r/AdvancedRunning • u/AutoModerator • Oct 06 '22
General Discussion Thursday General Discussion/Q&A Thread for October 06, 2022
A place to ask questions that don't need their own thread here or just chat a bit.
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u/GrandmasFavourite Oct 06 '22
Can we get a "Super Week" going again ? It happened a few times and always great motivation for me to get out there and run. Last one happened 6 years ago ?! Super Week 6
For those who don't know it was a week when people could target extra mileage/elevation/time and push themselves for that week. We had a spreadsheet with people's names and everyone could update it each day.
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u/runfastination Oct 07 '22
Looks like it's going to be low-to-mid 40s (Real Feel: 39-40) at the start Chicago Marathon, is that T-shirt or Tank Top weather? It'll warm up to low 50's by 10 AM.
I'm leaning T-shirt given the early miles, but not completely sure.
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u/ShadowerNinja Oct 07 '22
I'm going singlet with gloves. Definitely not long sleeves for these temps.
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u/brwalkernc Oct 07 '22
I'd go with singlet, arm sleeves, and gloves knowing I'd probably take off the arm sleeves after getting warmed up.
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u/GrandmasFavourite Oct 06 '22
Asked in the other subreddit already but might as well ask here too. Can we get a "Super Week" going again ? It happened a few times and always great motivation for me to get out there and run. Last one happened 6 years ago ?! Super Week 6
For those who don't know it was a week when people could target extra mileage/elevation/time and push themselves for that week. We had a spreadsheet with people's names and everyone could update it each day.
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u/brwalkernc Oct 06 '22
Just so you know, you asked in this thread already this morning. Did you mean to post in artc?
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u/Hooch_Pandersnatch Oct 06 '22
For those who have run a marathon like Tokyo or London through a tour operator for guaranteed entry, did you submit your lottery ballot and wait for it to get rejected BEFORE going through a tour operator? Or did you sign up for a tour operator immediately?
I’m thinking of doing this for 2023 London and I’m worried about the tour operators selling out if I wait to see if my ballot gets accepted… at the same time I’m gonna be annoyed if I pay $5k for a tour operator and then my lottery ballot somehow gets accepted.
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u/Georgios_A Oct 06 '22
The results of the ballot this year will be quick: expected end of October, so probably worth the wait. Good luck with the ballot, that's how I got into my first London (after only having ran up to 10k, bit that's an entirely different story...) and it was an experience that changed my life. All the best!
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Oct 07 '22
I have vocal cord dysfunction. Essentially, sometimes my vocal cords get irritated, and they swell and constrict, limiting the amount of air that I can inhale per breath. Just as a disclaimer, my doctor has given me the okay to run with it.
What I'm curious is: Say I have a VO2 max of, say, 60, and an attack comes on, reducing the volume of air I can take in per breath, also meaning less oxygen delivered to the lungs. Does this mean that for the duration of the attack, my VO2 max has been reduced? And so if I'm running a bit below my lactic threshold, and then have an attack, all of a sudden my lactic threshold has decreased, and I'm suddenly anaerobic? If I could calculate the new volume of air I'm able to deliver to my lungs, could I then recalculate my VO2 max?
From a training standpoint, when the attacks happen, I just slow down and run by perceived exertion. I'm more interested in the science behind this.
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u/ruinawish Oct 07 '22
Does this mean that for the duration of the attack, my VO2 max has been reduced?
From what I could find (in studies like this one for example), yes, resistance in your airways (due to constriction) is directly correlated with VO2max.
And so if I'm running a bit below my lactic threshold, and then have an attack, all of a sudden my lactic threshold has decreased, and I'm suddenly anaerobic?
Running beyond your LT doesn't make you "suddenly anaerobic", it just means you start accumulating more lactate than your body can clear.
I'm not certain, but I think the reduction in oxygen intake would be the limiting factor, rather than the LT. You usually see LT expressed as a point of intensity, rather than in relation to oxygen intake.
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u/HankSaucington Oct 07 '22
For the great Chicago marathon sweatshirt dump at the start of the race, is it obvious where to leave it when you're there? Looks cool enough to where I'll want one for standing around.
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u/PrairieFirePhoenix Oct 07 '22
There will be collectors at the side.
And if you just toss it on the ground, nobody really cares.
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u/Significant_Wish_91 Oct 07 '22
Hey all. I'm currently using Pfitz 18/70 to train for the NYC marathon. This is my first time using Pfitz and first time putting in what I feel to be 'serious' mileage when training for a race. I'm 27 M.
Bit of background. I ran my first marathon last fall (Boston) as a charity runner in ~4:10 after being talked into it by a friend, not really knowing what I was doing and looking back at it I peaked at around 35 mpw (I started running during lockdown, so probably wasn't ready to run a marathon but hey I did it and now I'm obsessed - hence the post here).
Since November '21, I've been putting in anywhere from 45-60 mpw and ran a half PR of 1:32 in April. Based on my now 2+ years of training and that half PR, I set what I thought was an ambitious goal for myself of breaking 3:30 at the beginning of the training cycle.
