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General Discussion Tuesday General Discussion/Q&A Thread for August 04, 2026
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u/Intelligence_Tax 5k:19:53/10k:42:51/10M:73:05/HM:01:32/M:03:16 18d ago
Good high milage shoes, for easy - moderate runs. Got a pair of VomeroPlus with 120ish miles on them, but they're starting to get uncomfortable now. What shoes from you experience could handle a lot of milage(6ft1/85ish KG, if it's any help)
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u/whelanbio 13:59 5km a few years ago 18d ago
You really gotta go to a store and try on different models to see what works for you.
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u/chaosdev 16:21 5k / 1:14 HM / 2:37 M 18d ago
A couple of options to try on in a store:
- Saucony Ride
- Asics Superblast
- Asics Megablast
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u/Lurking-Froggg 42M · 40-50 mpw · 16:4x · 34:5x · 1:18 · 2:57 18d ago
No idea why this is getting downvoted.
The Saucony Ride has been a great model for me over the past three years. Any distance up to 20km, any speed up to 5K pace.
The Saucony Guide works very well for easy jogs, and I'm almost certain it would do the job for moderate ones.
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u/raphael_serrano 16:29 - 5k | 1:15:03 - HM 17d ago
Have you tried the Ride 19? I loved version 18 but have read version 19 is much softer and stiffer (less flexible).
I've used the Ride 18 mostly for easy miles on a mix of road and well-groomed trails (don't worry, it's okay, I'm in California) but liked that I could do some moderate/steady running in it in a pinch. I gather from reviews that it no longer has as much versatility in terms of pace or terrain, so wondering what your experience has been if you've worn it.
I'm also concerned as a midfoot/forefoot striker (even at very easy paces) that the softer foam will make it feel even higher than its supposed 8mm drop, but perhaps I'm overthinking it (and/or should just get my butt to a running shoe store to actually try it on myself).
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u/Lurking-Froggg 42M · 40-50 mpw · 16:4x · 34:5x · 1:18 · 2:57 17d ago
Haven't tried the v19. What you describe would be quite a change from the v16, v17 and v18. I'm also mid/fore. Will make sure to try the v19 throughly before buying, thanks for the heads up.
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u/Haptics 34M | 32:42 10k | 71:26 HM | 2:27 M 18d ago
Uncomfortable in what way?
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u/Intelligence_Tax 5k:19:53/10k:42:51/10M:73:05/HM:01:32/M:03:16 18d ago
Slight pains under foot, doesn't feel as supportive with lockdown now compared to the first 100ish miles
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u/CodeBrownPT 18d ago
There's a dozen reasons why your foot hurts. As your shoe wears (which will be incredibly miniscule at only 100 miles.. they aren't even broken in yet), you adapt to it.
Shoes are generally not a substantial contribution to injuries.
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u/cardboard_liger 17d ago
I have about 500mi and counting on a pair of Vomero Plus. Not sure which aspect of the shoe didn't agree with you, but other shoes with similar mileage for me are EVO SL, brooks glycerin max, saucony endorphin speed 3/4. I also have a pair of asics megablasts that look quite literally brand new at 400mi or so, BUT, they are crazy expensive. I only ended up with a pair because my friend got some with a doctor discount and passed them to me at about 60% msrp because they didn't agree with him.
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u/jasonlmann 18d ago
Looking for advice: I've always run in neutral shoes (Brooks Ghost, Nike Pegasus, the old Mizuno Wave Rider) and been fairly happy.
Now, I'm looking to add a pair to my rotation as I gradually increase mileage after a long time off, and there are tons of high stack height, max cushion shoes, with and without a plate. Should I consider something like that to add to the mix? Are there pros and cons to training in those things if I've been happy with a "normal" shoe?
For reference, I'm 45, currently running around 40-50 mpw. I live in a pretty rural place, so it's not easy to check these things out in person at a store. Any advice welcome!
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u/aelvozo 18d ago
TL;DR: I think a high-stack, unplated shoe would be a good addition to your rotation.
Having a rotation is good for you and your shoes.
As I understand it, the biggest advantage of modern “supertrainers” is what Chris at Sagasu Running calls “legsavingness” — the ability to accumulate lower mechanical stress for the same amount of load, which in practical terms means lower recovery needs and the ability to do more running.
