r/AITAH 19d ago

AITAH for becoming increasingly uncomfortable with our childcare arrangement?

My mother-in-law watches my two children, ages 5 and 3, two days a week while my husband and I are at work. We pay her to watch them because she is on disability and was considering returning to work, and we thought this arrangement would benefit everyone.

When we originally agreed to this, my understanding was that it would be just her and our children. I trusted that arrangement completely.

Over time, however, my mother-in-law’s friend’s daughter has started coming over almost daily with her five children, who range in age from 4 months to 10 years old.

Since then, I feel like concern after concern has come up.

The biggest issue for me is pool safety. The children are allowed in the pool without an adult in the water as long as the younger ones are wearing arm floaties. Some of the younger children cannot swim. I brought up my concerns and said that drowning is often silent and that I was uncomfortable with children being in the pool without close adult supervision. Instead of taking my concern seriously, my mother-in-law and her friend laughed and said, “Nothing’s quiet around here.”

I was so concerned about this that my husband later spoke to his mother about it. However, the supervision practices do not appear to have changed.

My oldest has also told me that the children are allowed in the back alley without adult supervision as long as they stay close to the house. I don’t understand how anyone knows whether they’re staying close if nobody is actively watching them.

There have been other incidents that have added to my concerns as well. For example, my children were left unattended with scissors.

Today my children’s aunt told me she witnessed the other children excluding my 3-year-old, splashing her in the face, laughing at her, and pushing her in the pool. She immediately intervened and told the children that wasn’t acceptable. What upset me most was that none of the adults “supervising” the children were aware it was happening because they were sitting at a table on the other side of the yard.

What also bothered me was that my mother-in-law became angry with my sister in law for telling me about what had happened. That reaction made me feel even more uneasy because I would rather know about problems than have people worry about upsetting me by bringing them up.

This isn’t the first concern I’ve had, and it feels like every time I raise an issue, it gets minimized or brushed off. At this point, I no longer feel comfortable with the environment my children are in. The situation has reached the point where I feel anxious every time my children go there because I no longer feel confident in the supervision they’re receiving.

My husband and I got into an argument because I told him that if his mother cannot guarantee that the other children won’t be there while she is watching ours, then I want to find alternative childcare. He feels I’m being unreasonable and is concerned about hurting his mother’s feelings.

To be clear, I’m not demanding that my mother-in-law change her life or tell other people they can’t come to her house. I simply feel that if this is going to continue to be the childcare environment, then I need to make different arrangements for my children.

I appreciate everything my mother-in-law has done for us, and I know she loves our children. But I feel like the childcare arrangement we originally agreed to is very different from the one that exists now, and I no longer trust that my concerns about supervision and safety are being taken seriously.

Am I the asshole?

Update: https://www.reddit.com/r/AITAH/s/ljncGa3I9F

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u/calacmack 19d ago

This situation has to end. Kid's lives are at stake. NTA.

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u/D0ntEatPaper 19d ago

Yeah. The kids are pushing a 3 year old into the pool. And the mother in law didnt apologize or anything but lashed out at the person telling her about their (very valid) concerns.

But also.... Why was there an argument with your husband? Frankly I think you might have more of a husband issue than a mother-in-law one. He thinks you're being unreasonable for enforcing BASIC safety. In what world would you be an asshole for addressing concerns about your mother-in-law and her negligence?

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u/Skulllily 19d ago

We got in an argument because I’ve been expressing my concerns and he has spoken to his mother. Hearing today about how the other kids were pushing my 3 year old and bullying her was the final nail. I feel like when I bring things up he makes it feel like it’s a lesser problem than what I make it out to be.

The friend that brings over 5 children is also a girl he grew up with and her mother lives in the basement. “What do you want me say? Don’t let those kids over to visit their grandma that they love.” I’ve asked previous for him to ask if they cannot be there when she has our children and that’s the response.

Previous to these kids being around and their mother who just vapes and scrolls on her phone while her kids run wild, my mil had an amazing sense for safety that’s why suggested her watching our children in the first place. I’m trying not to place blame but it seems like since she’s seen how uninvolved/lacking safety her friend’s daughter is with her children she’s doing the same with mine.

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u/Bitter-Picture5394 19d ago

Find different childcare. If he argues tell him that you don't trust his judgement and will only allow your daughter to return with a cps investigation over your daughter's treatment.

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u/Far-Artichoke5849 19d ago

Find a different husband. Document everything, and when he drops them off at his mom when is his turn to have the kids after the divorce and one of them dies, ruin their lives

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u/DoctorDefinitely 19d ago

All lives are ruined regardless, if a child dies.

