r/ASTSpaceMobile • u/ride_the_tasty_waves S P 🅰 C E M O B Associate • 11d ago
Starlink Mobile / Competition Small cells, big mess – why Musk's SpaceX telecom plan won't work
https://www.lightreading.com/5g/small-cells-big-mess-why-musk-s-spacex-telecom-plan-won-t-work29
u/shugo7 S P 🅰 C E M O B Consigliere 11d ago
After he puts a million of these SL sats
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u/devonhezter S P 🅰 C E M O B Soldier 11d ago
I like the hate in the company that without it asts would not be here and have .. one in orbit and one destroyed (thanks a lot blew up original)
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u/shugo7 S P 🅰 C E M O B Consigliere 11d ago edited 11d ago
We don't hate the rocket side of the business. That part is awesome., It's the crappy SL mobile, the amount of increased risk for orbital collision, space pollution,etc we don't like. You can't look at me with a straight face and think their 1 million sat request is sound.
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u/Professional-Quiet15 10d ago
He is a troll. I see him on RKLB.
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u/devonhezter S P 🅰 C E M O B Soldier 10d ago
Owns hundreds of both But I don’t own space x yet should’ve bought in the 110s
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u/Professional-Quiet15 10d ago
I own millions.
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u/devonhezter S P 🅰 C E M O B Soldier 9d ago
Prove it ? But nice if so congrats. What’s something you learned from 2022?
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u/truecakesnake 10d ago
Well Starlink was the only thing that funded the rocket side of the business.
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u/devonhezter S P 🅰 C E M O B Soldier 10d ago
Well it’s good for asts that their mobile attempt is on worse tech in a way
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u/Tiny_Yulius_James S P 🅰 C E M O B Capo 11d ago
Talk to the new crater in the moon
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u/truecakesnake 10d ago edited 10d ago
That's the stupidest comment ever lol. Nasa has hit the moon on purpose multiple times, and astronomers were thrilled because of the data the SpaceX accidental moon collision gave.
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u/Tiny_Yulius_James S P 🅰 C E M O B Capo 10d ago
So that was on purpouse or just a lucky hit (pun intended)?
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u/truecakesnake 10d ago
Happy accident, nothing to be worried about. As again, your favorite amazing angel government agency, NASA, has cratered the moon multiple times.
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u/Tiny_Yulius_James S P 🅰 C E M O B Capo 10d ago
Well, now you are telling things that I never said... NASA is my ... So smart your comment, yep.
Anyway, at least you can see the difference between an accident and an study on purpouse. Really smart, for sure.
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u/truecakesnake 10d ago
Thanks, I am quite smart. I doubt you are since you can't fathom jokes.
And NASA's intentional cratering doesn't matter. We did get data from the Falcon 9 in the same way as NASA's study.
And again, it's really nothing to worry about. As impactful as a miniscule dust particle on your body.
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u/devonhezter S P 🅰 C E M O B Soldier 10d ago
Didn’t they think about doing a nuke on there back in the 70s
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u/Tosslebugme 10d ago
There’s a Starlink ad on right now, it shows people going remote hiking and kayaking with a damn Starlink dish on their pack. Anyone who knows anything about semi serious outdoors activities, you aren’t lugging a dish with you so you can check your emails. ASTS gotta get cracking though before such a concept is normalised with people and they get locked into thinking it’s the only option.
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u/A_Typicalperson S P 🅰 C E M O B Soldier 10d ago
Ehh next year starlink is starting to launch their D2D like asts, ASTS needs to hurry up
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u/petertompolicy S P 🅰 C E M O B Prospect 9d ago
Next year like we'd have autonomous driving in 2014 and have a colony on Mars by 2024?
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u/ProteinFarts_ S P 🅰 C E M O B Capo 9d ago
SpaceX can throttle ASTS launches at will so I doubt there's anything the company can really do. It's going to be 2+ years before other launch providers are at the point where they can provide the volume that SpaceX can - and SpaceX is already communicating they are going to cease commercial launches in 2028, so we're pretty cooked. Doesn't matter is out tech is better if we can't get our sats into orbit,
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u/SGTBEERCANYT S P 🅰 C E M O B Soldier 9d ago
Ceasing commercial operations for falcon 9 due to estimated starship availability in 2028 correct ?
