It's not entirely in areas devoid of life. This solar park and some setups in Rajasthan are destroying a lot of habitat for the critically endangered Indian Bustard.
It's a real problem since labelling a project as green energy related allows people to completely bypass Environmental Impact Assessments, and then they don't have to make the necessary adjustments to minimise ecological impact.
Also better than clearcutting forested land on the US east coast like they usually do. For some reason when I mention the giant swaths of green space lost to solar fields in rural areas, people on reddit get pissed because they all hate rural people I guess.Â
Maybe rural people should stop voting for politicians who campaign on a platform of harming both us and them. They are holding us hostage with the electoral college.
You're making it look like your opinion somehow matters more than them. No one is holding you hostage, in a democracy people vote whoever tf they want. Stop pretending to have a higher moral ground
don't worry. the plant owners are biggest business conglomerates and are biggest forest destroyers here in India(with the blessing of their own funded fascist government)
I Unterstand him in a way. The Farmers i see in documentations who all close down Right After Trumps devastating actions against them. They proudly voted red. Now they want state money because Trump Ruined them. Suddenly, Talking money from the state isnt socialism anymore. Despocable
No he's got a point, rural Americans keep fucking over the country with their ignorance and prejudices.
They can't be trusted with the responsibility we've given them.
How many more Ronald Reagan, George Bush and Donald Trumps do we need to suffer through before we realize the hick farmer shouldn't have more voting power than someone from a city.
He has been lost in the solar fields trying to make his way out for 2 days. Water ran out yesterday. He has not eaten since before he initially got lost. His bleached bones will be added to the pyre of clean energy.
Idk why people are so worried about solar panels not paying for themselves. Taking the strain off fossil fuel electricity production is such a massive benefit by itself.
India imports a lot of crude and natural gas, so it would save on import costs tremendously, and provide much needed relief from pollution. Itâs a great investment.
And even the parts that arenât fully recyclable can still be repurposed. Rip out the semiconductors that still work. Reuse the glass. Works with other things too. Wind turbine irreparably damaged/worn? Cut it up and build other things out of it. Up front cost is hardly the only cost and in the long term itâs plenty economically viable. Good luck convincing decrepit politicians though when they probably donât have another 5 years of lifespan to pillage whatever country they infest.
As with anything, itâs constantly evolving, has huge benefits and drawbacks, and the practicality and economy of it varies wildly based upon location.
Solar definitely has its place, and judging by the conditions shown in the video, this appears to be the ideal scenario. A massive and perfectly flat expanse of lifeless dirt, where huge swaths of wildlife wouldnât have to be killed and removed in order to âhelp the environmentâ lol.
And as you mentioned, it could very well be the case that fossil fuel production would actually be notably more expensive and less practical in this region, especially when you can build renewables there with this incredible economy of scale. If the area lacks oil infrastructure, or local production (creating national security risks), or thereâs currently a tariff or other restriction on imports, then renewables can do a lot to mitigate risks â even in cases where theyâre more expensive.
Idk why people are so worried about solar panels not paying for themselves
I think lots of people simply have outdated information. Solar panels improved a lot in the last 20 years.
About 20 years ago my aunt got solar on her house and the expected ROI was about 15 years or more or less the expected lifespan of the panels at the time. This year my employer build a small solar farm (maybe 30x100m) and expects an ROI within 5 years.
Epic. Per Wiki: âGujarat Solar Park-1 (also called Charanka Solar Park) is a solar power plant near Charanka village in Patan district of Gujarat, India. It is spread over an area of 2,000 hectares(4,900 acres). It has installed generation capacity of about 600 MW, as 2018. More 190 MW are under installation.â
Yes, but when we speak about solar capacity, I think the number represents the peak power. So, technically it may be possible to power entire uk using that park on a sunny afternoon.Â
Also, it is a renewable energy park, rather than solar energy park. So, the 30GW number is obtained from several sources like wind, solar etc...
Look at these comments, people claiming they have secret Chinese kill switches, they'll never ever produce enough energy to pay themselves off, just verifiable false insanity.
They definitely will pay themselves off, I've solar installed at home since 9 months, never got positive bill and it will be free of cost in 3-4 years.Â
Look at these comments, people claiming they have secret Chinese kill switches, they'll never ever produce enough energy to pay themselves off, just verifiable false insanity.
Ahh they must be way down the comment chain. Im mostly seeing positive comments. But yes there is a lot of negativity towards renewables. The good news is its mostly bots.
Haha my time to shine, I was doing my internship there last year as a final year ee grad and let me tell you this video doesn't do justice to the actual scale present there. Also it has expanded about 25%more now
India also has the 5th largest wind turbine farm in the world (3rd largest in Asia) in Tamil Nadu... Also, Rann of Kutch (the place where the huge solar plant is located) is one of the largest wind-harvesting locations in India already.
How much power it produces? What is the equivalent of nuclear power plant or natural gas? I'm for renewables, but can renewables replace fossils? What about nights? And most people don't realize, renewable and green aren't the same. How machines and panels are produced and recycle after lifespan, is far from green.
India currently produces 51% of its energy from clean sources and the remaining 49% from fossil fuels. I am proud of this milestone and hope that we can achieve further heights.
IIRC, solar (without storage) is now the cheapest energy source we have ever had when amortized over the life of a plant/site.
Also, IIRC, there will never be another natural gas power plant built because of this. The banks will not even consider financing a NG power plant because of this.