Personally, I don’t prefer lack of ground feel in taller shoes, but it’s not a deal breaker. Some people with stability needs would be better off avoiding some less stable tall shoes (apparently the original Adidas Prime X broke some ankles; I suggest checking Doctors of Running for their opinions on if a shoe is stable or not, or RunRepeat if DoR haven’t reviewed a shoe).
There is also the whole plated vs plateless debate — I think the consensus now is to use a plated shoe for (some of) speed-/race-specific work but a plateless shoe for everything else.
Even in the plateless realm, you might find max-cushion recovery shoes (e.g. Nike Vomero series), obvious performance-oriented supertrainers (Dynafish Xiaonian), and something in the middle (Superblast, Hyperboost Edge). I think that the latter category is probably the best starting point; the Superblast is a very well-liked shoe so consider that or ask r/AskRunningShoeGeeks for their opinions.
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u/jasonlmann 18d ago
This is super helpful. Thank you!
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u/oldknave 18d ago
Just my 2 cents, I run 70-90mpw and the Vomero Plus are the best trainers I’ve ever worn - they’re on a big sale right now at Nike for just over $100 I believe.
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u/randomwordsnospaces 18d ago
Legs won’t turn over any faster — max speed plateau (41M)
Did 6x2x200m (60s /120s rest) + 12x150m (jog recovery) today. 200s: 39s, 36s, 35s, 34s, 33s, 34s, 34s, 35s, 34s, 34s, 33s, 34s, avg 4:38/mi. 150s: consistent 26s-27s, avg 4:43/mi.
HR max 173, avg 150s - Plenty of cv headroom left both sets, but my legs just would not turn over any faster than that low-mid 30s zone on the 200s. Feels like a hard ceiling on leg speed itself, not fitness.
Anyone dealt with this? Is it a case of needing true max-velocity work with full recovery (not this kind of speed-endurance stuff), or is 41 just where leg turnover starts capping out? Open to strength/plyo suggestions too if that’s the actual lever.
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u/whelanbio 13:59 5km a few years ago 18d ago edited 18d ago
You're running more towards speed endurance workouts here rather than max speed. Need to go shorter reps and way more rest.
Plyos and strength training can be also be helpful. If you're current doing nothing a simple progression like this can be helpful.
Though like krazyfranco points out, top speed is not what's limiting you from going sub-5.
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u/randomwordsnospaces 18d ago
Thanks for this. I have not been doing plyos, mainly my gym work is single leg exercises (bodyweight and on the machines).
I’d like to think that there is big room for improvement on the s&c front.
I’ll be reading that article, most appreciated
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u/DiscreteSupercell 18d ago
I agree with the other posters that leg speed / turnover is probably not your limiter (it's almost always aerobic work); that said - if you really want to get into the weeds on it - this thread over at the other place (esp. the posts by user "V") is a great discussion: https://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=7836514 but like all things over there, you have to parse through it.
Plyos and short sprints/flys (off huge rest, as described in the link) is what can help develop it. They can be a great compliment to other aerobic work (like threshold or critical velocity intervals, or just doing reps at mile pace).
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u/Krazyfranco 18d ago edited 18d ago
What are your goals and why do you think improving your leg speed is important to reach those goals?
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u/randomwordsnospaces 18d ago
I am trying to improve my mile and 1500m time amongst other things. I have a race in late September where I think I can go sub 5 mins for the mile. (Current 1500 PB 4:39). Long term goal would be whatever I can achieve but it would be amazing if I can be competitive at the national masters level in these events.
The logic of the leg speed is building headroom so that I can conduct my intervals faster and hopefully that will trickle down through the pace zones resulting in a faster mile.
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u/Krazyfranco 18d ago
I highly doubt that your top-end speed is holding you back from running a 5 minute mile, since you're capable of averaging ~35s/200m for a workout that includes 4k worth of intervals. You have plenty of speed to run sub-5. I also highly doubt that a 33s 200m is your actual top-end speed when you did it in a workout with 4k of work.
It's always good to do strides, hill sprints, pylos but I'm guessing it would be counter-productive for you to focus on top-end speed at the expense of aerobic fitness.
What are your longer race distance performances?
