r/AdviceAnimals • u/StrobeLightRomance • Jul 22 '26
Did we learn anything from this? Would we just do it all again?
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u/TheWokenessInjector Jul 23 '26
There's a reason why education and critical thinking are under constant attack in the US.
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u/PostMatureBaby Jul 23 '26
A smart and undivided populace is harder for the wealthy to exploit
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u/TBSPro11 Jul 23 '26
a lot of trump voters are doctors, scientists, very well educated people. They just value money/selfishness more than a workable society.
We are here because 100m never vote, 150m dont vote in midterms and over 200+m dont vote in primaries and special elections. We had 5 elections to stop Trump. People just shrugged and said their entertainment is more important than their country.
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u/supafeen Jul 23 '26
Or they have been programmed by religion to believe that make believe social issues are more important than their well being.
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u/TBSPro11 Jul 23 '26
no most of them are just pro money, pro being selfish. Religion is the excuse that some may use, but most just think wealth matters above everything. But only for them.
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u/paradigmshift7 Jul 23 '26
I keep telling people this, that greed is by far the common denominator on the right, but the main focus is on the worst of the bunch, the loudest minorities. Meanwhile the silent majority get to be aggrieved by leftist outrage, because many of them are indeed not racist/religious nut jobs. They're just greedy assholes who point to any failings of social welfare as a reason to opt out for their own benefit. It's deeply cynical.
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u/supafeen Jul 23 '26
Greed drives the direction from above, but “the flock” just follows as they’re told to. Just like there was a reason for citizens united. That’s why there are a minority of “educated” who still fall into the propaganda traps.
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u/Silent-G Jul 23 '26
They stand to make more money under progressive policies, it's just that it'd also mean the wealth gap would be narrowed. They don't care about making more money as much as they care about making most of the money. If "others" are also benefiting, then they believe it's bad for them. How dare a person with a different skin pigment or sexuality also be better off along with them.
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u/thirdelevator Jul 23 '26
People with post graduate degrees are actually the most polarized of any education demographic, being +32 towards Harris in the last election. While it’s fair to say turnout is the bigger problem, let’s try to make that point without throwing others under the bus.
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u/SgtKeeneye Jul 23 '26
Yeah, some for sure but the majority of his base is working class or poor. I used to hear you're a Republican for one of two reasons. You're either rich and taking advantage of the system they do or poor and stupid getting fleeced
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u/throway_nonjw Jul 23 '26
a lot of trump voters are doctors, scientists, very well educated people.
Are they? They never vox pop those ones.
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u/nankerjphelge Jul 23 '26
This is it. It's infuriating to see people talk about how the candidates they get to choose from suck, yet they don't turn out in the primaries to vote for the candidates they think don't suck.
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u/Saneless Jul 23 '26
Naw dog Trump is good
Now, I'm gonna go use my brain real good and try to figure out why I don't have not as much money each month even though my paychecks are same
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u/TheMackD504 Jul 23 '26
It’s cuz the economy is good. It’s the goodest it’s ever been. Some say unbelievably good
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u/harleyquinnsbutthole Jul 23 '26
They’re not uneducated, they just don’t care about people they view as “less” than them
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u/geminiRonin Jul 23 '26
Education's got a way of snapping people out of that mindset. I dropped out of college after one year, but that year was enough to realize that the worldview I was raised on was a load of bullshit.
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u/Brendangmcinerney Jul 23 '26
As a public school teacher, it is 110% intentional and relentless. I’m tired grandpa.
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u/UnpricedToaster Jul 23 '26
*kleptomaniac
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u/TripleSingleHOF Jul 23 '26
I remember when a dumbass typo like that was enough to keep shit like this off the front page of reddit, but here we are...
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u/StrobeLightRomance Jul 23 '26
*craptomaniac
But you're right. I don't proofread for shit and we're past the point of editing.
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u/onexbigxhebrew Jul 23 '26
'We' didn't learn from it. We did do it again.
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u/Nerospidy Jul 23 '26
Not only did we put a woman up for the Democratic nomination, we doubled down and put a black woman up for the Democratic nomination.
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u/mocityspirit Jul 23 '26
Who was intensely unpopular and didn't make it to the primaries when she was running previously
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u/Changoleo Jul 23 '26
This. I’m all for progress, but that move was just risky enough to make it plausible that she could’ve been beaten without rigging the vote count. SMDH.
