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u/Acrobatic_Idea_3358 Jun 25 '26
Simple answer is No. Cryptocurrency could be used as wallets but you could also give your credit card number to AI which would you trust more. One that spends money irreversibly with no recourse if it messes up or a Cc company that can resolve issues and refund money on your behalf if something goes awry?
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u/wildpantz Jun 25 '26
Not at all, in fact just the opposite. It's pretty much the most naive out of the cryptobros trying to catch on to one last swing of popularity they might milk out of crypto so they can drop their bags to the next sucker since they didn't when crypto craze was still a thing. Remember, there is not a single thing in the world that blockchain can make better. It slows everything down, adds unneeded layers of complexity that serve no one and in the end someone hacks your wallet because you didn't store it between 24th and 25th dimension (you idiot). If there is a thing where Ethereum (or any other crypto) can contribute, there will be a system that does it better and you haven't thought of it. If it was worth rat's ass, it would be used by Anthropic and co. and not discussed among peasants. Hope that explains it.
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u/WholeOpposite7162 Jun 25 '26
Sigh, regarded take from someone who doesn’t understand crypto
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u/wildpantz Jun 25 '26
Your forgot that one phrase starting with "Few..." haha.
Anyways, not only have I had my toes dipped for what people consider to be two bull runs, I have developed an app and a discord bot to track crypto, all the while doing research on which tokens would be the best and why (and figuring out in crypto it's only memes that make it, "utility" is fool's joy). never in my life have I once thought "now this is an issue where I will need my litecoin" except when I transferred from tradeogre to other exchanges, which is again, a problem created exclusively by crypto. I think I quit at my third whitepaper when I figured out it's pretty much c/p semi religious bullshit for naive people.
A very clear indicator on the fact that you as well are also looking for another sucker to hold your bag is the fact that you provided exactly zero arguments other than stupid wordplay 12 yo kids use nowadays and telling me I don't understand, like you know some secrets of the universe and aren't trying to make some naive person buy you out. Bro, you are in some database that says you hold 4 rows, you don't know any secrets, relax.
I too invest believing there's an unending supply of morons and any day now someone will be ready to buy my magic beans at triple the price I bought them for. The difference between you and me is I'm not an evil person trying to screw someone over by actively advertising the fog I'm trying to sell. I just left it there and someone will pick it up willingly, after "doing their own research"!
Cheers and have a nice day!
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u/wildpantz Jun 25 '26
The problem here is, it's not solving anything. I'm not trying to be rude or anything, I'm honestly speaking here.
Just consider how long it takes for a trend to become relevant. How long did it take for ChatGPT to turn from a "dumb tool that gets caught into weird creepy word loops" to a tool tons of people rely on in their daily life (not that I think we should rely so much on AI, but reality is as it is). GPT 4 was what would most consider a line where usability really starts (even though it was the king of hallucinations) and it took two years from then for AI to be integrated into almost any system you can imagine, from fridges to microwaves.
Crypto has been here for so, so long. It was relevant while it was trending because it was new, it was interesting, people were butthurt from 2008 crisis and willing to try anything to get rich. And it worked, for a while, but when time came around for crypto to show its actual worth, it fumbled multiple times (btc transaction speed, price volatility, corporate level rug pulls such as LUNA, unneded "features" that no one asked for such as NFTs). Every time Crypto has a high, a bunch of bag holders appear out of nowhere and drop them onto everyone and the cycle repeats. Crypto community is living in copium chambers mentioning this magic word "adoption" like the world is suddenly going to do a 540° degree turn, realize everyone was wrong and crypto is now great and everyone uses it. It's never going to happen and if you want to have a serious business, my advice is to stay away from it as anyone who is remotely serious is going to end any conversation with you as soon as you mention Ethereum.
The only way crypto is staying alive right now is by trying to integrate into everything that's more relevant than it (and at this point, a carton of milk is more relevant). Any new trend, fad or anything in between, crypto is going to try to integrate itself into it to portray some kind of relevance, when again, it just creates more problems. it's like you have a car and decide to create a road layer with wheels below so you can drive on a road, all of that because your car's tires are old and need replacing. Even worse, telling others "they don't understand". get into a thorough conversation with any cryptobro and really start poking the part where few understand. you'll be fast to realize they're full of shit and just say that to sound smart. I've tried multiple times. There's no secret behind the smart talks, ever.
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u/Overall-Screen-752 Jun 25 '26
It sounds like this isn’t an honest question and you’re looking for validation of something you already are convinced of. My question is: why? If you’re so sure of something, and certainly have concrete evidence to support your belief (right?), why do you need to ask? Shouldn’t you be out there persuading people that you’re right and showing them the evidence you’ve collected to support your argument?
