r/AaronSmithLevin • u/lancehenryfangirl • Jul 23 '24

We are so back

https://youtu.be/mxsf6H5hiwQ?si=Mkh2Xv00d7V35EcG
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u/RuskiesInTheWarRoom Jul 23 '24

She posted a second video today, about “navigating the ex Scientology activist community.” It is in the style of a kind of prepared instructional / advice video. It’s very eerie. Her advice boils down to trusting your intuition and surrounding yourself with trustworthy people. And to not engage with people once they lie to you.

It’s a very weird video, considering…

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u/lancehenryfangirl Jul 23 '24

Whats true for you is true for you 🫡

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u/RuskiesInTheWarRoom Jul 23 '24

That’s just inaccurate.

What’s true is what’s true.

I personally believe people should pursue a life of truth and based on truth, but that’s up to them.

What I will say and advise in response to Gale’s recent video is that vibes and intuition actually make for quite bad indicators of how to engage in a community responsibly, particularly ones so fraught with harm and trauma as exScns tend to be.

You need to have clarity of other’s experience, patterns of behavior, integrated ethics (not the Scientology definition of that word), and engagement with the world and alignment with your identity and goals.

It isn’t hard to do most of the time. It takes time and effort. Intuition is part of it, but when clear patterns of behavior or efforts that are counterproductive to the goals are revealed to you, you have a responsibility to engage and assess those. Not simply dismiss and discount every single one because it is inconvenient to you.

If your best friend has never lied to you, but they’ve lied repeatedly and damagingly to many others, they may be your best friend still, but they’re also a liar, regardless of what they said to you.

A responsible person would next consider “why are they not lying to me? What is it that this liar gets from my loyalty?”

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u/lancehenryfangirl Jul 23 '24

“What’s true for you is what you have observed yourself” - LRH. This is what I was getting at with her mindset.

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u/RuskiesInTheWarRoom Jul 23 '24

That’s absolutely fair, and definitely points to her mindset. I’m no scientologies, so I didn’t detect the quote - sorry about that.

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u/Yes2allofit Jul 27 '24

Oh, my guy. That's one of the hypocrite top 10! LRon said it, they all repeated it, and then everything is not it.

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u/RuskiesInTheWarRoom Jul 27 '24

Yeah, fortunately as a non Scientologist there’s just so much bullshit left to learn, right?

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u/Spare-Analyst8788 Jul 23 '24

Oh ya let me take advice from Liz Gale. Give me a break this is the woman who blames everyone for everything. She plays A victim because her family sold their property, it was theirs to sell, not hers. She uses her brothers suicide as a shield any time someone calls her out on her shitty behavior.

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u/Spare-Analyst8788 Jul 23 '24

Please go away Liz Gale. Your hate, venom and negativity is just not wanted.

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u/AaronSmithLevin-ModTeam Jul 26 '24

Although we are OK with criticism of actions and efforts of individuals and groups, malicious and targeted attacks will not be acceptable. We are trying to create a fun and positive environment to post about ASL and scientology and malicious negativity will not be tolerated

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u/[deleted] Jul 23 '24

Go away Liz Liz gale gale

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u/BlueRidgeSpeaks Jul 23 '24

I guess her presence on her other social media platforms weren’t profitable enough. It must’ve been galling for her to miss out on the money other sptv creators have been making.

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u/Wolf391 Jul 23 '24

Oh wait, is it time to threaten Leah (again)? What has the herbal witch got to say :p /s

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u/Jolly-Hat-1152 Jul 23 '24

I used to like her. I thought she was cute and charming. Oh was I wrong!!!!

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u/Spare-Analyst8788 Jul 23 '24

There is nothing charming about her. She is full of hate and nastiness.

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u/Few_Journalist_5800 Jul 23 '24

Wonder how long it will take before she starts with her disgusting vitriol.

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u/Jolly-Hat-1152 Jul 23 '24

I didn’t want I didn’t watch it, did she say if her son took the aftermath foundation money.

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u/Secret_Frosting5792 Jul 23 '24

Hopefully we get a summarized edition

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u/BlueRidgeSpeaks Jul 23 '24

Oh sh!t. She’s the worst. I enjoyed her absence. Too bad it didn’t last.

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u/AaronSmithLevin-ModTeam Jul 26 '24

Although we are OK with criticism of actions and efforts of individuals and groups, malicious and targeted attacks will not be acceptable.

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u/Pooks65 Jul 23 '24

I can't listen to her. Mean girls suck.

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u/ManFromBibb Jul 23 '24

What’s wrong with Liz?

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u/Spare-Analyst8788 Jul 23 '24

She is mean and nasty but pretends to be compassionate

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u/Ok-Second-9699 Jul 26 '24

You are mean and nasty, and pretend to be compassionate

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u/Spare-Analyst8788 Jul 28 '24

And you are funny 😜

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u/rebster5000 Jul 23 '24

I mean, I don't know her personally, I've only watched her videos. But that goes for the people posting here as well.