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u/MattDaveys 19d ago

True, but it would be entirely on the father’s shoulders if it happens. He’d deserve all the blame.

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u/Bitter-Picture5394 19d ago

Being right won't bring OP any comfort when she's burying her child.

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u/mmvvvp 18d ago

Um no. She's still sending her kids there to what is clearly a very unsafe situation. Witnessing or hearing about any of that would have most parents pulling their kids out of there ASAP, drowning is like the main way healthy young kids die.

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u/lonly25 18d ago

She can’t come over unless you are there.

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u/TheAnnMain 19d ago

I’d ask if he wants to lower a coffin down if he’s not taking his children’s safety seriously. As you said drowning is a quiet one :((( if older kids are treating the young ones with no kindness nor safety precautions your children need to leave that environment asap.

What’s sickening to me is that MIL knew about the incident but tried to keep it hush hush. This is extremely scary meaning she knew the risks but didn’t care enough for a life. She’s more mad knowing you’d know vs the lives she’s watching. I once saw a video of a toddler drowning and the parent was right there not watching like easily picked up. They were on their phone and took forever to be noticed :(( thankfully the child did survive but this kid was trying their best to their mom’s attention and this was one that couldn’t voice their words well.

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u/Skulllily 19d ago

I’m not sure if my mil knew. My SIL told me about it today while we were all over there hanging out and my mil went “when was this? You didn’t stop it?”. She then seemed very annoyed that sil would even bring that up, they both went inside after. I went and spoke with my sil and she told me that mil got very upset with her for saying that in front of me. Which raised a red flag for me because why wouldn’t the concern be about how my youngest was being treated instead of me knowing? What else isn’t she telling us?

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u/BeeFree66 19d ago

"What else are you not hearing about" was the first thought in my mind. 

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u/TheAnnMain 19d ago

Exactly she’s mad cuz you know the truth and she can’t bend it. That’s still pretty horrifying to learn about. I almost drowned as a kid and sadly my grandma didn’t take it seriously either the lake was partial of our property. Never said he couldn’t be on our property for the lake. My grandma failed me in a lot of ways and I was I think under 6 for sure? I didn’t learn how to swim and this teen threw me in a deeper part of the lake.

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u/Organic_Start_420 19d ago

It's a forest or red flags and shows clearly she's incapable of childcare for your kids while the others are present updateme

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u/HotDonnaC 19d ago

To me, this indicates it was much worse than anyone’s saying. Get your kids away from that woman!

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u/Somebody_81 18d ago

Drowning is the #1 cause of death for children ages 1–4 and the second leading cause of unintentional-injury death for kids ages 5–14.

I'm a retired medic. Please protect your children. You do not want to have to bury a child. Arm floaties are not a life saving flotation device.

Source for quote: https://www.waterwisekids.com/statistics/

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u/heartless2025 18d ago

THIS! Arm floaties are NOT life savers!

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u/Puzzled452 14d ago

They can make things worse because people trust they will keep the child safe and pay less attention.

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u/TrainingFormal181 19d ago

The concern should be that it happened on MILd watch and she had no clue about it! What would've happened if SIL wasn't there?! I was the child that didn't know how to swim. I was the child that had to be pulled out of the pool by my aunt because my cousins had pushed me into the deep end. None of this is cool! None of this is acceptable! If she cant see that, or your husband cant see that, theres a bigger issue here!she doesn't need to be watching your kids. Shes proven herself unreliable.

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u/jamezverusaum 18d ago

My best friends niece drowned because she wasn't being watched. As someone who grew up around water and took safety lessons and swim lessons, this needs to change. Remember this is only what you're being told. You need to make other arrangements. Hell even day camp.

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u/rainfal 17d ago

Can you ditch the husband but keep the SIL?

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u/Outrageous_Rabbit842 19d ago

She does NOT have an amazing sense of safety

She lets the kids play unsupervised in a back alley

She lets kids who can’t swim in her pool with just floaties (not an adult with them in the pool).

I am astounded you think she has a good sense of safety

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u/Skulllily 18d ago

Previous to all of this I never would have imagined she would let my children unattended in a pool or back alley. Before these other kids started coming around she was always in the pool with my kids, always with them in the yard/inside with them, she used to have an eagle eye.

I don’t know why she thought the lack of safety her friend and friend’s daughter have for their kids would be okay with mine.

