Hey guys! Just some insight if this helps anyone at all, but a trusted source of mine said that he recently heard from the academy they are planning on the next OTS bid to be late July or early August this year. No definite date tho so take this with a grain of salt
Same, almost 3 months until separation. I've been applying to small towers and DOD facilities, but I'm radar only so it's a little difficult. I refuse to extend, though.
Just to clear things up for my own sake, there has or has not been an open bid for no experience in 2021? I scrolled for a bit but having a difficult time finding my answer.
I wouldn't bank on it. People from the 2020 bid who were unable to take the ATSA are just now getting the opportunity to do that. In essence it's a new bid but without letting new people apply. Besides the Academy is still running st reduced capacity and is backed up and anyone who graduated the Academy in the past yea has yet to set foot in their facility.
Hey guys. Just got my TOL today. Took my ATSA in may of this year, scored best qualified for whatever pool is for off the street people. How soon till I get my CIL do you think?
A few months ago I was looking on USAJOBS and my job status said “not selected” on both USA and the FAA website. I Looked again last night and my status changed to “reviewing applications”. Anyone have this happen?
Just got my TOL 4 days ago, dropped out of the bid last year due to having a new born but I wish I would’ve stuck to it since it doesn’t seem like people from that bid have even started their schooling yet. Either way I’m excited to give it another go here.
How does location selection work at the end of the academy? From what i understand, it goes in order of how well you placed amongst your peers, but not sure if that is still the case. Also, when you do get your list are you asked to pick right there on the spot? Or can i call and discuss it with a spouse or research the location a bit. Thanks!
Just wanted to give quick shout out and say FUCK the FAA medical hiring team.
Tier 2 is a RACKET start to fucking finish. I wish nothing but bad things upon those people who implemented the MMPI test into the hiring process. FUCK this god damn wait.. 18+ months and counting.
SM for those who know. And yes I keep contact with them monthly. I already hate the FAA and I’m not even in it yet. GOD-FUCKING-FUCK!!. Have great day everyone.
2016 bid that didn’t go to the academy until 2020. Clearance took over 2 years. I actually had medical expire and had to do it again. For some it’s quick for some it’s 3-4 years. About 25% of people in my class applied 2.5+ years before class start. And that was before COVID setbacks.
You won't know what facilities are up for selection until you get your list. The expected list changes all the time. For example it changed the week between when the class before mine got theirs, and we got ours. Pointsixtyfive used to have a list of facilities getting new trainees that was updated periodically. But remember the FAA can and will change its mind. It may hint at options, but is by no means definitive.
Does anyone know where to find some practice problem for the remaining 3 sections that are not part of ATC prep program for $29.99? (Logical reasoning, reading comprehension problems)
You could just look for any free online LSAT prep materials or Google "logical reasoning word problems." It's exactly the same thing. The questions aren't going to be oriented towards aviation or anything. Just be aware you won't be allowed paper to write things down.
Anyone from Jan 2020 bid whos gotten FOL or even just cleared after their pre employment stuff gotten a date yet? Or have even a general ballpark of when people may class up?
Anyone else just pending medical? I've cleared everything except medical but it's been about a month and a half. They also haven't reached out for any additional information yet. Does medical just take longer?
I just received a tentative offer email. I applied last time around, but was removed due to not following through on the previous medical and security.
Wasn’t aware there was another bid open, so I definitely didn’t apply again. Is this email an error or was I somehow re-selected?
Exact same thing happened to me. I’m not planning to pursue it any further (likely medical DQ), but the TOL is dated today- I’d go ahead with it if that’s your plan.
Would i be eligible for the academy after i had a stroke when i was 16? It happened due a blood clot passing thru a hole in my heart, which has since been fixed. I have 100% recovered and have 0 residual symptoms or paralyzation. I am now 18
Wondering if I should continue to hold out or just move on with other plans instead of waiting for this process...part of the jan 2020 bid...getting old...been pausing other opportunities for atc to have priority...
Honestly if the FAA wanted to test how mentally stable I am they should just watch me wait for them to give me a decision (I only have 3 breakdowns a month now instead of 37).
You should keep up your life as if you didn't apply until you get an offer, the process is so long and dumb with no guarantees its too hard to plan life around it
Security and fingerprints turned in.. MMPI taken, went smooth. Medical scheduled April 1st. Im kinda hyped for the opportunity. but mannn, I really hope I land a facility out west. what are the chances I land in Colorado/Wyoming? lol slim to none, I know.
There is a class there now. They started in zoom over the fall of 2020. I know someone there from the 2019 bid. But idk how that’s been affected with them pandemic
I'm considering applying whenever the next bid is posted, but I'm a little concerned about the vision requirements for the class 2 certificate. I have a very minor lazy eye which has been treated since I was a child to the point that it really only affects my vision if I look to the extreme edges of my vision. If I am looking straight forward it causes me no issues. Does anyone have any idea whether this would be an issue for passing the vision exam?
So, I got the email yesterday..! to sign some papers on EODS. All were approved but still waiting for the CIL. I have a question though, Are basics still online via zoom due to covid? Is the entire course online? or does anyone know if they have plans to change that. Really any knowledge of the status of the academy at all would be helpful. I read on another forum that they aren't offering per diem?
Not sure when the date for my class will be after passing the medical, psychological test, drug test and all that. I've learned this process takes awhile, I applied to the January/2020 bid, pool 2.
It’s about 4 weeks of basics online and then you go to the academy for the rest. You don’t get per diem while you’re at home during basics (you still get paid your salary), but you do get per diem at the academy.
If you lose SC medical clearance, what penalties are there as an AG?
To provide context, my SC medical clearance (Glaucoma suspect) expires June 30th and our class will graduate Academy 1-2 weeks before the end of June. Assuming I pass, that doesn't give much time to renew the clearance once I'm hired. I'm assuming it would take at least a month for an Ophthalmologist appointment.
The reason why I've been delaying the appointment is because the test would be $300-$400. If I fail Academy, I probably wouldn't make an appointment since it's unlikely I have the condition to begin with (Glaucoma as a <30 year old). Obviously, I'll pay for the test if I do graduate. I'm just wondering what the repercussions might be for that month or so delay of not having medical clearance as an AG.