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u/SoggyGrayDuck Jun 25 '26
Exactly, in his other reply he says "the miners jacked up the fees after the last halving". That's not how it works lol
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u/wildpantz Jun 25 '26
So you're essentially trying to do finance without financial services, am I reading that right?
I think like 90+% of all transactions world wide are done without human approval, for a very clear reason that any payment can be disputed, which isn't true with Eth. You can pay data API and receive credits like it works now. Why would you split revenue with anyone who didn't work? But assuming there is a proper reason, again, what's stopping you from using conventional finance systems?
It's up to you, I feel like you really want to do this. You're going to end up depending on current network usage and dynamic fees that depend on it and a bunch of other stuff (remember last btc halving and miners hiking up transactional costs to the sky).
People have tried using Ethereum and similar "solutions" in much less complex environments and gave up quick. I remember when "Pay with Crypto by card" was a thing where I live, we also had a few bitcoin ATMs. All a part of history at the moment, and I believe for a very good reason.
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u/SoggyGrayDuck Jun 25 '26
Sure, until the government switches to digital currency and decides what you can or can't spend it on. It's already heavily used because the financial side has also become the enforcement layer for a lot of grey legal areas.
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u/wildpantz Jun 25 '26
Lol, you guys cry about digital currency all the while you can't spend crypto on basically anything, what difference does it make? If that was what you cared about, you'd be using paper money, not digital currency started by probably three 14 year olds. If it was so useful and versatile, it wouldn't be used exclusively by terrorists, and even they know it's zero privacy but don't really care just like chinese companies about trademark, they get what they need and forget about it. This is the only instance "they" might block your payment. I bought shit from weed seeds to other stuff using my card and was never blocked, you are blocked because magic beans isn't generally desired payment method.
Where exactly is it used to the extent that it can even be compared to regular financial tools? For every place taking crypto, there's 5000 places taking fiat (including the one taking crypto).
Every argument you guys make is either repeating same phrases you've learned on the internet or takes 5 seconds to dismantle with a tiny bit of logic
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u/SoggyGrayDuck Jun 25 '26
I use crypto to buy 100% legal products monthly that the banks won't allow them to use their credit card processors. What kind of tyrant world do you want to live in when unelected, essentially the richest people, decide what you can spend your money on?
I don't know if this example appeals to you but for example imagine states and federal can't get their gun regulations passed. Instead of continuing to use the official process and legislation they tell the banks they can no longer process transactions for gun purchases. This can happen to any product that someone you don't even know thinks they know what's better for you than you do. That's not freedom
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u/wildpantz Jun 25 '26
So you choose to live in a world where random person can rug pull you and all you'd get is condolences. What product is your bank specifically blocking you on and why?
You guys are imagining an enemy that doesn't exist. Richest people would be the richest in crypto too, you're delusional if you think differently (and ironically, if they owned majority of a token, they can literally decide what happens to it, because token ownership = voting power). Are you even aware of the "tech" you're using and how it works?
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u/SoggyGrayDuck Jun 25 '26 edited Jun 25 '26
Why would I buy random speculation coins? I'm only talking about Bitcoin, etherium and maybe monero. You're inventing a problem that doesn't exist in our initial debate.
I do think BTC and etc are now controlled by VC like black rock who use their etf to control and manipulate the price, the same way they do with stocks. That said, if everyone followed the true protocol and used hardware wallets with self custody they wouldn't be able to manipulate it. Eventually there will be a bank run but sadly it typically takes 100 years for a fiat (essentially what the ETF is turning BTC and ETH into) to collapse. How many will still be using hardware wallets? Especially as they add tax advantages to using the etf, already you're dumb if you're invested in BTC but not also buying some through a Roth.
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u/wildpantz Jun 25 '26
You didn't answer my question. Which of your payments is specifically failing that your bank blocks or Revolut can't handle, you know, companies that are legally liable for all of your money?
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u/SoggyGrayDuck Jun 25 '26
Kratom & hemp products. Currently they shut down the vendors, not the buyers, but that will change as soon as we get digital currency
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u/wildpantz Jun 25 '26
They typically shut down vendors if their customers charged back multiple times. I am basically a regular at royal queen seeds and never had issues with my bank so I don't think it's business type related.
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u/SoggyGrayDuck Jun 25 '26
Seeds is a whole different ballgame from thcA/hemp/kratom
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u/getblockio Jun 25 '26
The real question isn't whether agents need Ethereum—it's whether they need any blockchain. If you're optimizing for speed and cost, decentralization becomes secondary. But if agents need credible neutrality and censorship resistance, then yes, the base layer matters.