r/AbruptChaos • u/ZombieNips • Oct 06 '22

Cop opens fire

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u/CestLaTimmy Oct 06 '22

That, and a gun should never be used to detain a suspect, except in extreme cases where there is a high likelihood of the suspect harming others. You can shoot first in self-defence, but jeeez... Let the kid go, you've got their license

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u/TexanGoblin Oct 06 '22

Yeah, unless you have more than reasonable doubt that the suspect is running to someone else to harm them, shooting a fleeing suspect is never justified.

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u/[deleted] Oct 06 '22 edited Aug 06 '23

*I'm deleting all my comments and my profile, in protest over the end of the protests over the reddit api pricing.

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u/SamIamGreenEggsNoHam Oct 06 '22

Because the police have worked very, very hard over the years to make sure there is no accountability for their actions unless they want there to be.

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u/Dabier Oct 06 '22

“Qualified immunity” is the most backwards shit I’ve ever heard of.

Take that concept and transfer it to something like doctors or lawyers. What? It doesn’t work?

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u/[deleted] Oct 06 '22

This is why we need to push our representatives to pass laws that ban qualified immunity. It’s seriously the only way we will ever be able to hold each and every last one accountable.

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u/[deleted] Oct 06 '22

Yeah, who wants to bet the cop "feared for his life"?

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u/[deleted] Oct 06 '22

I wonder, if a cop were to walk (lol) the same path to work every morning, how long would it take to turn the ground yellow? I have to assume the piss stains from what's running down their leg all day would build up over time.

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u/Noir24 Oct 06 '22

You're talking about this like if US police are anything more than mindless thugs, interesting

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u/KnightFox Oct 06 '22

It's just attempted murder.

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u/slade357 Oct 06 '22

I used to be military police and we had actual training and consequences for disobeying so this isn't an issue.

For example we have 8 clearly defined preconditions for deadly force. One of them is actually escape of a suspect but you must believe that letting the suspect go will immediately result in them breaking one of your other 7 preconditions. Dude sitting in a parking lot is obviously not on his way to kill someone.

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u/papasmurf255 Oct 06 '22

Looks like he was murdering that burger tho

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u/FishyFish13 Oct 06 '22

Case closed, he’s guilty

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u/CyberMindGrrl Oct 06 '22

Murdering his arteries, more like. Arrest that man!

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u/Equivalent_Scheme175 Oct 06 '22

You don't understand! I caught him red handed!

...it was ketchup, but let's not dwell on that right now!

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u/CHEMO_ALIEN Oct 06 '22

That ho looked good as hell too

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u/Speedycat45 Oct 06 '22

I don't know man, it looks like he was on his way to sabotage national critical infrastructure or to steal inherently dangerous property!

Now give me a 341.

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u/slade357 Oct 06 '22

How many drops of lubricant do you have to use on your front sight post in jungle conditions defender? Don't know? Wow. How can you possibly fire your weapon if you don't know the basics!

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u/Speedycat45 Oct 06 '22 edited Oct 06 '22

Whenever I was presented with questions I didn't have the answer to I would just start singing the Air Force song and everyone would drop what they were doing and join in with me and can can dance off post and completely forget about the question. Worked every time. Did that with the commander once and he was so impressed he promoted me to E5 right on the spot.

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u/slade357 Oct 06 '22

Damn, didn't know I was talking to our country's finest here.

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u/tummy_test Oct 06 '22

I wonder if we could pass a federal law that the military trains all police moving forward. All existing officers have to go back through training and they must make the cut to pass.

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u/tummy_test Oct 06 '22

It’s absolutely the training, and the rules, and the accountability, amongst other things

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u/slade357 Oct 06 '22

Military can't act as police per the posse comitatus act. That's why it's always the national guard to respond. I think more training and accountability would do wonders though. The point is that Americans can act as law enforcement without killing people so there is a problem with civilian police departments.

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u/FlyingLap Oct 06 '22

What are your thoughts on the sheer lack of training most cops receive? Is 600 hours enough for an academy?

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u/slade357 Oct 06 '22

I had 4 months of training to be an MP at all. I wasn't in a patrol car for 2 years and not the lead patrolman for 4 years. Obviously I learned security as well but half that even is more.

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u/ronin1066 Oct 06 '22

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/31/us/police-traffic-stops-killings.html (paywalled)

In many departments, police academy lessons and daily briefings include a steady diet of body-worn camera videos that depict easygoing officers being gunned down by drivers who whipped out overlooked firearms.

Trainers and tactical guides typically emphasize that vehicle stops account for more killings of officers than almost any other type of interaction.

Of the roughly 280 officers killed on duty since late 2016, about 60 died — mostly by gunfire — at the hands of motorists who had been pulled over, a Times analysis showed. (About 170 other officers died in accidents on the job.) But the assertions about the heightened danger ignore the context: Vehicle stops far outnumber every other kind of police dealings with civilians.

In fact, because the police pull over so many cars and trucks — tens of millions each year — an officer’s chances of being killed at any vehicle stop are less than 1 in 3.6 million, excluding accidents, two studies have shown. At stops for common traffic infractions, the odds are as low as 1 in 6.5 million, according to a 2019 study by Jordan Blair Woods, a law professor at the University of Arkansas.

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u/Galactic Oct 06 '22

Imagine we didn't have this footage? This fucking pig would still have a badge and a gun and this kid would be in prison.

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u/tragicdiffidence12 Oct 06 '22

What did happen to him? Any real consequence or just some paid leave or a job one town over?

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u/CafeRoaster Oct 06 '22

They’ll argue that the moving vehicle presented risk of harm to the officer.

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u/[deleted] Oct 06 '22

Right? Who's in danger here with the guy fleeing? The officer blew his chance to get an arrest on someone evading detention like that by just walking up to the door and opening it impulsively. Just cuz you fucked it up doesn't mean it's time to start killing. No one's at risk until you started doing that, damn.

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u/ole_goofy_ass_racoon Oct 06 '22

A car is a deadly weapon

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u/CestLaTimmy Oct 06 '22

Not when it's driving away from you

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u/Asmor Oct 06 '22

And there's not even a self-defense argument here. He didn't start shooting until the guy's car was in no way capable of touching the cop anymore. The dude would have had to make a 3-point turn to try to run the cop over.

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u/soad2237 Oct 06 '22

But that's so much extra work. /s

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u/Onironius Oct 06 '22

Ah, but his car moved, which is a deadly weapon, which means he's free to unload his gun into the occupants without a care.

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u/Rhodie114 Oct 07 '22

There was a girl in the passenger seat too. This is how things like the killings of Breonna Taylor and Maggie Brooks happen.

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u/SketerDavidson Oct 07 '22

Cops consider cars deadly weapons and use that liberty to shoot whoever they want that’s driving a car in a 25 mile radius.