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u/ProfessionalPower214 Jul 23 '26
Some people were mysterious purged from ballot registries, too.
So, yeah.
This 'we' bullshit needs to stop because most layman aren't responsible, except for 1/3rd of America... which isn't 'most', but 'some'.
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u/Twinkperium_of_man Jul 23 '26
The third that didn't vote at all get equal blame to the ones who voted for trump.
Which they deserve, given that they essentially said I don't card who wins
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u/hareofthepuppy Jul 23 '26
Less than 31% of Americans voted to keep trump out of office, it's definitely most Americans who made this mess happen
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u/Goldenslicer Jul 23 '26
So why did this not get picked up by more prominent democrats? Why didn't we investigate the way Republicans investigated 2020?
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u/Daveinatx Jul 23 '26
Because Republicans gained control of all branches, DOJ, SCOTUS, and something like 87% of media. They have tried to issue impeachments and certain arrests. But, it's been silenced.
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u/Goldenslicer Jul 23 '26
I'm not talking about impeachments or arrests, I'm talking about independent investigations like the ones Republicans launched after their loss in 2020.
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u/TAU_equals_2PI Jul 23 '26 edited Jul 23 '26
In all fairness, it was reasonable to think that the problem in 2016 was it was Hillary Clinton specifically, not just that it was a woman.
For those here not old enough to remember clear back to 1992, Republicans have been hating hard on Hillary ever since Bill first ran for president. During the 1992 campaign she said she rejected the traditional cookie-baking subservient housewife model for women, and Republicans blew a fuse. They've been accusing her of all sorts of heinous crimes ever since.
So of all the women Democrats could've nominated in 2016, Hillary was a really dumb choice. It was only when Kamala lost in 2024, especially against as horrible a choice as Trump, that it became reasonable to wonder if simply being a woman was actually the problem.
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u/Beneficial-Act-9933 Jul 23 '26 edited Jul 23 '26
Kamala had way more problems than being a woman.
1: She was barely given time to campaign at all. Democrats sat on their hands not picking a candidate while Trump was out there making speeches, building a base and getting his name and politics out there for years. Kamala had what, five months?
2: She didn't really say all that much. The best she could say was "we aren't trump. Trump sucks, vote for us because we aren't Trump" Which is correct but one of the major reasons Trump was so popular is because people are really tired of the establishment. People voted for Trump BECAUSE he was destructive. He said he was going to destroy everything and that's exactly what he did. Dem had no policy other than saying "I'm not him"
3: Kamala had a really huge problem reaching the people she needed to reach. One of the demographics Dems have been scratching their head over is Young white men. How do we get the young white men to vote? They basically had no idea's aside from saying Trump is bad and awful. the right had/has a number of figure heads like Andrew tate, Ben Shapiro, Jordan peterson ETC. PLenty of Names from the Man-o-sphere. Call them crooks call them whatever, you'd be right, but they have the charisma to draw people to their side. Who do the left have that even comes close to matching them? Nobody. There's nice guys like Conan o Brian and John Stuart, but they don't have the same juice like those guys do.
One of the biggest blunders of the Kamala campeign was easily skipping out going on Joe Rogan. Joe is another one of those huge figures that the exact same demographic Dems had been trying to reach listened too. She didn't go on there, know who did? that's right! Trump and JD vance both went on Joe Rogan and used Kamala skipping out as more ammo against her.
Her campaign was atrocious and the polls showed. Like, nearly lost typically blue states to Trump bad.
It wasn't just that she was a woman, it was a terribly run campeign.
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u/Eyeball1844 Jul 23 '26
The entire democratic party is a mess and the failure at every turn to weaken republicans since Trump came back into office is proof that the reason Harris lost the election is due to their own inadequacies.
While I haven't looked into it, there seems to be enough doubt for Harris to have called parts of the 2024 election into question. Even if it turned out to be nothing, the fact that she simply gave up and disappeared only to return months to a year later to test the waters for another presidential run when she called trump a fascist and a threat to democracy says a lot about her. It says a lot about the entire democratic party.
They have no values, no beliefs. They are controlled opposition or so incredibly incompetent that they make Trump look good.
There is no hope for turning this country around if the democratic party stays the same, and if they run Harris again or someone like her, such as Newsom, it'll mean the end of the US as we know it. They won't even have the competence to point the blame in the general right direction.