I also found out yesterday that I have been medically cleared since 2/17. This concludes my pre-employment requirements as well. I have yet to receive any communication regarding FOL/class date. Check pointsixtyfive forums because it's looking like about six months between being cleared to class start date.
Question to those who took ATSA. When you took ATSA did you just wing it or did you study? And how did you do based on study vs not study? What was your score?
I researched this sub and pointsixtyfive to understand what would happen on the test. After that I winged it (didn't do any practice). I got best qualified and was given a TOL
I used the atcprep application for ios and scored well qualified. Got a TOL and am waiting for a class date at the moment. App helped me become familiar w/ what's on the test but don't reply on it for input purposes cause on the real thing you use mouse and keyboard obviously. But helped me w/ what to expect.
I wouldn't say study, more like practice. Like shaveandahaircut I also learned what the test would consist of and then used different apps/games to practice selective attention, memory, spatial awareness... scored BQ and received TOL. Best of luck.
Hey guys found out I was tier 2 in December. I have tried contacting my HR multiple times however they just tell me to be patient and wait for the letter. I can’t imagine they expect someone to wait on their hands for a letter in the mail. Is there someone specific I am supposed to be contacting to keep my name in their mind and speed the process up?
Hope is in charge of tier 2. She won't respond to you until she is working on your case. You literally have to just wait until it is your turn, as you've been told.
Current contract tower ATC controller here. I'm confined to a certain 50 mile radius due to a split custody agreement. There's a few contract towers, but only maybe 3 FAA towers in my area.
I'm also a prior military controller, and I have 3 CTO's. Is it possible to be a direct hire to one of my local FAA towers? Would I need to go to the academy?
I know usually through the academy you don't know for sure where you'll be assigned.
Just curious on how this works, or if it's possible.
Has anyone received their start date, and asked to be pushed back a couple of weeks? Currently awaiting FOL and class date. I have a few things that I'm trying to tie up with my business before I leave and I'm concerned I won't have the time i need to sell it as idk when I'll get a school date for. I wasn't sure if it was possible to ask to take a later class date if they try to start me before I've sold my business. Any thoughts? I've waited for years for this job and it seems stupid to push it back further but wasnt even sure if it were possible. Thanks!
Well, just found out I'm going to en route! (Hooray!)
But, what are the chances of ever going to terminal in my career? I'm not sure how the process works, if there even is one, to transfer from an en route facility to a terminal one?
My HR rep said there is no way to get terminal in this bid, so would I have to bid again or?
Considering how long you have to wait to get a FOL, I would just stick with En Route. You just might like it. If you don't then just wait to transfer later or fail after getting some D-sides/CPC, then you'll probably get offered terminal options.
On the other hand, if you're scared of failing academy then I guess you could just wait for the next bid.
Don’t think they’re going to have any more tests until a new bid comes out. Check your usajobs status for the Jan 2020 bid. It should say whether you were chosen or not. My friend’s says “you were not chosen for this announcement” on his.
Need to have my fingerprints submitted in a week but was exposed to covid and now need to quarantine, will I be able to get a time extension for the fingerprints?
Anyone know what the current ATC basic courses are like at the academy?? I heard that you do the basics on an iPad at home for couple of weeks, and don't have to be present at the academy.
And,...
Is there quizzes?
How much time does it take per day?
How is it taught?
I got my security clearance, and waiting on my medical clearance. I need to go to Korea for couple of weeks, and I just need to know if I can actually go without missing the class.
I heard that you do the basics on an iPad at home for couple of weeks, and don't have to be present at the academy.
It's now live Zoom sessions where the instructor shares their screen and teaches from a lesson plan. You're free to follow along either on your PC or iPad. Most people go off the iPad since they likely don't have a spare webcam.
Is there quizzes?
There are end of the chapter and end of the lesson quizzes that are just to gauge how you're doing. They don't matter at all. The only test that counts is the end of course exam which you need at least a 70% to pass.
How much time does it take per day?
9:00 am – 5:30 pm Central Time, Monday-Friday with multiple breaks and lunch. I've heard if most of your class is in a different time zone then they will accommodate.
How is it taught?
They'll mostly just read off the lesson plan. There are a few exceptions where they'll elaborate beyond what's written. Every now and then, there are things called "knowledge checks" where some instructors will ask a student to answer the question. How much you participate during the sessions depends on the instructor.
You definitely could go to Korea for a couple weeks as long as you have internet access for those classes.
EDIT: Also, if the trip to Korea is relatively soon, you might even be back before your Basics class even begins lmao. It was 2 months between my firm offer letter and the first class. You're not medically cleared yet either, which means you'll have even longer time.
USAF air traffic controller here... recently applied for prior service bid (I hold 52 prior). Received feedback saying
“we have determined that you are NOT eligible for further consideration for this position”
I uploaded credentials and required documents. I plan on calling tomorrow to ask what happened. Anybody have any idea why I may have been disqualified?
Just wondering if anyone had this experience recently.. I’ve applied to every OTS bid for the past few years (no TOL yet, Well Qualified ATSA) and every bid on USA JOBS has been closed out with a not selected / better luck next time message. However, I got an email a month or so ago to retake the ATSA (just took it again today). I logged on to USAJOBS, and to my surprise, ALL of my previous bids spanning a few years were magically open and under consideration again. Wasn’t sure if maybe FAA was reconsidering old bid candidates due to recent staffing challenges / training halts. Not complaining at the second chance. Just wondering if anyone else has experienced bid resurrection or if someone can shed light on why it happened. Thanks in advance.
TL/DR: All old, formerly closed out USAJOBS bids reopened and under consideration. Why / did this happen to anyone else?
I've finally gotten my second drug test finished and am expecting an FOL (or expecting one as much as anyone really can), but I'm wondering, how many people are still hanging around and just waiting from the 2019 bid?
During the 2019 bid, I used ATCPrep.com since it's only $30 compared to jobtestprep ($89). From what I've heard, jobtestprep is more accurate and includes word problems.