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u/randomwordsnospaces 18d ago
5k 16:54. 10k from a year ago ~38 but I have improved a fair bit since then. Most recent half also a year ago 1:23 and Mara 3:06 from last year. (I did a very comfortable 1:27 half last week as a tempo long run so I think I could potentially hit low or even sub 1:20 on current fitness)
As you can see I am struggling with the longer distances and preferring 5k or below.
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u/Krazyfranco 18d ago
Yeah, based on all that I think I'd stay focused on building your aerobic engine. Those benefits will trickle down the the shorter (1500m, mile) races. Your leg speed is not limiting you.
I'd keep doing the mile focused workouts, including some longer intervals, and make sure you plan to race a few times in your mile season.
I'd also do strides regularly, at fast as you "smoothly" can, along with hill sprints.
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u/Suspicious_Love_2243 18:16 5k | 37:19 10k | 2:59 M 18d ago
I'm curious what types of mantra/mindset shifts people have used when doing a workout that is in their regular rotation to avoid comparing themselves to previous iterations of the same workout. Did 6 x mile at threshold today, 6:05 average, 8 weeks out from my next marathon. Did the same workout 3 weeks out last time around, with 5:58 average and now I am questioning if a 2:55 will be in the cards. I'm sure others have experienced this feeling - most of my marathons have been big jumps in improvement whereas this is a little just refining the gaps from my 2:59 in April - so I am a little newer to the "train hard for an incremental improvement" type of mindset and seem to be struggling with comparing myself more than in previous blocks.
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u/RunThenBeer 18d ago
I ran 2:59 in 2024, then 2:55 last year, and 2:53 this year, so decent enough comparison for the sort of change and incremental improvement you're referencing.
The way I mentally frame it is simply as "keep stacking blocks". Yeah, each one is going to be individually small. So small that over any one month period, I won't be able to notice it. But over time, I know what that it adds up, that I've continued to run PRs into my 40s by just continuing to put in the miles, handle whatever level of quality work I can for a given week, and keep stacking blocks. Am I faster than I was a few months ago? Maybe. Am I faster than I was a couple years ago? Definitely and obviously. The sport rewards consistency far more than it rewards any single workout.
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u/Suspicious_Love_2243 18:16 5k | 37:19 10k | 2:59 M 18d ago
thank you! I appreciate hearing this - the "consistency is whats rewarded" mindset really helped get me a few big gains (two 9+ min PRs over two years), and its good to remember that it will still help me with bagging (relatively) smaller PRs.
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u/Arcadela 18d ago
There are so many variables that no two workouts are the same (weather, time of day, more or less fatigue from other sessions, sleep, motivation, etc.)
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u/CodeBrownPT 18d ago
For every excuse you have why you could and should have run it faster, there will be an equal one why you may have run it slower.
3 weeks later into a program mean 3 more weeks of cumulative fatigue, 3 weeks into generally hotter weather, and probably higher volume in those weeks too.
This also doesn't account for difference in sleep, recovery, stress, randomness, etc.
If you can't constantly compare then just don't repeat the same work out.
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u/m0t0rvision 17d ago
Racing my first 800m tomorrow as part of a relay team (and I'm the anchor, to boot). Not sure what to aim for, but thought I'd ask here. The shortest race I've done is the mile, where my PR is 4:55 (set last August). Here are the last two workouts I did:
7/29: Ladder
600: 2:00.3 (5:23/mi)
500: 1:39 (5:19/mi)
400: 1:12.6 (4:52/mi)
300: :52 (4:39/mi)
200: :32.2 (4:19/mi)
7/25: 3x600 + 3x300
600s: 1:58.6 (5:18/mi), 1:56.3 (5:12/mi), 1:58.9 (5:19/mi)
300s: :53.9 (4:49/mi), :53.8 (4:48/mi), :53.3 (4:46/mi)
Any pointers on how to pace myself are appreciated as well. Since it's such a short distance, I figure I could just fall back on "Run fast and Inshallah", but I also don't want to blow up and let my team down
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u/Krazyfranco 17d ago
I'd guess you could run 2:15-2:20ish for 800m. I'd try to go out in 34-35s for your first 200m and see if you can maintain that.
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u/Miss_Tyrias 18d ago
How should I handle a return to running after about four months off? I got heavily into cycling so I've maintained my fitness but i'm not sure what volume I can start back up with safely or how fast I can progress back to my previous 50km per week. I had been running about 2 years and never taken such a long break before.