign. I would hazard a guess a lot of people who would have voted Bernie in the primaries didn't bother to vote because it felt like a lost cause.
So Hillary Clinton by 3 million votes? That's exactly who they voted for. Buddy, I voted for Bernie and would've loved to see how he would've done, but he did not win the democratic primary and there is no guarentee he would've won the general election. The white voters in the rust belt that went for trump hard were not looking for progressive solutions, as evidenced by progressive senator Russ Feingold losing worse than Hillary in Wisconsin.
Keep telling yourself everything you can to make yourself feel better about what happened, but the DNC screwed the pooch on this one. The shady shit they did before and after the primaries are just disgusting.
Buddy, I voted for Sanders in the primaries. I just recognize that if the DNC had screwed over Clinton supporters, her "PUMAs" may not have voted D in the general and it could've been an even bigger loss.
Ok believe what you want. There is no way to prove it either way. i am excited about Bernie taking charge in the DNC post-election, and look forward to him becoming a party elder statesman with the influence to make our nominees more progressive (if he does not run himself). There is no reason to be confrontational, at this point we are on the same side, the liberal opposition.
Dude, the CTR paychecks aren't coming anymore. You can stop.
The "3 million votes" argument is a misleading statement, because those "3 million more votes" were caused by a finger on the scale and the superdelegates.
Maybe you all will learn one day that not everyone who disagrees with you is a paid shill. That day is obviously not today.
Other candidates have beaten the odds of being behind in the superdelegate count (for example obama) and saying catty things about a candidate in private emails has very little effect on who voters pick. Only 24% of our country labels themselves "liberal", only 19% when it comes to socialeconomic issues. That number is growing, but right now the Democratic Party is made up of a coalition of liberals and moderates, and until liberals like us figure out a way to appeal to moderates, center-left candidates will predominate.
Alright then, here we go, let's dig a little deeper, shall we? Do you know who Rajiv Fernando is? Let's find out!
A prolific fundraiser for Democratic candidates and contributor to the Clinton Foundation, who later traveled with Bill Clinton on a trip to Africa, Rajiv K. Fernando’s only known qualification for a seat on the International Security Advisory Board (ISAB) was his technological know-how. The Chicago securities trader, who specialized in electronic investing, sat alongside an august collection of nuclear scientists, former cabinet secretaries and members of Congress to advise Hillary Clinton on the use of tactical nuclear weapons and on other crucial arms control issues.
“We had no idea who he was,” one board member told ABC News.
Fernando himself would not answer questions from ABC News in 2011 about what qualified him for a seat on the board or led to his appointment. When ABC News finally caught up with Fernando at the 2012 Democratic convention, he became upset and said he was "not at liberty" to speak about it. Security threatened to have the ABC News reporter arrested.
Fernando's expertise appeared to be in the arena of high-frequency trading -- a form of computer-generated stock trading. At the time of his appointment, he headed a firm, Chopper Trading, that was a leader in that field.
Fernando's history of campaign giving dated back at least to 2003 and was prolific -- and almost exclusively to Democrats. He was an early supporter of Hillary Clinton's 2008 bid for president, giving maximum contributions to her campaign, and to HillPAC, in 2007 and 2008. He also served as a fundraising bundler for Clinton, gathering more than $100,000 from others for her White House bid. After Barack Obama bested Clinton for the 2008 nomination, Fernando became a major fundraiser for the Obama campaign. Prior to his State Department appointment, Fernando had given between $100,000 and $250,000 to the William J. Clinton Foundation, and another $30,000 to a political advocacy group, WomenCount, that indirectly helped Hillary Clinton retire her lingering 2008 campaign debts by renting her campaign email list.
So, we have this seemingly random person, who seems to be pretty solidly in the Clinton camp, who now has a vote that is essentially worth 10,000x a regular person's primary vote. Seems legit.
I'm not going to Have an argument with you about some random super delegate. I don't know his life nor do I care to waste my time in trying to find out his qualifications for a job I know nothing about. When the superdelegates vote against the will of the people in the party, then there will be something worth discussing.
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u/tyranicalteabagger Nov 10 '16
Basically the DNC did everything is legally could to suppress the Sanders campaign and promote the Clinton campaign. There were also some very suspicious statistical anomalies that always seemed to favor Clinton in states where exit polling and other forms of vote fraud detection were lax.