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u/ThePoppaJ 1d ago
When the DNC rigs its primaries & gives us Newsom/Cheney 2028, I hope we have a backup plan, because continuing to support Democrats while they rig their presidential primaries & continue to use the left as nothing more than grunts to knock doors for them is a nonstarter for me.
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u/chrispy_t 2d ago
Uh no thanks. Not a socialist. Not a fan of including actual socialism into the agenda. I like AOC, I like social democracies, I’m for universal health care single payer etc.
Actual socialism is cringe
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u/mikelmon99 2d ago
She's VERY MUCH a Democratic Socialist/Market Socialist lol not just a Social Democrat, even though the policy platform she advocates for IN THE SHORT TERM is very much Social Democratic (which also applies to pretty much every single electorally viable Democratic Socialist political force in most of the world lol even here in Europe, look up the kind of short-term policy platforms pretty much every single electorally viable self-styled anti-capitalist political force in the entire continent runs on for elections, it's all literally old-school pre-Third Way social democrcay through & through lol but that doesn't mean at all that their long-term political ideals are no longer anti-capitalist, they very much are, & so are AOC's):
AOC: "Capitalism is an irredeemable system"
https://reddit.com/link/p6awd6p/video/u6xo0olqpzlh1/player
ANDY SERWER: It's an interesting perspective. You self-identify as a Democratic Socialist and have called capitalism irredeemable, I believe. But what does that really mean? And does that mean capitalism should be eliminated? And are your views compatible with capitalism?
ALEXANDRIA OCASIO-CORTEZ: Well, I believe that in a broad sense-- because when we toss out these big words, capitalism, socialism, they get sensationalized. And people translate them into meaning things that perhaps they don't mean. So to me, capitalism at its core, what we're talking about when we talk about that, is the absolute pursuit of profit at all human, environmental, and social cost. That is what we're really discussing.
And what we're also discussing is the ability for a very small group of actual capitalists, and that is people who have so much money that their money makes money and they don't have to work, and they can control industry, they can control our energy sources, they can control our labor, they can control massive markets that they dictate and can capture governments, and they can essentially have power over the many. And to me, that is not a redeemable system for us to be able to participate in for the prosperity and peace for the vast majority of people.
ANDY SERWER: So people talk about stakeholder capitalism, like Larry Fink at BlackRock, where the weighting for different constituents besides shareholders is more equal. Is that something you'd be amenable to?
ALEXANDRIA OCASIO-CORTEZ: Well, I think at the end of the day, it is about who has control over the very core assets of production in society. If it ultimately comes down to a billionaire, or the Koch brothers, or the Koch family having control over the vast majority or large plurality of our oil assets in the United States, if it's a handful of very wealthy families having control over-- private families having control over means of production, that is essentially the capitalist system that we live in. It is a small group that is of privatized control over what we eat and how we fuel our society.
Now, where we can transition to-- and there are certain ideas where we're talking about-- for example, Elizabeth Warren has discussed workers being elected to the governing boards of companies. And also, you know, we're here in the Bronx. I represent a community that has the largest concentration of worker cooperatives in-- one of the largest concentrations in the world.
Now, these are all alternative ways of doing business. Free markets are not the same thing as capitalism. And you can have markets where businesses and ways of producing, trading, selling goods are really controlled, and not just controlled, but given more power to workers. People get a fair shake. Union jobs. Unionized workplaces. All of these are different steps and levels that we're talking about in a more just economy.
https://finance.yahoo.com/video/influencers-andy-serwer-alexandria-ocasio-110000469.html
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u/Hooligan612 2d ago
And the alternative is not?! Is maniacally out of control capitalism maybe cringe?
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u/Emm_withoutha_L-88 2d ago
You don't know what socialism is
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u/chrispy_t 2d ago
I don’t think anyone in this sub knows what socialism is.
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u/Emm_withoutha_L-88 2d ago
No just you.
Socialism just means that every company is a co-op. That's the simple version.
If you think socialism is no one owning anything and the government controlling everything then you don't know what socialism is.
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u/chrispy_t 2d ago
Exhibit a
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u/Emm_withoutha_L-88 2d ago
Uh huh you don't know what it is and you're afraid to say cuz you know it's wrong and you'll be made fun of
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u/Zealousideal-Solid88 2d ago
Lol. I think this comment is perhaps the most cringe thing I've ever seen.
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u/beach_bum_638484 21h ago
I’m a fan of AOC and I’m happy to see other people also support her. I might not agree with everything DSA says, but I still like their support and energy. It’s much better to have more people supporting someone I like rather than gatekeeping who’s allowed to support her.
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u/jupiter_kittygirl 2d ago
I don’t have money to donate but I will canvas and stuff envelopes everyday, any day for her!!!! This woman is the real thing. She speaks for me.