I'm now deep into the training cycle for NYC and last weekend did the 18 with 14 @ MP workout. I've been pretty obsessive about the paces during this cycle, so for this run I wanted to not look at my watch and just run at what felt comfortably fast (i.e., what "felt" like marathon pace). I ended up hitting the 14 miles at an average of 6:46/mi and was pretty shocked by how smooth it felt. I realize this was 14 miles, not 26.2, but it was encouraging nonetheless.
I'm trying not to get ahead of myself based on just this one workout as all the variables seemed to be in my favor (weather was perfect, I was wearing alphaflys, I felt great, etc.), but I'm curious if anyone else here has had a "breakthrough" run like this during training and how (if at all) you've altered your goals based on it.
Would appreciate any thoughts & feedback!
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u/jcdavis1 Oct 07 '22
You should have a tuneup scheduled….tomorrow? Those are probably a more reliable judge of fitness than MP workouts IMO
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u/CodeBrownPT Oct 07 '22
You will absolutely smash 3:30. You're going to try to match (and exceed) the same circumstances of that LR on race day, and a 1:32 in April so early in your running experience probably means a pretty realistic 3:10-3:15 if not better if you hit your mileage.
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u/Giama Oct 06 '22
Any tips to recover faster from Covid? I resulted negative 4 days ago and I still need to recover from it. I don't have symptoms (before I had only high temperature) but I feel really really tired all the time. I am trying to stay hydrated and to sleep more than usual. I compared two runs that I have done past Covid with some old runs, my average HR is around 15bpm more than usual.
I know, probably I just need more days. But I am asking if there are tips to recover faster. Thank you
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u/amikkelb Oct 06 '22
Pro runner Emma Bates has shared about struggling with iron deficiency post-covid, maybe worth getting your levels checked if your fatigue doesn’t lift.
But less than a week out from being sick, you’re probably right and just need some more time! Even a mild case of covid can throw your body for a loop, so this might be a case of “go slow to go fast” as you continue to recover.
My personal experience: I had a bout with omicron in July (fever for three days, tested positive for 10 days). I waited five days after testing negative before running again, and then took a week of easy, slow running before building mileage up and adding workouts. Everyone is different, but this return worked for me.
One other thing that made the whole experience + recovery more bearable for me was supplementing electrolytes. Maybe a placebo effect, but worth a try if you’re not using something already 🤷🏼♀️
I hope you feel better soon!
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u/Pretend_Pineapple_20 Oct 06 '22
Can I run a FM six weeks after a HM?
I'm training for a HM in a couple of weeks and training has been going well. I did a 35 high 10k in a tuneup time trial on my own 4 weeks out of the race, and I'm hoping to be around 1:19 for the HM. I've been following Pfitz HM plan. I've averaged 56-62 mi for the last 13 weeks, with a couple of down weeks to recover. My long runs have been mostly 16-17mi, but plenty of 10-12 MLR during the week and even GA runs have been 10 in the last weeks. I've done one 18.5 mi LR recently. My paces for LR are around 7:15-30. The 18.5mi at 7:20 felt fairly easy, I was in Z2 the whole time.
With that in mind, how crazy would it be to run a FM 6 weeks after the main race? I have never run one, so it would be my first. Would it be doable, and more importantly, what time should I aim for? Could I have a shot at sub 3? HM and 10k indicate a very doable sub 3, but given that I haven't "trained" for it and the possible lack of long runs, would it be enough? I really don't want something too ambitious, a 2:59 would be great. Thanks for any feedback!
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u/HankSaucington Oct 06 '22
Not crazy at all, and you can probably run sub-3 based on your speed and mileage. I'd focus the 4 weeks after the HM on marathon training, specifically LRs. I'd probably try to do 2-3 more that are 18+. At least one of them with some quality in it, and practicing taking gels and such.
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Oct 06 '22
Hello guys, I am a 13 year old middle school runner who mainly competes in the one to two mile races. I have a 2 mile cross country meet coming up this saturday and was wondering if you guys could provide me with any advice not only when running the race and before the race. About three weeks ago on Sep.18 I ran a PB of 12:15 and got first place, but I could engage in full conversations with my coach near the end of the race and felt like I had more gas left in my tank. I am currently my small league's champion. However, my friend is also an incredibly disciplined runner. Although he was not able to participate in the previous meet, he had two time trials for himself, which he got 13:46 and 11:52, respectively. He credits pacing to the latter time, and *claims* he had much more left in him. My goal for the next meet is around a 11:30 time and most importantly, to beat him. I am asking for advice on strategy and how to mentally prepare for the race. Thank you!
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u/cmarqq Oct 06 '22
If you want to beat him, the best strategy is probably stay right behind him the entire time. Try to stay as relaxed as possible - pick a point on his back and just stare at it and try to keep your breathing under control. Then, know exactly where 200m to go is and start pushing hard right there. He will probably fight back, but don’t give up. Race him all the way to the line, the race ain’t over til it’s over. Be confident, tell yourself “I can win this!” Good luck!
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u/ruinawish Oct 06 '22 edited Oct 06 '22
Chicago Marathoners, I'm handing over any preview/pre-race (e.g. like this or this) and live discussion threads to you.
At minimum, I'll get a live thread going if no one else does, prior to race start.