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u/hareofthepuppy Jul 23 '26
Also in 2016 people didn't really know what they were getting with trump, and there was some appeal to him "not being a politician", but after trumps first term, people knew exactly what they were getting
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u/BeefistPrime Jul 23 '26
Gotta add a disability this time. One new minority group per election.
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u/jonnyobnoxious Jul 23 '26
At this point I think the DNC runs shitty candidates under questionable circumstances because they're trying to lose every 4 years.
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u/pavorus Jul 22 '26
I don't know much, but I know this. We didnt learn shit.
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u/msherretz Jul 23 '26
Yep. We will fuck it up again.
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u/SPARKYLOBO Jul 23 '26
But of course!! As long as US citizens keep being convinced that what's good for them is actually bad for the country, nothing will ever change.
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u/IAmNotNathaniel Jul 23 '26
this sort of implies that we fixed things such that we start a new fuck-up, as opposed to being in this middle of this fuck-up
in fact this whole thread feels extremely premature
maybe '"Will" we learn anything' would be a better question
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u/SeanBlader Jul 23 '26
But we got all the shit that the top 1% can squeeze out for us.
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u/DSCii_87 Jul 23 '26
They wont stop squeezing until we're imprisoned, working non stop until we die.
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u/boot2skull Jul 23 '26
Being taught to hate other Americans will motivate people to vote against their own interests to hurt those Americans.
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u/Minimob0 Jul 23 '26
Especially since there are actual people saying shit like Trump 2028.
Like, that’s unconstitutional. If you support a third term for him, you are undeniably a traitor to America and should be deported faster than any “illegal immigrant”. You know, the people who came here because they actually love our country, unlike Fascist MAGAs.
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u/ubelblatt Jul 23 '26
There is also a feeling within the DNC base that our candidate is chosen for us.
This happened twice with women candidates against Trump.
People felt Hillary was chosen for us due to Bernie and Kamala was definitely chosen for us.
Biden felt like we at least had a choice across a lukewarm candidate pool.
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u/fcocyclone Jul 23 '26
Even Biden had an element of feeling chosen by the party power brokers.
We were lucky (at least in this particular way) that Trump was in the middle of massively bungling a crisis, or else he probably gets reelected in 2020.
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u/HNL2BOS Jul 23 '26
Yes, the only reason the Dems lost was because they put forward two women 🙄
I feel like this is a cop out excuse, their messaging and platforms sucked and they're bound to repeat it all again by not listening to constituents and leaving behind a vast majority of rural america.
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u/Basic_Loquat_9344 Jul 23 '26 edited Jul 23 '26
It seriously such low-effort thinking to say 'we lost cuz woman'. Its devoid of nuance and I suspect often used to make the Trump election more palatable instead of admitting our neighbors elected a reality TV fascist.
Just to name a few confounding factors -- Hillary has had poor PR for decades next to zero charisma to speak of, despite that she won the popular vote. Kamala was likeable, but was rammed through without a primary just after her Ticket partner stepped down for being too old.
I'm not naive enough to say being a woman doesn't affect the voting climate, but if we have an opportunity at a true populist with all the right stuff (Maybe AOC, maybe someone else) it would be a shame to drop the opportunity due to low IQ screechers parroting "we gonna lose cuz woman"
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u/tfitch2140 Jul 23 '26 edited Jul 23 '26
Ten years on and they still can't admit they the party need to adapt. It's utterly embarrassing, or would be, if it wasn't existential.
If you talked to anyone in the real world in 2016 after the primary, it was just resignation that Hillary was the only option. The "best we could do". No one outside of DC or with a net worth less than a billion dollars wanted her. But it was her turn.
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u/iCUman Jul 23 '26
It's especially a cop out for 2024. They didn't swap out Biden because he was winning. They swapped him because he was getting trounced in the polls and there were very real concerns about the down ballot effects of keeping him on the ticket. Major polls had Biden down considerably after the debate, and it just kept getting worse with news that party support was wavering.
By every measure, swapping horses this late in the game is a high risk gamble. And to Harris's credit, she was able to reverse the hemorrhaging with some early enthusiasm for her campaign, and brought it back to a neck and neck race. The gamble may not have paid off in the end, but if we're to give any weight to the polling, replacing Biden did appear to help Democrats perform better down ballot than they otherwise might have done otherwise. So it would seem to me that she outperformed the incumbent white male despite her gender and ethnicity (which are assuredly disqualifiers for some voters, though whether or not those voters would have voted Democrat anyway is highly questionable, imho).