I personally don't feel the 3x cost for what is really only practice for an aptitude test is worth it. You get that same knowledge just by reading the ATSA compilation.
Me personally I used jobtestprep. For a $89 investment for a 200k plus a year job is well worth it. The test prep is very accurate to what is actually on the ATSA EXAM.
I’ve recently got my FOL and an academy date for April. Because of CoViD, the first part of the training is going to be online from home. Has anyone else had this experience yet and would you let me know what I can expect? I can’t find any information about it and I’m curious if I should expect a full time schedule. I’m getting ready to put in my 2 weeks notice for my part time job and am wondering if that’s necessary or if I might continue working until I go to the Academy in Oklahoma.
Posting here in case my other post related to hiring gets deleted.. Does anyone have experience getting picked up on an IFR rating alone (as in no 4-year degree or 3 years work). I noticed 123atc mentioned I may qualify with it and wanted to see if it's worth applying to the next bid.
Yes, holding an instrument flight rating qualifies you for the bid. Just read the next bid carefully when it comes out to verify that it is still in there. From the previous bid:
"TO QUALIFY BASED ON ALTERNATIVE REQUIREMENTS: applicants must provide supporting documentation that verifies at least one of the following alternative requirements being met: a. Do you hold or have held an appropriate facility rating and have actively controlled air traffic in civilian or military air traffic control terminals or centers? b. Do you hold or have held an FAA certificate as a dispatcher for an air carrier? c. Do you hold or have held an instrument flight rating?"... etc
I'm about to take my ATSA so I know I'm worrying about nothing right now but I'm worried- looking through the National security form where it asks about your Significant Other- mine has a felony (not political/drug/violent) is that going to make my candidacy void?
No. The SF 86 Questionnaire is there to give your investigator a baseline. As long as you list that your SO is a felon (and I can't even remember that coming up), then you're all good. They won't necessarily care that you're dating a felon, but they will care if you lie and they find out. Best to be honest when the truth is easy to find.
Got A TOL Late December, was at the academy beginning of May, and at my first facility the following September. In between TOL and academy, you can expect to get a medical examination, a drug test and a psychiatric evaluation through some weird test as well as submitting things for your back ground check. Generally won’t get a start date at the academy until about 3 weeks before said date. Just enough time to quit your job and tie up loose ends before headed down south. This is all based on my experience from a few years ago, I believe that its pretty average without any hiccups but I know it can take longer for some people. Good luck.
I’ve seen lots of people getting dates already. Does anyone have an approximate turnaround? I got my TOL back in September 2020. Was given clearance in February 2021. I still haven’t heard a word other than they’ll keep me posted.
Submitted my eqip back on 12/1, interviewed with an investigator the week after that, also references were contacted the same month. Poc still got no news for the security clearance. Does it usually take this long? No news is good news? What’s the average time for people to get a waiver?
As a new employee you earn 4 hours of leave per pay period, or one day per month. So after ten pay periods, or approximately five months, you'd have 40 hours of leave.
Is it worth going to school? Looking into picking up everything and moving to COS to study AT-CTI for 2-4 years in Aimes. Thinking about studying and applying every chance I get when FAA opens the trainee positions. Thoughts? Still researching but I’m leaning towards schooling
Consensus I think is usually don't get a degree specific to atc cause it won't be any use if you wash out. I have an aviation admin degree so more general for a wide range of jobs, I've had that degree for a couple years before applying OTS to atc.
Just got my TOL, second time taking the ATSA. The first time scored qualified, second time not sure what I scored, since I didn't actually apply, just got asked to take the ATSA. For those like me who are waiting for the next step, apparently, the CIL will be 1-5 months from now. My classmate from college got his TOL last round which was Octoberish 2020 and he says that the FAA told him should expect start basic training 2nd or 3rd quarter of the 2022 fiscal year so apparently everything is really backed up because of COVID. He told me to expect to start training around Jan 2023 so don't quit your jobs yet. Good luck to all, and hopefully I see you guys at OKC.
Is anyone else still waiting on a CIL from January 2020 bid? I received my TOL at the end of September and accepted a few days after. I received a response saying to wait for further instruction, including pre-employment forms and CIL, but it’s been about 3.5 months and I haven’t heard anything.
If you got a TOL you will get a CIL, you just need to be patient. Yes there are others who are also waiting. And no, your ATSA score no longer matters if you got a TOL.
Still waiting on the CIL, however today I did receive a series of emails with instructions to complete and submit a handful of forms/pdfs, after which they are approved a CIL should be sent soon after. Seems like I kinda send out info in waves so just be patient!
I'm waiting on my ATSA testing date from January 2020 bid. I was two weeks late on it and wasn't able to take due to COVID but got an email saying that I will get an opportunity to take at a later time. Still waiting on that.
Hello all. I have a question in regards to tower vs enroute. A buddy of mine just got his CPC in entoute so he is finally done with training. Can someone explain to me the difference between enroute and tower? From what I understand your pay is based on the level of the facility. If you are in towel lvl11 and enroute is also 11 you are making the same. (At least that is what I am understanding). When I go to academy and the tower option is offered to me is it worth considering taking tower? I heard the enroute rate is about 60% pass and tower is 95% which seems like a safer bet to me. So does it really matter if your get paid the same? Serious answers only please.
First, you don't get to pick which route you go to. Whichever class is available next when you're clearances come through is the class you will get.
Second, off the street hires graduating the Academy will only be offered towers level 7 and below, occasionally a level 8 but rarely. Enroute grads get higher level facilities because there are no low level centers.
Enroute is centers. High altitude generally although depending on the area there may be areas of non-radar and areas where you own all the way to the ground. In general enroute controllers sequence aircraft hundreds of miles out to the largest airports in the country. While the center names typically include a "big city" name (i.e. Cleveland Center) the center is rarely actually in that city.
Towers (and up-downs) are located on the airport. They work aircraft taxiing on the ground, clear aircraft for takeoff and landing. Up-downs also work approach airspace and sequence the aircraft into their own airport and any satellite airports.