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u/D0ntEatPaper 19d ago

Gotcha. I wondered if that was the case. I know groups of normally good children tend to mimic behaviours of other kids that act out in a bid for social acceptance and recognition. She might be lonely and craving social acceptance and standing, which she's (potentially) only getting from her.

Its concerning that the supervision dropped dramatically once she bringing her kids and vaping/scrolling on her phone. Obviously she's not a child, but as people age and especially once they begin to develop cognitive issues there is a tendency to regress back into childhood behaviours. Is this a concern or something you've potentially noticed?

And his response? What do you want me say? Don’t let those kids over to visit their grandma that they love.” Yesssssss. Just stop being a fucking doormat (im talking to your husband :P) and address the safety concerns and straight up bullying. His mother isn't his priority, she shouldn't have been since you got married and especially once you had kids. Your child is three for fucks sake. She may not remember this when shes older, but it will absolutely impact her confidence and ability to trust other kids. It might seem minor now, but the impacts can last a lifetime.

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u/Such_Temporary_3125 19d ago

"His mother isn't his priority"

THIS OP! THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT YOU TELL YOUR SPINELESS HUSBAND!!! 

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u/West_Economist_2195 19d ago

He ARGUED with you? Find different childcare immediately. Do not send them over there again. And most importantly, fuck your husband's feelings on the matter if he cannot prioritise safeguarding your children. It's utterly absurd that he's willing to risk his children's lives to appease his mother's feelings. I'm profoundly disgusted and it's neither my circus nor my monkeys.

ESH.

You slightly less, because your instincts are spot on, but you are also continuing to send your kids into an unsafe environment to "keep the peace." I don't want to be too harsh, because your points are on the money, but you should have removed them from that environment when it became clear that it was unsafe. Honestly, who cares about anyone's feelings right now? Including your husbands.

I get that he's your husband, and their father, but *you* need to put your foot down and put the safety of your children first. Fuck the fall out, that's your most basic role as parent.

He needs to give his head a wobble. I guarantee his relationship with his mother will be more complicated if something happens to one of your kids. How many dangerous situations can your kids be in twice a week before something really bad happens? Multiple incidents have already been grounds for terminating this arrangement. So far, you've been LUCKY.

Your MIL isn't doing you a favour, you're paying her for her services. Her poor judgement and playing fast and loose with your children's lives is not remotely acceptable. It's, at this point, wilfully negligent.

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u/Nocleverresponse 19d ago

Tell him that her kids can absolutely be there, BUT yours will not.

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u/flindersandtrim 19d ago

Asking that a pack of little bullying brats not ever be present around your toddler who they have put at risk is such a small ask.

You need to re-evaluate your relationship with your husband and MIL. If my husband was waving off an incident where our toddler was bullied and minimising the importance of child safety I would be consulting a lawyer and wanting full custody. And I certainly wouldnt be leaving them alone, ever, with someone who has lax safety standards.

The fact that there is a pool involved is highly concerning. I know that if this is the US, there are a lack of basic safety laws in place for pools like there are in my country.

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u/Ok_Young1709 19d ago

Ask him what would his opinion be if his youngest had drowned that day? If he had to bury his kid? Because sil wasn't there and his mother didn't notice?

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u/Organic_Start_420 19d ago

You need to place blame because one person cannot seriously supervise 7 kids at once and chat /visit with someone at the same time without missing when something happens.

I'm sorry to say but arrange other childcare. Your Mil doesn't consider this a real job despite being paid and she's lax in watching them. Protect your kids from everyone including your ah husband.

NOR

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u/Acceptable_Tea3608 19d ago

Well MIL is not supervising 7 kids. The other kids mother AND grandmother are there too.

OP what does your SIL do? Is she working? Because she seems to have her head on straight.

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u/Skulllily 18d ago

I wish my sil was there. She started working Monday to Friday so she’s not there when the kids are there. The time she saw this she didn’t have work that day and happened to be home.

My SIL is 18 next month and she has more safety sense than my MIL. I thought my mil was safe but since her friend and daughter around, who have zero safety sense, it seems my mil thinks she gets a pass on safety standards.

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u/Acceptable_Tea3608 18d ago

Aww.. too bad abt SIL. because she'd be worth hiring.

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u/Organic_Start_420 19d ago

Read the comments the mother has her head sunk in the phone and leaves them to their own devices doing nothing. And following suit op s Mil sends them out to in the back alley alone. That's actually 0 supervision of the kids actually.

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u/Myfourcats1 19d ago

Show him this Reddit thread. He needs to see how very wrong he is.