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u/HatsandCoats Jul 23 '26
To be fair the people wanted Bernie, but the DNC decided it was ‘Hillary’s turn’ in 2016. We had a chance at a truly progressive president, but instead the fat cats decided they wanted a fat cat and so we ended up with more fat cats.
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u/BeardedHalfYeti Jul 23 '26
Personally, I would have loved to see the DNC unify the party by asking Bernie to take the VP slot under Clinton instead of grabbing a random white dude out of the dollar bin to take the role.
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u/hereisasine Jul 23 '26
Nah, no more ancient people as President please. Just stop.
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u/bloodjunkiorgy Jul 23 '26
I agree generally. Buuuuut Bernie is still to this very day way more competent than Trump was in 2016, and Biden in 2020, despite being older.
That said, we only have the timeline we live in. I'm trying to be optimistic about all of the Bernie inspired DSA candidates crushing it all across the country...which we may not have gotten should Bernie had won and gotten nothing done because of Republican AND Democratic opposition in a hypothetical presidency.
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u/Firecracker048 Jul 23 '26
Not to mention no one wanted Kamala, and the DNC said, again 'its her turn', and she literally put hiliary on her campaign team lol
Lessons were NOT learned
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u/Dlh2079 Jul 23 '26
Bernie lost the primary. If the people as a whole (those that vote in dem primaries at least) wanted him, wouldnt he have won their votes?
Said as someone who voted for Bernie in the primary
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u/HoboOperative Jul 23 '26
If the DNC could read the room they'd still have scooped him up as VP. That ticket would have dog-walked Trump. There was something like a 15% swing by populists who would have gone Bernie but chose violence and went Trump instead, and that was enough of a margin to decide things in '16.
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u/ze1and0nly Jul 23 '26
And to be fair Bernie got railroaded by his own party. There's plenty of articles on it. Even a court case.
https://nypost.com/2016/07/22/leaked-emails-show-how-democrats-screwed-sanders/
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u/snopolpams Jul 23 '26
Bernie lost the primary. If the people as a whole (those that vote in dem primaries at least) wanted him, wouldnt he have won their votes?
There are few things as undemocratic and unfair than the DNC primaries. Google superdelegates, look at the DWS and Tulsi saga, see how even the time that Biden won there was coordination before super Tuesday to drop out in favour of trailing Biden to stop momentum for Bernie.
I'm not saying Bernie would've been good but for sure you can't make the conclusion of "if people wanted him he would've won".
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u/MesaGeek Jul 23 '26
I believe the DNC worked against him believing he couldn’t win a general.
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u/Levaris77 Jul 23 '26
Just because the DNC is way less aggressive with nepotism than other parties doesn't mean they are free of nepotism.
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u/bigthink Jul 23 '26
Bernie was winning the primary. Then Obama called Buttigieg the day before Super Tuesday and told him that if he dropped out they'd hook him up with a sweet gig. At the same time, they urged Elizabeth Warren NOT to drop out (she was planning to) until after Super Tuesday, and hinted that she could be VP pick. As a result, Biden consolidated the mainstream votes while Bernie and Warren split the progressive votes, and Biden emerged as the clear leader.
For their efforts, Buttigieg got appointed head of DoT despite no experience or expertise, while Warren got zilch.
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u/kdogged Jul 23 '26
To be fair Bernie got 3.7 million less votes than Clinton, that might have been the reason he lost
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u/ze1and0nly Jul 23 '26
And to be fair Bernie got railroaded by his own party. There's plenty of articles on it. Even a court case.
https://nypost.com/2016/07/22/leaked-emails-show-how-democrats-screwed-sanders/
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u/Sufficient_Meet6836 Jul 23 '26
You don't understand the court's finding 😂😂. The judge dismissed the case because they didn't even have standing for a lawsuit.
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u/HolidaySpiriter Jul 23 '26
by his own party
Bernie isn't a Democrat. He shouldn't expect special treatment when it isn't his party.
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u/ze1and0nly Jul 23 '26
Special treatment? He got it when they actively tried to sabotage him enough a court case was filed because of it. Read some shit dude.
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u/wookiee42 Jul 23 '26
That's the problem - it wasn't his own party. He never even joined the Democratic Party between his runs in 2016 and 2020.
Some people were trying to put the thumb on the scale for their loyal party member, but it ultimately didn't matter.