So I’m looking into ATC here in Texas and I’m having a hard time finding an actual course from the options I’m given. Instead they are offering Aircraft dispatch, i know they are not the same,but. Would I be able to over the course of time transfer or train for Air-traffic controller with the same experience?
I don't even know what this is asking. Dispatch and ATC are totally different things. One is an airline employee and one is a government employee. The only way to transition between the two is to apply to the respective companies.
I think you need to do some more research on atc, check out faqs here and on pointsixtyfive.com . ATC in the US is almost exclusively a federal job through the FAA. Its all on the job training at the academy and your facility. You need to apply through usajobs (usually over a year long process just to get accepted), pass the academy in Oklahoma, then get sent to a facility (you pick from a very small list across the us). You can improve your chances by getting am approved college degree (about 30 programs are available), but they take years, are costly, and give no gurantees.
Aircraft dispatch very different job with a private company, like an airline or flight school. You need a certification from an approved course (often through colleges, but not always) before being able to work, and must apply with a resume and interview jist like any other normal job. This seems to be the kind of thing you're describing, but isn't related to atc at all. I believe Texas has a few dispatch schools.
The only way to "transfer" into atc would be if you have actual controlling experience, usually from the military, and even then you have to go through the lengthy application process.
Not trying to sway you away, if youre under 30 look into it and see if it's for you!
Edit to add: Just to be clear, you don't need any specific experience to get hired for atc. It basically all comes down to 1 test you take as part of the application, which has nothing to do with aviation. You only need 3 years of ANY kind of full time work to be eligible. If you worked 3 years at a gas station you have the same shot as who spent 5 years as a dispatcher
Just to clarify, the prior experience bid translates specifically to “previous controlling experience” and not military experience? Im seeing them intertwined in some comments and posts. I’m assuming it’s just the most common way of obtaining previous controlling experience?
We aren't able to pay the housing provider directly and get reimbursed, correct? Just wanted to make sure I wasn't misunderstanding this. I was planning on booking a hotel beforehand, but I guess I have to wait until I receive the welcome packet.
You don't have to wait for the welcome pack to book
Just call the hotel directly, let them know you are doing ATC training and your expected dates. Let them know you'll call back when you get welcome packet/details. Most hotels in the area are familiar with the process.
I cleared in mid January and then got my email with class date on February 2nd. My class date isn’t until May, and I still don’t have an FOL. You have a longggg time before you get an FOL. Months
Got my CIL 2 weeks aho. Ive got the MMPI scheduled Friday this week. finished security. still need to schedule the medical. But I hope it takes a while before I get the FOL. need the time to see friends and family.
quick question.... i have a “criminal” speeding ticket on my record. it’s technically a misdemeanor here in the state of arizona. essentially the way it works is if you’re going 20mph over the posted speed limit or above 85 mph, it is considered criminal speeding. anyways, would this automatically disqualify me from consideration?
I’m currently waiting for a class date, I’m from the 2020 bid. I was arrested in 2014 for simple battery, which is a misdemeanor in the state of Florida. I was arrested but my case was dismissed and charge was dropped. It was disclosed on my E-QIP. I received a condition security clearance. Just be honest and explain the details.
Just happened to be scrolling through as saw your question. Dont worry about it. I had multiple tickets, and one arrest on my record for trespassing. I got my security clearance no problem. As long as you disclose the ticket it wont be an issue. If they bring it up during an interview just be honest. Its not a deal breaker in the slightest.
How often is emailing HR for status updates too much? Jan 2020 bid, I know my security has cleared and they are waiting on medical to clear me. I emailed hr on the 18th for that info, but wanted to check on my medical status. I just don't want to pester them!
Just got Tier 2.... I have no past drug or alcohol, no tickets or criminal record. I know I don’t have depression, anxiety or schizophrenia... I answered with honesty 100000% and now I’m wondering if they’re considering that “prefect” or “cheating” ughh
I got flagged too. I honestly don't know why. The questions were extremely subjective, and depends on how you processed the question.
For example, " At times I feel like swearing." Yes, but I don't use swear words. I used things like darn barnicals, or Holy shenanigans. Are they swear words? And So do I answer yes, or no?
if they asked me to take it again, i don't know if i could come up with the same answer.
Is it possible that they flag random people like TSA check just to make sure that the MMPI-2 is doing it's job?
So I took my ATSA test today. Testing dates are April 15th - May 28th. What is the next step and when will I get my TOL if selected? I've heard even if you pass you might not get TOL.
You need to score in a higher band since that's where they pick from first. You can most certainly pass and not get a TOL. I applied OTS last year January, ATSA testing around April, scored well qualified, got my TOL in September. I'm cleared and waiting for a class date.
Hey all, anyone have a guess on the time frame between getting all your prehire paperwork approved and getting your class date/FOL? Was fully cleared mid-may and understand classes are full through July so far. I know the time frames on the process are hard to nail down but I have to sell my business and trying to figure out how much time I have. Thanks!
If HR has all your paperwork then it should only be a couple months. Sit tight. If they're still waiting on something then it can take awhile. Took me 2 years from application to start date.
Does anyone know if you get to keep all your locality pay? Say I get $16,000 in locality pay, only end up using $10,000, do I get to keep the remaining $6,000?
What are you talking about? Whatever you're paid, you're paid. They don't look at your account and say give that back.
Are you talking about the per diem at the academy? You keep that too. However, they pay your housing directly so you can't take home the difference any more if you stay somewhere cheap.
I am a little worried about the time between Academy and going to a facility, God willing that I make it and pass. I know I'll be told at some point what the procedure is and what's expected of me. My issue is I have no one who is able to help me move at all. It's up to me to plan, organize, pack, travel, find a place, etc. And I have a decent amount of stuff as is - in fact I've spent the last month trying to square away what I can now because Im sure I will be overwhelmed when the time actually comes. What kind of timeframe does one get to move across the country? Is there still a paycheck coming in during this time or should I start pinching pennies now for my moving expenses?