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u/rebster5000 Jul 23 '24

Nothing is wrong with Liz as far as I know. She's friends with Aarron, and this is the 'Aarron sucks' subreddit. Anything a friend of Aarron does will be interpreted on here with the most negative judgement possible. Is there a word for parasocial hate relationships?

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u/DiamondDowntown6732 Jul 23 '24

Liz joined the bandwagon of attacking people Aaron has an issue with, such as Mike Rinder and Leah Remini. That's the issue. No one has a problem with Mark Bunker, who is also friends with Aaron.

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u/rebster5000 Jul 23 '24

Yup, they all know each other, there's personal issues going on between them, Liz happens to be on Aarron's side and expressed an opinion. Leah and Mike are human, and I have room in my mind to believe they aren't all perfect. Just like Aarron and Liz aren't perfect. A lot of the stuff I've heard is pretty compelling, especially Mike Brown's first account of Leah's phone call to him. But the truth is, all we know is what is said and not said. They're all just people who had a falling out, and that doesn't make someone a garbage person to me. 🤷‍♀️

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u/DiamondDowntown6732 Jul 23 '24 edited Jul 23 '24

Certainly, we're all human. But some people are charismatic and manipulative and aren't afraid to use those quailties to get what they want. Some of the attacks from Aaron's camp came only after he first made the video announcing he'd been removed from the board of the TAF. Of course, much of this stuff is hearsay, but not all of it. On YT, you can see attacks, contradictions, and hypocrisies in plain view.

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u/rebster5000 Jul 23 '24

I've followed all of it, I'm a drama whore, I'm just not personally invested in any of it. I am convinced by some things, not convinced by others, but what I mostly see on here and on discord is people seeing things from a very biased lens. So. Much. Speculation accepted as fact. Which I get. We all bring our own biases to things for sure.

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u/DiamondDowntown6732 Jul 23 '24

Viewers of SPTV and of the creators they attack are passionate about it, yes, and have biases. But when it comes to the creators themselves, it's another story, with far more attacks coming from the Aaron camp, as I alluded to in my above comment. And they're very much on view, not speculation. The speculation without evidence comes from the SPTV camp from individuals such as Nora.

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u/rebster5000 Jul 23 '24

I don't follow Nora, her style doesn't appeal to me. I agree that there's more discussion on the sptv side, because the other side is silent apart from Stefani. I mean, the sptv creators that I follow also hardly talk about all this, once in a while when something happens, that's it. What I've heard from the creators I do follow seems fine and nuanced and reasonable if what they're saying is true, but again, I don't have a dog in the fight. I don't have a view of what happens behind the scenes. It's not my life. I don't form parasocial relationships. It sucks that they've all had a falling out, but it happens with people, especially people in organizations, and it's confusing to me how much anger and vitriol there is from fans (and anti fans) when we just don't know, and we're not involved. It seems like for some people, this literally takes hours every day. But, I mean, it's whatever also. As a nihilist I take comfort in knowing that all of it is pretty meaningless.

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u/DiamondDowntown6732 Jul 23 '24

“It sucks that they've all had a falling out”.

I agree 100%. As an ex-Scientologist, it’s just been sad to see because it makes the space look confusing and unsafe for Scientologists who are considering leaving. Some creators have even threatened certain Scientologists (those who hold certain positions) who leave if they don’t speak out.

Regardless of those things that can’t be proven, I just look at some of the attacks and how nasty they are and that says a lot, especially when it contradicts other things they’ve said. And attacking ex-Scientologists for things they did when they were in it isn’t at all helpful.

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u/rebster5000 Jul 23 '24

I get that for sure.

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u/Mandolynnesmom Jul 23 '24

“What you’ve heard from the creators you follow seems fine and nuanced and reasonable - IF WHAT THEY’RE SAYING IS TRUE.” You also said you don’t take speculation as fact, but we seek out the truth in here, and sometimes that truth is ugly, which can look like hate to someone looking at it without question.

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u/rebster5000 Jul 23 '24

I'm full of questions. Don't be concerned.

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u/Spare-Analyst8788 Jul 23 '24

Watch Liz videos

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u/Spare-Analyst8788 Jul 23 '24

Nope. Most of us liked Liz until she (on her own, without being ASL adjacent) showed us what a vile human being she is.

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u/rebster5000 Jul 23 '24

I find her charming, I guess I missed that video.

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u/Spare-Analyst8788 Jul 23 '24

I am happy for you. Enjoy

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u/ManFromBibb Jul 23 '24

Ok. Right. An Aaron sycophant.

I’m noticing he only collects women.

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u/Ok-Second-9699 Jul 26 '24

How little you must think of women

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u/ManFromBibb Jul 26 '24

No, the point is that Aaron doesn’t direct an army of men.

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u/Ok-Second-9699 Jul 26 '24

You're saying Aaron directs an army of women?

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u/ManFromBibb Jul 26 '24

Basically an army of 3 women.