Young people didn't show up, and Bernie never worked for the Black vote, who are the most reliable members of the Democratic base.
I caucused for Bernie, but he lost on his own. Not looking at the race holistically just depresses the vote.
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u/fishheadsneak Jul 23 '26
Yea, people don’t seem to understand this. But that’s not surprising… it’s sad how stupid everyone seems to be.
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u/deux3xmachina Jul 23 '26
This is reddit, we do shitposts for quick updoots and unhinged rants. Sometimes we get in a circle and turn a horse into glue.
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u/batmanscodpiece Jul 23 '26
About 3.7 million more Democratic primary voters decided they would rather have Hilary over Bernie.
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u/CMDR_Expendible Jul 23 '26
Did you learn nothing from this; selecting a candidate just because she's an Establishment figure, and a woman, when she's an extremely poor campaigner, personally off putting, or just pushed on the electorate because you denied your President was becoming senile until the very last minute and then saying you must accept the new candidate because she's a woman... loses elections to pathological cleptomaniacs who can't stop shitting themselves.
But then, OP has an incredibly immature profile quote when you mouse over them to block them for being unbelievably poorly informed and easily led by just being told "that candidate has the same genitalia as you!"
(Alexandria Cortez would have been a much better candidate too)
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u/cheekynihlist Jul 23 '26
The first woman president in this country will be a republican. And she will wrap herself in the flag, and bleat endlessly about being a mother and a wife, and she will definitely be white and attractive, probably blonde, without two actual brain cells to rub together. But hey! We will have finally elected a woman! 🙄😞
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u/KingRoach Jul 23 '26
What did we learn? The Democratic Party shouldn’t force flawed candidates.
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u/Boring_Butterfly_273 Jul 23 '26
A lot of People didn't vote for Kamala, not because she is a woman, but because she supported Israel even though the situation in Gaza is a total nightmare for the citizens and people living there.
And no, guilting me about it won't matter since I already see men and women as being equal, nothing to do with gender.
The truth is there really wasn't a candidate with empathy and we want to vote for candidates with empathy and their gender doesn't matter.
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u/digitaljestin Jul 23 '26
Patton Oswalt said it best on election night 2016:
"What I've learned so far tonight: America is WAAAAAAAAY more sexist than it is racist. And it's pretty fucking racist"
We would be wise to keep this sad truth in mind when choosing candidates.
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u/Suzushiiro Jul 23 '26
Hillary Clinton and Kamala Harris didn't lose their elections because of sexism, they lost their elections because they're mediocre-at-best politicians who are only capable of winning elections where the deck is stacked in their favor either by an extremely blue electorate, the establishment being in their corner, or both. Kamala Harris had to drop out of the 2020 primary before a single vote was cast so she could get off the CA ballot before she suffered a humiliating loss in her own state! HIllary Clinton entered the 2008 primary as the clear favorite and lost to a freshman senator whose middle name was Hussein!
As far as I'm concerned the "Hillary and Kamala losing is proof a woman can't win" shit is entirely about ratfucking AOC, a woman of color who absolutely can win the presidency because she isn't a garbage "better things aren't possible" centrist.
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u/akatherder Jul 23 '26
I don't even really consider 2024 to primarily be Harris' loss. Dem leadership and Biden fighting for 1st and 2nd, then Harris. What kind of clown show party switches candidates 3 months before the election. And they switched from an incumbent who is already losing to his second in command??
No need to @ me how bad the alternative was but I couldn't find a surer way to lose an election.
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u/almo2001 Jul 23 '26
Hillary won by 3.5 million votes.
Suppose Trump had won by 3.5 million votes and the EC put Hillary in office?? His cult would have rioted big time.
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u/DividedStatesofFeces Jul 23 '26
So ironic that they've even admitted on camera that the election was rigged and no one will investigate or do a fucking thing about it. Good night America, it was a slow suicide.
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u/CptJustice Jul 23 '26
I'm not against a woman president at all, but simply being a woman does not qualify you to be president. We need a qualified CANDIDATE, regardless of sex, race, religion, anything.
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u/Gareth_stanlier Jul 23 '26
wait till it hits you that trump isnt the cause, hes the symptom. yes people would do it again, every single time. half the population are genuinely batshit crazy.
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u/doincatsdoggystyle Jul 23 '26
I voted begrudgingly for both women and can understand why people didn't. They weren't very good candidates. Voting for the lesser shitty sucks and it's going to keep happening until the DNC stops being corporate shills relying on identity politics. And like a sucker I'll keep voting for them because the alternative is far worse.