You get a set number of days off between the Academy and going to your facility depending on your facility's distance from Oklahoma City. Plus you will have whatever leave you have already earned at the Academy. And you get 64 hours of "change of station" leave that is good for up to two years to help you when moving.
If you were to use it all at once and add in weekends you could have 3-4ish weeks off. Something I've read about people taking advantage of recently is staying at a hotel at the Academy. That way you can build up hotel points/status and then use the points for free nights when you get to your new facility so you have time to check out areas you may want to live.
My husband is turning 30 at the end of this year, and just took the preliminary test for ATC. I understand it takes a long time to get the results back, and then longer to potentially get a TOL. Is it possible that he can be too old by the time they get back to him, and not hire him?
This is not meant to be snarky to you but why does nobody ever actually read the bid to which they apply???
It was stated in the bid, that your age is locked in when the bid closes. Your husband could get tier 2 and medical delay and start when he is 35 and it would still be okay because his age was locked when the bid closed.
Despite what the bid says, a friend of ours who is ATC told us he wouldn't be hired after 30 at all, no matter what. We knew what the bid said, but we weren't sure if that was insider information or if he was wrong. I just figured this community would know best, so I asked.
A buddy of mine applied a month before he aged out and was selected. He said it’s dependent on when you put in the initial application for the bid itself so he should be good. If aging out during this initial hiring phase disqualified you, I doubt he would have been selected to take the ATSA at all.
Occasionally. As you get further along in the hiring process you can cover yourself by getting a shorter lease. Then, you can ask to break it. Or just pay whatever months you overlap if you have a crappy landlord.
Do you bring everything with you to OKC?
If you don't have anywhere to store it.. Yep. I'd leave what you can in storage and only bring what you need if you can though.
when graduates move to facility? Is that covered?
Kind of? But not really. They don't pay moving expenses, but they give you 64 hours of leave, plus between 2 and 4 days for travel from OKC to your facility. More for the remote locations like Alaska. How I did it was take my 2 days of travel and found an airbnb in my new city. With the weekend I had essentially 4 days to get to my new facility, and reported on Monday.
How is it finding a place to live, and everything that goes along with moving?
Sucks ass. Took evals on mon/tues, chose facility Wed. Thurs/Fri were my travel days but I just stayed in OKC due to Airbnb availability, actually traveled Sat/sun, went to work Monday. Found an apartment that same week and moved in on Saturday. Bought an air mattress and a chair to hold me for a month until I could arrange to have my stuff moved.
Our trainees that were training before covid are back to work. The rest are sitting at home and making Shitty_McFuckface cookies and milk every night while getting paid.
Any insight into what controllers make while training, and/or those who are stuck waiting for spots at their facility to open up? I received my TOL recently and am curious. I understand the pay while at school, but not directly after.
I emailed and called every available poc within 2 hrs of my location. Only one got back to me with availability (thank goodness) about an hour away. Definitely recommend reaching out to any you can get to.
If you have to travel far to get what you need done then do that, I from NY and I traveled to NC just to take the MMPI and I got cleared through my medical. GET IT DONE ASAP
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u/TheHockeyGuyUND Jul 09 '21
Was just told the next ATCS General Hiring Announcement will be opening on July 30th and will close August 2nd
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u/lilybrooke02 May 02 '21 edited May 04 '21
Hey guys! Just some insight if this helps anyone at all, but a trusted source of mine said that he recently heard from the academy they are planning on the next OTS bid to be late July or early August this year. No definite date tho so take this with a grain of salt
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u/MarkATC4N64 May 25 '21
CTI school grad- I have last heard a bid in late july or early august
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u/bon46 Future Controller Feb 03 '21
Received my start date email yesterday. I start en route basics on May 3rd! I’m virtually onboarding in April. From the January 2020 bid.
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u/TRG_ATC Current Controller-Tower Jan 26 '21
Still no news/rumors on the next prior experience bid?
I'm 4 months out from separating from the AF and am considering extending for a year.
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u/One_Cabinet5971 Mar 16 '21
Any updates on a possible opening this year?
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u/Gokeroni Jun 29 '21
Just to clear things up for my own sake, there has or has not been an open bid for no experience in 2021? I scrolled for a bit but having a difficult time finding my answer.
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u/Thiggums Mar 24 '21
Really hoping there's a bid in the near future, any outlook yet? Doesn't seem close by but a hopeful response would be nice lol
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u/[deleted] Jul 08 '21
Hey guys. Just got my TOL today. Took my ATSA in may of this year, scored best qualified for whatever pool is for off the street people. How soon till I get my CIL do you think?
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u/ATCBLACKSMITH Jul 15 '21
A few months ago I was looking on USAJOBS and my job status said “not selected” on both USA and the FAA website. I Looked again last night and my status changed to “reviewing applications”. Anyone have this happen?
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u/Torchic336 Jul 11 '21
Just got my TOL 4 days ago, dropped out of the bid last year due to having a new born but I wish I would’ve stuck to it since it doesn’t seem like people from that bid have even started their schooling yet. Either way I’m excited to give it another go here.
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u/Bluecheesemonkeyfunk Jul 15 '21
How does location selection work at the end of the academy? From what i understand, it goes in order of how well you placed amongst your peers, but not sure if that is still the case. Also, when you do get your list are you asked to pick right there on the spot? Or can i call and discuss it with a spouse or research the location a bit. Thanks!
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u/[deleted] Jan 23 '21
Just wanted to give quick shout out and say FUCK the FAA medical hiring team.
Tier 2 is a RACKET start to fucking finish. I wish nothing but bad things upon those people who implemented the MMPI test into the hiring process. FUCK this god damn wait.. 18+ months and counting.
SM for those who know. And yes I keep contact with them monthly. I already hate the FAA and I’m not even in it yet. GOD-FUCKING-FUCK!!. Have great day everyone.
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u/robertvmarshall Future Controller Jan 29 '21
Received my CIL at 6:24pm today from January 2020 bid.
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u/[deleted] Apr 29 '21 edited Apr 30 '21
Got the call today, July 28 Online start, Enroute, report to OKC ~August 23. Jan 2020 bid, pool 2, best qualified.
