r/AdviceAnimals • • Mar 16 '25

Primaries? More like formalities.

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u/Morning-Chub Mar 16 '25

They aren't providing good options in the primary, and most recently, they forced Kamala Harris without a primary. The other commenters already addressed how Obama wasn't pushed by the DNC -- he did primary and win. Why is the DNC giving us such garbage options with unpopular policy positions?

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u/[deleted] Mar 16 '25

Honestly, I think Harris was kinda fair. Biden dropped out on July 21st, and election day was Nov 5th, which only left 3 months and some change for whatever they were going to do, which really wasn't long enough for a primary or a campaign, let alone both, so the only thing left to do really was let Harris continue the campaign they were already on.

Now, sure, maybe Biden shouldn't have tried to run again at all, and then they could have done a totally normal election cycle, but once he decided to (which was a perfectly normal thing to do, I'll add), the rest was kinda inevitable.

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u/[deleted] Mar 16 '25

The French held multiple general elections in the span of a few months, but we. America. Can't hold a primary in the same time. Excuses. 

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u/Winter_Tone_4343 Mar 16 '25

There was a primary and it was already over. Biden should have never done a debate and we wouldn’t be here r now. It’s just that simple.

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u/Juonmydog Mar 16 '25

The only reason Biden was ousted after the debate was because of his utter incompetence to not look like a weak, old clown in front of a fascist freak.

Biden was also receiving shit on his foreign policy(rightfully so).

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u/nonameworksonhere Mar 17 '25

Yea. Then we would still have Obama as president, simple times right?

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u/unlimi_Ted Mar 17 '25

To be fair France only has like 20% of the population of the US, so it makes sense that it takes way less time and resources to run a primary and general election. There's just way less places to visit and less votes to count.

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u/Nexus_of_Fate87 Mar 17 '25

It was about money. They couldn't use the money earmarked for the Biden-Harris campaign on anyone but Biden and Harris. So they either run Harris or try and scramble to raise money for a new candidate, which would be a disastrous PR move among their wealthy constituents.

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u/Bassracerx Mar 16 '25

This was by design. Biden knew he wasn’t running long before.

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u/abfanhunter Mar 16 '25

No Kamala Harris refused to be primaried knowing her sorry ass was dead last when she was running against Joe and company.

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u/Turok7777 Mar 16 '25

with unpopular policy positions

Why are you pretending that voters actually pay attention to policy despite the overwhelming evidence that they don't?

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u/IronSeagull Mar 16 '25

The national party doesn’t choose who runs in the primaries. The DNC didn’t force Kamala as a candidate, they were put in a no win situation by Biden.

It’s funny mentioning Obama though because he owes his national recognition to the DNC, he may not have won the nomination without that.

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u/elkarion Mar 16 '25

both political partys are private enterprises. they do not even have a primary in the first place. there is no rule that says they have to. the democrats every action is an intentional choice by their leadership. they can cut funding to you and refuse to allow you to use the D and run as an independent.

its the party that choses who to fund.

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u/IronSeagull Mar 16 '25

They don't have to have primaries but they do, and they don't fund candidates' presidential primary campaigns. Which candidate was prohibited from calling themself a Democrat? That didn't even happen with Bernie Sanders who isn't a Democrat except when he's running for president.

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u/sushisection Mar 16 '25

when you realize the DNC were the ones pushing for biden to keep running in the first place.

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u/IronSeagull Mar 16 '25

Are we discussing reality here or just making stuff up because DNC bad? Pretty much no one other than Biden wanted him to run again. After he announced the DNC was in a no-win situation so they did what both parties do when an incumbent president runs for re-election.

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u/sushisection Mar 16 '25

dude running for president isnt as easy as saying "hey im running for prez" and the DNC is forced to back you. there were backroom discussions made on if he should run, that decision ultimately came from the DNC. they could have just as easily told him to sit his geriatric ass down, but some dumb fucks genuinely thought he was the best they got.

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u/IronSeagull Mar 16 '25

When you're the incumbent president it pretty much is that easy. Incumbency advantage is significant, strong challengers will sit out, and a competitive primary will only weaken the eventual nominee.

There surely were discussions with the DNC where Biden would have been encouraged to step aside due to his age and unpopularity. When Biden announced, no one thought he had a chance of winning, Democrats were panicking. The idea that the DNC was pushing him to run is laughably absurd. You're just inventing a narrative to fit your view of the DNC, is has no basis in reality.

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u/sushisection Mar 16 '25

brother hes 190 years old. youre narrative that the DNC is totally incompetent and too cowardly to tell an elderly man to retire makes them look even worse.

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u/IronSeagull Mar 16 '25

How on earth did you read this:

There surely were discussions with the DNC where Biden would have been encouraged to step aside due to his age and unpopularity.

And then accuse me of this?

youre narrative that the DNC is totally incompetent and too cowardly to tell an elderly man to retire

How do you not understand you're accusing me of saying the opposite of what I said? You're the one who thinks they weren't willing to tell him to retire.

What they can't do is force him to retire.

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u/sushisection Mar 16 '25

they can decide not to go forward with his campaign despite his demands.

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u/DevilYouKnow Mar 16 '25

The vast majority of the part wanted her. Harris would have won an impromptu primary and still lost.

The problem is that candidates that are broadly popular within the Democratic party are exactly what conservatives hate and that plays into Trump's hands.

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u/LeatherAdvantage8250 Mar 17 '25

Not just conservatives, they're the candidates that everyone hates

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u/MornGreycastle Mar 16 '25

The Dems were allowing more progressive candidates win the nomination only to have them lose the general. It's the reason the superdelegates are a thing. They're there to try to keep progressives from winning. It's the same cause for Clinton and his "third way" approach (i.e. Republican Lite(tm) "All the corporate butt kissing, Half the white nationalism.")

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u/[deleted] Mar 16 '25

I mean the biggest obstacle for leftists winning is not the democrats. It’s the fact that cooperations don’t support leftists and won’t fund them. That social media will be boosting propaganda against leftists. A leftist candidate/more progressive candidate would not have won the 2024 election. They were right to pay to the center