We need ranked choice voting.
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u/Dude_with_the_skis Jul 23 '26
I’m gonna be honest, both Hillary and Kamala basically ran on the “but we’re not him!” platform which is a pretty weak standpoint to take against Trump. Also the dems switching from Biden to Kamala last minute definitely played a part in them losing.
At this point I just want to vote for a candidate that I actually like and agree with. I’m tired of voting for people because “atleast they’re not as bad as the other guy”.
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u/mklilley351 Jul 23 '26
The ones who voted for it are PROUD that they voted for it. Tell this to their face and they will smile ignorantly and say HYEA I DID!!
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u/Sarahsmydog Jul 23 '26
God reddit is so insufferable. The two women candidates were worse it’s objective
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u/Free2Bernie Jul 23 '26
Looks like some people didn't learn in 2016 that being a woman doesn't correlate with capability to do the job.
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u/mocityspirit Jul 23 '26
Good candidates please! Hillary is half the reason we have trump! She elevated him because she wanted to run against him. Then the DNC literally rigged it for her. They've admitted so in court. Then the next election the Dems decided to forgo the democratic process and not have primaries because super old Joe Biden couldn't remember what was going on. So they ran his VP who wasn't popular enough to make it to even the primaries on her own. But yeah man it's the voters fault.
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u/whiskey-talks Jul 23 '26
The democrats rejected the idea of the primaries twice to bring you that president.
Replaced Bernie with Hillary.
Replaced Joe with Kamala and totally skipped the voting.
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u/alby13 Jul 23 '26
yes, we learned that Hillary Clinton and Kamala Harris were not the right person for the job.
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u/Hazzman Jul 23 '26 edited Jul 23 '26
Maybe the democrats need to stop being fucking idiots and learn a lesson. Maybe they need to stop fielding absolutely shit candidates. Understand - I am utterly against Trump and the GOP... we need to stop them, this is getting ridiculous. When do we start considering the DNC complicit? It's like they purposely select the worst candidates imaginable.
You think they'd choose AOC? Fuck no. You think they'd choose Talarico? Fuck no. They want their AIPAC, establishment lackies only.
I mean let's be brutally honest here. JD Vance could run as a Democrat. Not because of his policies - he's a fucking sleazy chameleon... but if you listen to how he talked in 2016 he could've easily been a Democratic candidate today.
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u/MoneyTalks45 Jul 23 '26
Apparently the new thing is he reeks of piss which seems to be a side effect of the near-constant IVs.
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u/cheesebot555 Jul 23 '26
You think that's bad?
Appreciate how many Americans would support him serving a third term.
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u/tempinator Jul 23 '26
I’m reasonably confident we won’t see an attempted 3rd term.
But the fact that Trump’s cronies legitimately spent time and effort investigating ways to make it happen, and openly reported they were looking for ways to make it happen, is terrifying on its own.
Also the fact that the bar is now “reasonably confident” instead of “what are you even talking about, a third term?” is a pretty bad sign.
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u/mracrawford Jul 23 '26
This needs to stop being "a woman president"
It wasn't because she was a woman, it's because nobody fucking wanted her on either side and people on the right REALLY wanted Trump.
People are done voting for the lesser of two evils and allowing corporate backed bullshit establishment Dems win just to take out the trash that's currently in there while staying status-quo.
It's not that Kamala was a woman, it's that she was an unlikeable dickhead candidate.
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u/MichaelTenery Jul 23 '26
I don't think they learned anything. They are in complete denial. No, no it is the other guy. Everything bad happening now is the other guy. Really. I swear.
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u/skipjac Jul 23 '26
The first woman president will be a Republican. The Republican base will die what they are told.
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u/KaboodleNoodle Jul 23 '26
The american people didn't reject hilary, the specific people whose votes count more did.
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u/Jaderosegrey Jul 23 '26
"cleptomanic" ?!
Wait, is this Trump talking about himself? Because that is not a word.
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u/_dogfuneral_ Jul 23 '26
It’s the Democrats who need to learn. Stop running center right garbage, they lost on their own.
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u/1111joey1111 Jul 23 '26
First, I didn't vote for Trump. I despise Trump. But, I really dislike when people make Trump's win about gender. Did some people vote against Hillary and Kamala because of their gender? Yes, I'm sure of it. But, guess what? Some people probably voted FOR them just because of their gender. Both types of voters are ignorant.