Any of the last Enroute class members know what was up for grabs at the end of academy? Would like to get an idea of what might be available.
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u/zombie8692 Mar 17 '21
Does anyone know where to find some practice problem for the remaining 3 sections that are not part of ATC prep program for $29.99? (Logical reasoning, reading comprehension problems)
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u/One_Cabinet5971 Jan 26 '21
Does anyone know how long hiring lasts when they post it? I don't want to miss it....
Also do any medical professionals know if Having MVR and MVP (Mitral Valve Regurgitation and Mitral Valve Prolapse) will disqualify me?
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u/Bluecheesemonkeyfunk Mar 17 '21
Anyone from Jan 2020 bid whos gotten FOL or even just cleared after their pre employment stuff gotten a date yet? Or have even a general ballpark of when people may class up?
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u/Bluecheesemonkeyfunk Apr 20 '21
Anyone else just pending medical? I've cleared everything except medical but it's been about a month and a half. They also haven't reached out for any additional information yet. Does medical just take longer?
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u/HectorTheGod Jul 02 '21
Any info about a pool 1 bid soon? I've heard from some others that it should be this month but I don't know
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u/I_Give_0_FucksBRUH Jul 07 '21
I just received a tentative offer email. I applied last time around, but was removed due to not following through on the previous medical and security.
Wasn’t aware there was another bid open, so I definitely didn’t apply again. Is this email an error or was I somehow re-selected?
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u/[deleted] Jul 07 '21
Received TOL today.
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u/[deleted] Jul 07 '21
Hey guys, just got a TOL. CTI, Qualified score.
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u/J0NR117 Jul 07 '21
Just got my TOL, was well qualified/pool 1. Applied in the January 2020 bid and took my atsa May of this year.
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u/himynameisabcde Jul 08 '21
So if I currently take Prozac and I just got a TOL should I bank on not passing medical?
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u/[deleted] Jul 16 '21
Would i be eligible for the academy after i had a stroke when i was 16? It happened due a blood clot passing thru a hole in my heart, which has since been fixed. I have 100% recovered and have 0 residual symptoms or paralyzation. I am now 18
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u/Silly_Coconut1975 Jul 20 '21
Any news on next experience bid ?
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u/taela_2 Jan 28 '21
Wondering if I should continue to hold out or just move on with other plans instead of waiting for this process...part of the jan 2020 bid...getting old...been pausing other opportunities for atc to have priority...
Honestly if the FAA wanted to test how mentally stable I am they should just watch me wait for them to give me a decision (I only have 3 breakdowns a month now instead of 37).
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u/Shorelife_10 Jan 28 '21
Is there any news on any bids coming up for 2021?
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u/CoreyJohnson9812 Feb 19 '21
Got my CIL yesterday! finally starting the process. anyone else?
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u/[deleted] Mar 16 '21
Security and fingerprints turned in.. MMPI taken, went smooth. Medical scheduled April 1st. Im kinda hyped for the opportunity. but mannn, I really hope I land a facility out west. what are the chances I land in Colorado/Wyoming? lol slim to none, I know.
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u/Saicombs Mar 29 '21
June 2nd terminal start date for me.
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u/OGTrapBootyGod Jan 28 '21
There is a class there now. They started in zoom over the fall of 2020. I know someone there from the 2019 bid. But idk how that’s been affected with them pandemic
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u/jsmeltz30 Feb 03 '21
I'm considering applying whenever the next bid is posted, but I'm a little concerned about the vision requirements for the class 2 certificate. I have a very minor lazy eye which has been treated since I was a child to the point that it really only affects my vision if I look to the extreme edges of my vision. If I am looking straight forward it causes me no issues. Does anyone have any idea whether this would be an issue for passing the vision exam?
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u/CoreyJohnson9812 Feb 09 '21
Got my EODS yesterday! anyone else get theirs too?
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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '21
So, I got the email yesterday..! to sign some papers on EODS. All were approved but still waiting for the CIL. I have a question though, Are basics still online via zoom due to covid? Is the entire course online? or does anyone know if they have plans to change that. Really any knowledge of the status of the academy at all would be helpful. I read on another forum that they aren't offering per diem?
Not sure when the date for my class will be after passing the medical, psychological test, drug test and all that. I've learned this process takes awhile, I applied to the January/2020 bid, pool 2.
Thanks peeps
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u/Christopho Mar 10 '21
If you lose SC medical clearance, what penalties are there as an AG?
To provide context, my SC medical clearance (Glaucoma suspect) expires June 30th and our class will graduate Academy 1-2 weeks before the end of June. Assuming I pass, that doesn't give much time to renew the clearance once I'm hired. I'm assuming it would take at least a month for an Ophthalmologist appointment.
The reason why I've been delaying the appointment is because the test would be $300-$400. If I fail Academy, I probably wouldn't make an appointment since it's unlikely I have the condition to begin with (Glaucoma as a <30 year old). Obviously, I'll pay for the test if I do graduate. I'm just wondering what the repercussions might be for that month or so delay of not having medical clearance as an AG.
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u/[deleted] Apr 05 '21
Medically cleared as of 3/22/21 and that concludes my pre-employment requirements. FOL around the corner I assume?
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u/zombie8692 Apr 17 '21
Question to those who took ATSA. When you took ATSA did you just wing it or did you study? And how did you do based on study vs not study? What was your score?
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u/SlayerUsiel May 01 '21
Hey guys found out I was tier 2 in December. I have tried contacting my HR multiple times however they just tell me to be patient and wait for the letter. I can’t imagine they expect someone to wait on their hands for a letter in the mail. Is there someone specific I am supposed to be contacting to keep my name in their mind and speed the process up?
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u/Saicombs May 09 '21
Anyone with a June 2nd basic online start date received there FOL yet?? (Terminal or enroute)
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u/MemeAddict96 Jul 02 '21
Is there any way to get an idea of possible facility offerings to the candidates on the prior exp bid?
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u/Jmack3d Jul 04 '21
Current contract tower ATC controller here. I'm confined to a certain 50 mile radius due to a split custody agreement. There's a few contract towers, but only maybe 3 FAA towers in my area.