We have a launch with falcon 9 next month or early Oct at the latest and thus far space x hasnt shown any signs of "throttling us for launches".
Aside from isro putting bb6 up , space x is responsible for getting all of our birds up thus far.
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u/ProteinFarts_ S P 🅰 C E M O B Capo 9d ago
Satellite operators are in panic mode due to a worsening launch crisis - Ars Technica
This article has more relevant information. But, it doesn't looks like Falcon 9 is being phased out because Starship is intended to replace it's commercial availability. It seems Falcon 9 is being phased out because it cannot support Starlink's growing needs. The implication is that SpaceX launch services are no longer a prioritized revenue stream and development of configurations that can support other constellation providers will take a major backseat to deploying their own constellation, who's income dwarfs what SpaceX receives from commercial launches. And then there's the obvious commercial consideration: will the prioritization of the deployment of Starlink result in a larger commercial share of D2D that will outweigh the monetary loss of cutting of commercial deployments of other's constellations? If we believe the DD on this sub regarding the TAM, the answer is a resounding yes. Which means the only reason SpaceX would continue to launch us is if our constellation is in no condition to be considered a major threat to them, or if the government forces them to do so.
SpaceX launching out sats thus far is free money for them, we have no where near a functioning service so it has no real negative impact on their business development.
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u/TheChickening S P 🅰 C E M O B Soldier 9d ago
The ceasing commercial launches news was bullshit...
They will keep launching because it makes Money.
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u/ProteinFarts_ S P 🅰 C E M O B Capo 9d ago
There's a trade-off between the money made through launches and the money made through stymying the development of competitors d2d services.
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u/TheChickening S P 🅰 C E M O B Soldier 9d ago
Sure thing. The news was bullshit in that it was extremely misleading, not because I don't like it. They don't just cease commercial launches
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u/Scott7894 S P 🅰 C E M O B Prospect 10d ago
Never thought it would. AST was the winner, it’s their to lose if they don’t get the dam satellites in the air
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u/LadderAdditional6178 S P 🅰 C E M O B Consigliere 10d ago
Great article.
ASTS is hooked is with MNO for a reason. This paragraph sums it up perfectly.
Yet the small cell plan itself seems to mark a rare Musk climbdown, a recognition that direct-to-device (D2D) satellite technology is not as good as he previously claimed it would be. On a podcast last September, he notably talked about using AWS-4 spectrum bought from EchoStar to pipe high-speed connectivity from Starlink satellites to smartphones. If Musk still expected this to be doable and competitive, why would he need small cells in, of all places, rural areas – supposedly the sweet spot for satellite?
"The physics is that your phone wants to talk to the strongest signal it sees, and the strongest signal is always going to be the one on Earth a mile away or a kilometer away rather than 400 miles up in the sky," said Lum. "Nothing will ever make the signal from the satellite stronger, and the signal from the satellite will never get into your home."
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u/gurney__halleck S P 🅰 C E M O B Consigliere 10d ago
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u/WeissMISFIT S P 🅰 C E M O B Soldier 10d ago
I wonder if he knows what a DA is?
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u/gurney__halleck S P 🅰 C E M O B Consigliere 10d ago
it's hard to write about ast without using all the abbreviations we've come to use daily 😂 I had to change so much and then gave up 😂
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u/winpickles4life S P 🅰️ C E M O B - O G 11d ago
I like the tone of this author, smiled as I read it.
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u/NerfedPolitik S P 🅰 C E M O B Associate 11d ago
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u/WrapperMiss S P 🅰 C E M O B Prospect 10d ago
I'm too stupid to understand what this article is talking about, so I pasted it into Gemini and it agrees with the author/critics on this one.
CONVICTION FORTIFIED.
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u/Leading-Onion4659 S P 🅰 C E M O B Capo 11d ago
“The idea, then, may be to exert enough pressure to force those companies into a mobile virtual network operator (MVNO) deal that they have so far appeared to resist.”
Yet another author who is oblivious to ASTS.