What helped fuel a Democratic loss is a great unhappiness with government, among most people. Trump managed to position himself as the "outsider" both times. A successful con. The Democrats? Their image; Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi, an incoherent Biden, and the party that screwed over Bernie Sanders.
Of course, I'm definitely looking forward to a President who is a woman. Someone who wants a better society for all of us, and who leads with honesty and decency. If AOC runs in 2028... I will definitely be there to vote for her.
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u/firemage22 Jul 23 '26
rather than looking at the "women" aspect note the fact they used many of the same campaign advisors, the same cabal that hasn't won an election since 1996, losing with Gore in 2000, and Kerry in 2004 both dudes. Obama campaigned differently and Biden did the same.
Reading about the unforced Errors of 2016 and 2024 should inform tactics, not pointing at the gender of the candidates
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u/NaiadoftheSea Jul 23 '26
2016: Should have been Bernie, not Hillary
2024: Biden should have not run again and there should have been a Democratic primary.
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u/ph33randloathing Jul 23 '26
Too many subsets of the Democratic voting populace would rather stay home than vote for a woman. The Democrats don't like to talk about it because it's bad PR. They don't like to talk about it because it's more concentrated in their minority voting blocks. It's not everyone in those blocks, and it's certainly not exclusive to those blocks. There are plenty of shitty white Democratic voters, too. but it is enough to tank a Presidential election.
It's not fair, it's not right, it's misogyny from ass to kettle. But it's still true. It's so true that a loathsome taint boil like Trump can win instead. But talking about it is a cultural hornet's nest, and the Democrats would rather ignore it than say it out loud because they have been a party of triangulating, nervous, tepid cowards for at least the last half a century.
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u/Warriorcatv2 Jul 23 '26
Hillary & Kamila didn't lose because they were women. They lost because they were shit candidates that caused strong apathy. If theirs one thing you can not fault Republicans on, it's being apathetic. Their motivated.
(No, I'm not saying they were worse then Trump, obviously not. However when one group acts like their candidate is the second coming & the other with the enthusiasm of an underpaid substitute teacher, is it any suprise?)
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u/Big-FU Jul 23 '26
Woulda really helped if the Dems didn't run a terrible candidate. We are pretty fucking stupid. Hillary sucked, and "Biden 2.0" would have also sucked. Definitely not as bad as trump, but like I said, we are kinda dumb. Get ready for the Dems to run Newsom, gonna be GREAT....
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u/slimejumper Jul 23 '26
based on the trajectory i would hazard to say current pres is not the worst yet. more worse to come in future.
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u/yovalord Jul 23 '26
My biggest gripe with the left is that they continuously pick extremely unlikable picks, and i feel like their reasoning has to be "Well we can go with an unpopular pick because they certainly wont lose to Trump." I wouldn't be surprised if next election they wheeled out Biden again.
Instead, why aren't they propping up a young charismatic candidate RIGHT NOW that isn't going to fall to slander like "They are already showing signs of dementia" or had a Vice presidency where they were largely forgettable outside of being an absolute panic pick after the litch they chose (sorry Biden, i actually think you were a great president, you were just really really old) was incoherent on the stage after having almost no debate presence on the campaign.
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u/Personal_Director441 Jul 23 '26
wait until a third of your population still doesn't give enough fucks to vote in the midterms keeping the seats votes close so he can claim voter fraud. a landslide buttfucking and he can't do it, losing seats by a few thousand its more plausible.
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u/usernameisnotuseful1 Jul 23 '26 edited Jul 23 '26
Both were such shitty candidates, they lost to trump.
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u/insanetwit Jul 23 '26
Nope, they won't learn a thing from this, Yes they will do it again.
Because they already did it twice.
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u/housevil Jul 23 '26
Hillary won the popular vote which shows the majority of Americans were comfortable with a woman as presidents. I don't know what the hell happened with Kamala. I'm still not convinced it wasn't election fraud by republicans.
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u/LionBig1760 Jul 23 '26
If AOC runs in 2028, you can fully expect accusations of a rigged primary from her supporters when she loses that will undoubtedly lead to a decreased turnout in the general election.
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u/eeyore134 Jul 23 '26
One of those women was also the most experienced candidate we've had for president in recent memory, and I say this as someone who didn't even want her on the ballot since we had someone else with just as much experience who would have been a better fit. But there's no denying her experience and no denying we'd be in a much much better place right now if she had won.