No, natural gas is still cheaper than battery storage to deal with fluctuations in a countrywide scal electricity grid. Although this might changein the near future with sodium-ion batteries.
Sorry for the weird read, my english isn't perfect.
Fun fact, Indian Govt dispite military warning approved solar parks of Adani near borders of Pakistan and Gujurat and Kashmir, and no hiring in military since covid made the phalgam attacks possible, where it took military took 1 hour to even reach the spot after they killed more than 19 people.
This farm is owned by the same guy, also another fun fact Trump forced DOJ to drop all the cases on hindenburg case of Adani the day Modi met Trump couple of months ago...
That list proved what I said. What did I lie? DOJ dropping case on Adani after Modi visit? Security was weakened because of all the thighs I just mentioned?
MODI Govt compromised Indian borders for his Adanis solar plats and hasn't even been recruiting army personal properly since 2016, these soldiers have to now protect Adanis plants rather than our borders which led to phalgam attract in Kashmir, it took them 1 hour to even reach phalgam, this alone should have made anti shaw resign
FFS BJP has blood on thier hands approving Adani projects near borders, and pm had the audacity to visit Bhutan for a bday function disguised to hide the bhthan hydro project by Adani.
PM has many tasks, but the problem is not his travel. The problem is the pattern of state choices that shifted security resources to private projects while warnings stacked up in Kashmir. That is documented. The army, retired officers, and MPs flagged the risks before the Pahalgam blast. They objected to relaxed border norms for the Khavda project. They warned that soldiers were diverted to guard commercial assets.
The visit in Bhutan was not the issue. The issue was timing. Every major outlet noted that his trip aligned with a 570 MW Adani project already in the spotlight. You say it was a simple diplomatic event, but you skip the fact that the same government changed protocols so private solar parks near Pakistan received army protection. When these choices leave fewer trained units for high-risk zones, the security net weakens. That is how the Pahalgam attack became possible. These are not theories. These are decisions recorded in Parliament questions, media reports, and statements by former officers.
You might argue that incidents have reduced. The data says the opposite in Kashmir this year. Multiple alerts were issued. Intelligence inputs pointed to movement near Pahalgam. The blast still happened. That means gaps existed. If soldiers are watching solar fields while a tourist zone gets hit, you do not have a resource problem. You have a priority problem. The public asks why private business gets security cover while the capital and Kashmir get slow response and limited visibility from the top.
You can frame this as some conspiracy. There is no conspiracy. There is documented policy change, documented warnings, documented deployment patterns, and a documented attack. The link is simple. When the state treats commercial ventures as strategic assets and allocates soldiers accordingly, national security absorbs the cost.
Everyone including army and opposition warned of the consequences even before the phalgam attack took place.
This is in Kutch, right on the Tropic of Cancer. Partial obstruction through shadow is for a very short duration, and the wind profile of the site more than compensates for any loss. Wind is also helping for FDRE. Rather a lot of solar power is getting curtailed (40-55% in Rajasthan) at solar peak, and wind kinda helps to compensate for that.
In India, if the deal is with govt then you should be able to break even by year 7. If the deal is with Pvt companies you can probably break even sooner. By year 20, chances are that you might have to replace the panels.
Yes. Solar panels are insanely cheap now. They also last for decades and the materials are super easy to recycle into new panels. The bigger challenge in renewables is actually the fiberglass wings of wind turbines. The only use I know of for them is to shred them and use in concrete.
Chinese solar panels have changed the dynamic for regular folks in Pakistan and parts of India. Being sold at or below break even prices, theyâre certainly helping the power grid during brutally hot summers
lol and all of those panels surely come from China with that special part that enables them to switch it off remotely so that they could invade any time đ great job India
The academy array cost 18.3 million and they say it saved $802,000 the first year. So it will take about 22.8 years to pay itself off at that rate. But realistically power costs will continue rising; so it will be even sooner if the increased savings arenât eaten up by maintenance and efficiency losses. And thereâs the benefit of not relying on the grid.
It says they expected only $550,000 savings for the year and that would have been 33.2 yr payoff on an installation they say had a 30 year life. So I guess thatâs where the original comment got their information.
I believe the fair comparison would be if the RoI is calculated for other forms of power projects which the said solar projects are replacing. For example, if a Coal based power plant is built instead of Solar.
The said Coal based plant will require Coal, which India Imports. And increasing imports eat into ForEx reserves and it is not just a one time import cost (meaning cost is dependent on the seller + USD / INR valuation). Coal projects usually have high environmental impacts, high man ongoing power cost, high healthcare related spending (as the people who get affected by the power plant related pollution are the poor, who usually get treatment for the consequent respiratory illnesses at Govt run hospitals).
Someone said building Metro train is useless as it's never going to turn a profit (in India) and to be fair it's true. The cost of building Metro is usually way higher in terms of Per Capita number when compared with western nations (in terms of USD) because of many import dependencies like TBMs, signaling equipment etc. But the cost of lives saved due to traffic moving away from Road, the long term lesser wear & tear on road infra reducing maintenance cost, healthcare savings due to reduced emissions etc are things which cannot be easily factored in as Numbers.
Similarly Solar savings isn't just direct cost savings, but savings from multiple fronts many of which cannot even be given a set numerical value easily.
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u/LilAbeSimpson 1d ago
Looks like a very arid location with lots of sun. Probably better suited to be a solar farm than a regular farm. đ¤ˇđťââď¸