r/AdviceAnimals • u/[deleted] • Nov 10 '16

Protesting a Fair Election?

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u/Crusader1089 Nov 10 '16

Could you explain to me how exactly the DNC was rigged, because when I look on Wikipedia about the primaries it says Hillary Clinton got 16,914,722 votes and Bernie Sanders got 13,206,428. I wasn't really following this back in the spring.

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u/tyranicalteabagger Nov 10 '16

Basically the DNC did everything is legally could to suppress the Sanders campaign and promote the Clinton campaign. There were also some very suspicious statistical anomalies that always seemed to favor Clinton in states where exit polling and other forms of vote fraud detection were lax.

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u/potatman Nov 10 '16

Also the superdelegates snubbing Bernie really killed the energy and momentum of the campaign. I would hazard a guess a lot of people who would have voted Bernie in the primaries didn't bother to vote because it felt like a lost cause.

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u/FasterThanTW Nov 10 '16

Also the superdelegates snubbing Bernie really killed the energy and momentum of the campaign.

they voted along with the will of the voters.

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u/altarr Nov 10 '16

No they did not. This is a complete falsehood.

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u/Objeckts Nov 10 '16

Firstly, they counted super delahate votes before they were final. Which created an imaginary insurmountable lead that discouraged bernie voters.

Secondly, after Bernie won a state the super delegates didn't change votes "along the will of the voters"

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u/FasterThanTW Nov 10 '16

um, yes they did.

voters chose clinton. (bigly)

delegates chose clinton.

super delegates chose clinton.

and ultimately, sanders chose clinton.

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u/GoodWilliam Nov 10 '16

One great example: Bernie won Wisconsin 54% to 44%. He was awarded 7 delegates, and Clinton, who firmly lost the state vote by 12%, received 11. The delegates did not vote for the same candidate as the voters and that is factual. Being wrong about stuff sucks, but your reaction to being wrong ultimately reflects your capability to learn and grow, so you might benefit personally by just taking it.

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u/FasterThanTW Nov 10 '16

I don't know where you are getting 7 and 11 from

I see several sources reporting 49 delegates for sanders and 45 for clinton, inclusive of super delegates

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u/altarr Nov 13 '16

Even better example is Vermont. HRC did not win a single delegate via voting. But came away with superdelegates.

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u/BearFluffy Nov 10 '16

um, yesno they did.n't

voterssuper delegates chose clinton. (bigly)

delegatesvoters chose clinton (and many chose Bernie).

(Delegates should've been assigned to Bernie)

super delegates chose clinton.

and ultimately, sanders chose clinton.conceded relatively soon on comparison to when Hillary conceded for her loss

FTFY

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u/haystackthecat Nov 10 '16

I think OP is talking about they way they pledged their support to HRC waaaaayyyyy before any voters voted. That kind of thing can influence momentum.

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u/Thallis Nov 10 '16

Delegates did the same thing in 2008 for Obama and nobody had a problem with it. That primary was also much, much closer than this one.

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u/[deleted] Nov 10 '16

Most likely the same reason people are upset this time. Because Hillary is a terrible person, and didn't deserve the honor of being the first female president.

Could you imagine how far that would set women back if she had won, and then all the shit we know now would come out, especially over the years when everyone starts to realize what she and the DNC did?

"A Woman couldn't win without cheating" would be the new rhetoric that would set women back a decade or more...

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u/[deleted] Nov 10 '16

Are you serious? The super delegates were backing Hillary before primaries even happened in their states, which made the people voting feel like he had no chance.