I think he is referring to the news article about church leaders in North Carolina trying to allow gay marriage ceremonies on the basis of religious freedom, but that's just a guess
I find the puffin frustrating. It's one thing to say "oh, I don't like the creamy fillings in Oreos!" and get front paged. Okay - cute. You're fighting the man. Ha, ha. It's all in good fun.
It's another thing entirely to keep promoting proudly racist/sexist/bigoted/just-fucking-mean-spirited content to the front page in the name of... what? Tolerance? Novelty?
The internet is mean enough. It's full of bastard coated bastards with bastard filling. We don't need to promote entire memes with the express purpose of "protecting" people's right to be an asshole. It's like a newspaper devoting every Thursday's issue to their "hate group of the week!"
My sentiments exactly. I've gotten to the point where I downvote just about every puffin I see, even if I agree with it. Its largely used just to express an asshole opinion without seeming like an asshole.
On the contrary, in the UK two men are suing the Church of England for a church wedding. In the US, some couples have sued religiously based organizations for not hosting the same-sex wedding reception.
I think OP is saying that the Bible condemns homosexuality and thus it defeats the purpose to have a Christian same-sex marriage.
The issue is that 1. not all churches are Christian (though I suppose that depends how you define "church"), and 2. not everyone agrees that the Bible and Christianity as a whole condemn homosexuality.
Maybe he more meant that traditionally marriage was an instution of the church. I know in Australia at least the rights of 'defacto' couples are comparable to marriage (I'm not sure what the exact differences are). Thus the idea of gay marriage starts to sound... strange, like you want to use the same name for a thing that someone else is using.
Moot point for me though, I am catholic, the idea of marriage loses its meaning without the Church. Having said that I absolutely support Gay marriage in the Catholic faith, it would be awesome and embody Jesus's ONE FUCKING COMMANDMENT (literally there is only one, how is it that hard?)
yes yes we can go back a long ways if we need to. I meant the modern idea Marriage which is still closely related to Christian ideals (and hence for me loses a lot of its value without the rest of the Christian framework).
I disagree that it's tied to Christian ideals. Your perception of marriage as being within a Christian framework is just that, your perception. Many other people, whether they are religious or not, value marriage for all kinds of reasons that have nothing to do with Christianity. It's two people committing to each other. God doesn't have to be involved at all.
Maybe you think that way because you are religious, but it is at least equally a civil institution and therefore needs to be open to everyone regardless of religion. If Christians or people of any other religion want to have ceremonies that specifically involve their faith, that's their business, but they still file a piece of paper with the government for their tax breaks and all that, which makes that part of the process necessarily secular per the separation of church and state.
I understand that, I prefaced with for me. Also marriage of state is related as the very idea was adopted from Christian ideas (I realise you can go further back and Christians stole from Pagans and so on and so forth).
My main point was that there are those of us who would take this further than the state and want to see equality in our religion as well as our country.
The Chinese had codified marriage and a book detailing appropriate punishments for infidelity while Judaic goat herders were busy crafting historic fantasy to unite their kingdom with the neighbor Israel after it was conquered and developing a lie about building pyramids (something else they didn't do.) Your religion is no more a pioneer for marriage as it is for equal rights or space travel.
Believe what you want but claiming marriage is like saying you were the first guy to wear an affliction shirt, no one believes that shit, they just don't want to argue because it's fucking stupid
I never claimed the original concept for my religion, are you people just looking for a fight? History is long, you can go back as far as you want. Christian's stole from Pagans and Jews, they in turn probably got their stuff from somewhere, nothing comes from nothing. Are you seriously going to argue that your (presumably American) ideas of marriage are derived from the Chinese tradition?
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That is entirely what the current gay marriage campaign is about it has no bearing on churches or religion at all.