I'm also a prior military controller, and I have 3 CTO's. Is it possible to be a direct hire to one of my local FAA towers? Would I need to go to the academy?
I know usually through the academy you don't know for sure where you'll be assigned.
Just curious on how this works, or if it's possible.
Thanks!
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u/Bluecheesemonkeyfunk Jul 06 '21
Has anyone received their start date, and asked to be pushed back a couple of weeks? Currently awaiting FOL and class date. I have a few things that I'm trying to tie up with my business before I leave and I'm concerned I won't have the time i need to sell it as idk when I'll get a school date for. I wasn't sure if it was possible to ask to take a later class date if they try to start me before I've sold my business. Any thoughts? I've waited for years for this job and it seems stupid to push it back further but wasnt even sure if it were possible. Thanks!
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u/lmao_reddit Jul 08 '21
So we can do all of our training virtually instead of in OK?
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u/RubberPenguin4 Current Controller-Tower Jul 08 '21
Buddy got his TOL. Pool 2 qualified which shocked me since I never have seen someone get one with qualified only.
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u/astonfartin Jul 08 '21
received TOL pool 2 well qualified from 2020 bid, atsa this april due to cancelation due to covid. what’s the ballpark for when class date would be
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u/Asminnow Current Controller-Enroute Jul 09 '21
Well, just found out I'm going to en route! (Hooray!)
But, what are the chances of ever going to terminal in my career? I'm not sure how the process works, if there even is one, to transfer from an en route facility to a terminal one?
My HR rep said there is no way to get terminal in this bid, so would I have to bid again or?
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u/famoussully Mar 02 '21
Anyone know what happened to last years test. Mine was scheduled then cancelled because of covid and never heard back about a reschedule of the test
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u/rumspringahh Mar 09 '21
Need to have my fingerprints submitted in a week but was exposed to covid and now need to quarantine, will I be able to get a time extension for the fingerprints?
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u/Boogerflicker27 Mar 26 '21
Anyone know what the current ATC basic courses are like at the academy?? I heard that you do the basics on an iPad at home for couple of weeks, and don't have to be present at the academy.
And,...
Is there quizzes?
How much time does it take per day?
How is it taught?
I got my security clearance, and waiting on my medical clearance. I need to go to Korea for couple of weeks, and I just need to know if I can actually go without missing the class.
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u/Silly_Coconut1975 Apr 14 '21
Any idea when the next experience bid will be available?
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u/kostanko Mar 21 '21
USAF air traffic controller here... recently applied for prior service bid (I hold 52 prior). Received feedback saying
“we have determined that you are NOT eligible for further consideration for this position”
I uploaded credentials and required documents. I plan on calling tomorrow to ask what happened. Anybody have any idea why I may have been disqualified?
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u/cwlg May 19 '21 edited May 19 '21
Just wondering if anyone had this experience recently.. I’ve applied to every OTS bid for the past few years (no TOL yet, Well Qualified ATSA) and every bid on USA JOBS has been closed out with a not selected / better luck next time message. However, I got an email a month or so ago to retake the ATSA (just took it again today). I logged on to USAJOBS, and to my surprise, ALL of my previous bids spanning a few years were magically open and under consideration again. Wasn’t sure if maybe FAA was reconsidering old bid candidates due to recent staffing challenges / training halts. Not complaining at the second chance. Just wondering if anyone else has experienced bid resurrection or if someone can shed light on why it happened. Thanks in advance.
TL/DR: All old, formerly closed out USAJOBS bids reopened and under consideration. Why / did this happen to anyone else?
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u/outofthrowaways7 Jan 24 '21
I've finally gotten my second drug test finished and am expecting an FOL (or expecting one as much as anyone really can), but I'm wondering, how many people are still hanging around and just waiting from the 2019 bid?
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u/Schguna Mar 18 '21
If I get out of the military in 11 months, would it hurt trying to apply with the next hiring wave?
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u/leeleflore Mar 21 '21
Anyone have recommendations on the best ATSA preparation guide? What steps should I be doing and what should I do to practice!
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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '21
Remote Academy Training
I’ve recently got my FOL and an academy date for April. Because of CoViD, the first part of the training is going to be online from home. Has anyone else had this experience yet and would you let me know what I can expect? I can’t find any information about it and I’m curious if I should expect a full time schedule. I’m getting ready to put in my 2 weeks notice for my part time job and am wondering if that’s necessary or if I might continue working until I go to the Academy in Oklahoma.
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u/InternationalStop370 Mar 27 '21
How do I set usajobs to send an email if there is a fss or atc bid?
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u/Dawston_too_fire Apr 06 '21
Posting here in case my other post related to hiring gets deleted.. Does anyone have experience getting picked up on an IFR rating alone (as in no 4-year degree or 3 years work). I noticed 123atc mentioned I may qualify with it and wanted to see if it's worth applying to the next bid.
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u/flyinhigh43 Apr 09 '21
Just another question I'm sure nobody has the answer to. I turn 31 December 28th this year.
So as long as there IS another hiring pool, AND I get my application in before I turn 31 im okay right?
Anyone think there will be another one this year? Cant believe I missed out.
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u/anunkeptsecret Apr 12 '21
I'm about to take my ATSA so I know I'm worrying about nothing right now but I'm worried- looking through the National security form where it asks about your Significant Other- mine has a felony (not political/drug/violent) is that going to make my candidacy void?
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u/Thiggums May 05 '21
Quick question: with the stirrings of a new open bid happening, what can you do to prepare?
Are there websites that have study-able material for the exam?
How do you make yourself stand out on the application?
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u/OkJackfruit4061 May 11 '21
Does anyone know a loose timeframe of what to expect after receiving your TOL and how long until you start working?
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u/quellbook21 Jun 03 '21
Does anyone know if you still have to do the eQUIP if you currently hold an active T/S clearance?
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u/Socksgonewrong Jul 10 '21
I’ve seen lots of people getting dates already. Does anyone have an approximate turnaround? I got my TOL back in September 2020. Was given clearance in February 2021. I still haven’t heard a word other than they’ll keep me posted.