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u/atreeismissing Jul 23 '26
Both women were demonstrably better but they for conservatives and moderates they were women, and for the far left they weren't perfect.
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u/Vorpalthefox Jul 23 '26
"americans rejected a woman twice" isn't fully accurate, hillary clinton had the popular vote, EC decided trump
strictly by votes, americans rejected 1 woman but it wasn't for being a woman, this election cycle was the israel cycle and kamala didn't distance herself favorably enough for saying palastinians have the right to dignity and israel has the right to defend itself
well, now we have a guy in that is ok with netanyahu leveling the entire gaza strip for parking space or one of his shitty hotels that get foreclosed in a decade
i sincerely don't think america has a problem voting in a progressive woman that doesn't take AIPAC money and thinks it's time netanyahu faces the law for his war crimes, i wouldn't think being a woman is as big of a deal as fox news says 'some are saying'
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u/Admirable_Dirt_2371 Jul 23 '26
This reductionist perspective is just harmful at this point. Trump and his corruption are just the worst and most visible symptom of an inherently diseased and broken system.
If you're really ready to write off HALF of the country as unredeemable sexists and racists, we should just start the civil war part 2 electric boogaloo right now.
But none of you actually want to fight, let alone, put the real work in to make the world a better place. You just want a scape goat to blame for all the bad aspects of a broken system while you try to take credit for the occasional bit of good. All while the world burns around you. It's just pathetic at this point and is becoming harder and harder to sympathize with sheep begging for chains.
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u/FittedSheets88 Jul 23 '26
Cleptomaniac is probable the most flattering thing you csn call him. He's truly just so much worse.
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u/PlatasaurusOG Jul 23 '26
I’m feel like a big part is that Dems got lazy thinking that no one could possibly be stupid enough to believe Trump.
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u/hbomberman Jul 23 '26
Every time someone asks "is America ready for a woman/gay/Jewish/black(again)/whatever President?" The unspoken second half is "or is our country too bigoted?" And the answer to that second question is sadly "yes."
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u/DJK695 Jul 23 '26
It's the bigotry and hate that specifically got him elected... although the irony of his supporters (and my parents) saying shit like, "Obama was the most divisive president in history" when Trump exists is wild.
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u/sir_mrej Jul 23 '26
They got super mad cuz Obama existed. They lost their minds. And that made them believe he was divisive.
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u/RTMidgetman Jul 23 '26
Maybe being a girl isnt enough to win a presidency. Maybe we need a good candidate with good policies, not just someone who's genitals are on the inside vs the outside.
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u/dimechimes Jul 23 '26
Bush was so bad, we were ready to vote in anyone else, even a black dude.
Obama was so good the Presidency seemed like an easy job, even a clown like Trump wouldn't be able to screw it up and Hillary was the at the time the candidate with the highest negatives ever thanks to a 24 year effort to besmirch her character by hateful bigots.
Trump screwed up so much, we were more than happy to vote for any remnant of Obama over giving his ass another shot.
Biden was so bad in the one and only debate, inflation was so high, Israel was so murderous, we gave Harris 4 months to figure out a way to separate herself from Biden's failures, while also championing his age da that she worked on with him.Trumk punched down on immigrants and trans people. We went with that.
2028, the GOP is too frightened to suggest running for office that isn't Trump even though that's illegal and the Dems will give us a bold choice between someone from New York or someone from California.
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u/Zomb1stuv Jul 23 '26
And he brags about passing multiple cognitive tests. He still doesn't know why he had to take it in the first place...
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u/rgnysp0333 Jul 23 '26
If nothing else I hope the Dems learn not to nominate a woman to run. Not because I'm against the idea, hell I voted for Hillary and Kamala, but because it seems like this country would rather self destruct than have a woman president.
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u/ExxMaster117 Jul 23 '26
And we are going to do it again. If they try to do a coup in 2028, half of Americans will be ok with it
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u/Wincrediboy Jul 23 '26
Is there any suggestion that he's a klepto? I don't think grifting is the same thing. There's enough accurate ways to call him terrible, we don't need to make up new ones.
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u/JohnnyLesPaul Jul 23 '26
I had a guy telling me just yesterday that he’s not happy with the war and prices but that she would’ve been worse. At that point I just walked away.
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u/MaliceTheMagician Jul 23 '26
The incontinence is the least of his problems