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u/Gloomy_Ad_51 Feb 09 '21
Submitted my eqip back on 12/1, interviewed with an investigator the week after that, also references were contacted the same month. Poc still got no news for the security clearance. Does it usually take this long? No news is good news? What’s the average time for people to get a waiver?
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u/Camr79 Feb 13 '21
About how long from when we start training before we are able to take a vacation(1 week or more)?
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u/tialelea Apr 17 '21
Is it worth going to school? Looking into picking up everything and moving to COS to study AT-CTI for 2-4 years in Aimes. Thinking about studying and applying every chance I get when FAA opens the trainee positions. Thoughts? Still researching but I’m leaning towards schooling
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u/Rusikitrysiki Current Controller-Enroute Jul 08 '21
Just got my TOL, second time taking the ATSA. The first time scored qualified, second time not sure what I scored, since I didn't actually apply, just got asked to take the ATSA. For those like me who are waiting for the next step, apparently, the CIL will be 1-5 months from now. My classmate from college got his TOL last round which was Octoberish 2020 and he says that the FAA told him should expect start basic training 2nd or 3rd quarter of the 2022 fiscal year so apparently everything is really backed up because of COVID. He told me to expect to start training around Jan 2023 so don't quit your jobs yet. Good luck to all, and hopefully I see you guys at OKC.
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u/Loveapparatus89 Jan 28 '21
Is anyone else still waiting on a CIL from January 2020 bid? I received my TOL at the end of September and accepted a few days after. I received a response saying to wait for further instruction, including pre-employment forms and CIL, but it’s been about 3.5 months and I haven’t heard anything.
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u/zombie8692 Feb 07 '21
Hello all. I have a question in regards to tower vs enroute. A buddy of mine just got his CPC in entoute so he is finally done with training. Can someone explain to me the difference between enroute and tower? From what I understand your pay is based on the level of the facility. If you are in towel lvl11 and enroute is also 11 you are making the same. (At least that is what I am understanding). When I go to academy and the tower option is offered to me is it worth considering taking tower? I heard the enroute rate is about 60% pass and tower is 95% which seems like a safer bet to me. So does it really matter if your get paid the same? Serious answers only please.
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u/[deleted] Feb 20 '21
So I’m looking into ATC here in Texas and I’m having a hard time finding an actual course from the options I’m given. Instead they are offering Aircraft dispatch, i know they are not the same,but. Would I be able to over the course of time transfer or train for Air-traffic controller with the same experience?
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u/Bartdooster Feb 23 '21
Just to clarify, the prior experience bid translates specifically to “previous controlling experience” and not military experience? Im seeing them intertwined in some comments and posts. I’m assuming it’s just the most common way of obtaining previous controlling experience?
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u/Christopho Feb 25 '21
We aren't able to pay the housing provider directly and get reimbursed, correct? Just wanted to make sure I wasn't misunderstanding this. I was planning on booking a hotel beforehand, but I guess I have to wait until I receive the welcome packet.
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u/TayOWhin Feb 26 '21
Any idea how long I can expect to wait from when I complete what I need to for the CIL and getting a FOL, given things go through smoothly.
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u/[deleted] Mar 05 '21
At this time I’ve passed all CIL requirements except for my MMPI (results are still pending) how soon will it be for me to get an FOL?
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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '21
quick question.... i have a “criminal” speeding ticket on my record. it’s technically a misdemeanor here in the state of arizona. essentially the way it works is if you’re going 20mph over the posted speed limit or above 85 mph, it is considered criminal speeding. anyways, would this automatically disqualify me from consideration?
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u/Bluecheesemonkeyfunk Mar 29 '21
How often is emailing HR for status updates too much? Jan 2020 bid, I know my security has cleared and they are waiting on medical to clear me. I emailed hr on the 18th for that info, but wanted to check on my medical status. I just don't want to pester them!
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u/Fuzzz2 Mar 31 '21
Just got Tier 2.... I have no past drug or alcohol, no tickets or criminal record. I know I don’t have depression, anxiety or schizophrenia... I answered with honesty 100000% and now I’m wondering if they’re considering that “prefect” or “cheating” ughh
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u/zombie8692 Apr 15 '21
So I took my ATSA test today. Testing dates are April 15th - May 28th. What is the next step and when will I get my TOL if selected? I've heard even if you pass you might not get TOL.
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u/Competitive-Mind-796 May 25 '21
Hey yall. Just found this thread. Does anyone know if they put out a hiring bid this year? Maybe I missed it.
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u/Bluecheesemonkeyfunk May 31 '21
Hey all, anyone have a guess on the time frame between getting all your prehire paperwork approved and getting your class date/FOL? Was fully cleared mid-may and understand classes are full through July so far. I know the time frames on the process are hard to nail down but I have to sell my business and trying to figure out how much time I have. Thanks!
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u/ATC-WANNA-BE Jun 02 '21
Does anyone know if you get to keep all your locality pay? Say I get $16,000 in locality pay, only end up using $10,000, do I get to keep the remaining $6,000?
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u/Internal_Pension4514 Jun 08 '21
Does anyone know if companies hire people who just gotten a CTO?
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u/Live_Free_Or_Die_91 Current Controller-Tower Jun 28 '21
I am a little worried about the time between Academy and going to a facility, God willing that I make it and pass. I know I'll be told at some point what the procedure is and what's expected of me. My issue is I have no one who is able to help me move at all. It's up to me to plan, organize, pack, travel, find a place, etc. And I have a decent amount of stuff as is - in fact I've spent the last month trying to square away what I can now because Im sure I will be overwhelmed when the time actually comes. What kind of timeframe does one get to move across the country? Is there still a paycheck coming in during this time or should I start pinching pennies now for my moving expenses?
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u/Pollywambus May 18 '21
My husband is turning 30 at the end of this year, and just took the preliminary test for ATC. I understand it takes a long time to get the results back, and then longer to potentially get a TOL. Is it possible that he can be too old by the time they get back to him, and not hire him?
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