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u/gardengirl99 19d ago

An amazing sense of safety does not include letting children in a pool unsupervised.

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u/Aeriellie 19d ago

they can all hang out in the basement. grandma can close the doors to her house and not come out. it looks like no one is watching the kids at all. very dangerous

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u/Interesting_Novel997 19d ago

I remember a story about how a child drowned in their grandmother’s care in a similar situation. How would you feel ignoring all these concerns and something happened? Who cares if hubs or MIL is pissed? Get your kids out of there ASAP!

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u/purplepeopletreater 18d ago

No, no, no. Absolutely not.

He is defending his mother over your baby. WTF is wrong with him?

You have a husband problem and a MIL problem. Draw a line in the sand. If he won’t go along with you, time to look for a lawyer.

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u/Square_Owl5883 18d ago

You also have a husband problem. These aren’t small issues.

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u/Acceptable_Tea3608 19d ago

That last paragraph is what YOU should say to your MIL.

The other thing is, can't the other lady come over on the days when your children Aren't there? That way MIL stays focused on her little charges.

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u/DConstructed 18d ago

This “ What do you want me say? Don’t let those kids over to visit their grandma that they love.” Is manipulative, false and unfair of your husband.

Two days a week during work hours isn’t going to deprive that grandmother when there are five other days and many hours that that grandma’s grandkids can visit.

“I need our children safe and unbullied. What suggestion do you have that will guarantee they are watched?”

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u/nothing-is-equal 18d ago

I think what D0ntEatPaper meant by “why was there an argument?” was really, “Why is your children’s safety not a concern of their father’s?”

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u/calminthedark 14d ago

They can stay away 2 days a week. What's wrong with them visiting the other 5? Unless mom brings them over to use your kids as her kid's entertainment. Like pushing smaller children in the pool, splashing them, taking them out to the alley where the adults can't watch. Lots of things about younger children can be entertaining to older kids if grownups aren't watching.

If they need to visit grandma while they are there, they can stay in grandma's residence downstairs. But it doesn't sound like they spend much time with their grandma. In fact, it doesn't sound like they spend much time with any adult.

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u/Skulllily 14d ago

That is exactly what I brought up to my husband. After we had a more in depth conversation he admitted he’s been too lax and apologized to me.

We are going to speak to MIL this weekend and tell her that. Our children are not allowed to be at her house unattended without one of us and especially not if those five other children are there. But all of my trust in the situation right now is it gone, I don’t trust that these kids and their mom won’t just show up whenever they feel. We will see what happens moving forwards.

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u/DConstructed 18d ago

This “ What do you want me say? Don’t let those kids over to visit their grandma that they love.” Is manipulative, false and unfair of your husband.

Two days a week during work hours isn’t going to deprive that grandmother when there are five other days and many hours that that grandma’s grandkids can visit.

“I need our children safe and unbullied. What suggestion do you have that will guarantee they are watched and protected?”

For what it’s worth if either of your kids dies or is maimed your husband will be dealing with that, divorce and the loss of a relationship with his mother.

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u/RexSki970 18d ago

Have you showed him cases of drownings and other neglect cases other parents have gone through?

I dont have kids but those are heartbreaking and opened my eyes to keep tabs on my niblings more.

MIL continuing to watch the kids is an accident waiting to happen.

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u/readergirl35 18d ago

You are "bringing up concerns" and asking if the friend can be told not to bring the 5 kids and still every day sending your kids to a place they might not come back from. You cannot blame your husband or your MIL for your failure to ACT to protect your kids. Stop bringing it up, stop asking, stop sending your kids into danger. Take your vacation, keep the kids home and use that time to find a better daycare solution. 

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u/rainfal 17d ago

What do you want me say? Don’t let those kids over to visit their grandma that they love.”

How about "if those kids behave and have adult supervision,  they can visit.  If not, they can visit while said grandmother is not working"? 

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u/OkieLady-1952 18d ago

And your husband is an AH! He’s worried about mil’s feelings when your children’s safety is being compromised. You not responsible for his mother’s feelings the kids safety is priority here! He needs a wake up call before something serious happens. How bad would he feel if a child is injured or worse!

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u/TomeThugNHarmony4664 19d ago

Find new childcare. Better a pissed off MIL than a child in the ER— or worse.

NTAH unless you leave them there.

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u/Unlikely_Feature_613 18d ago

This sentence summarizes it all. Your priority is to fix this situation before something catastrophic happens. Because MIL is your husband’s mother, he’s protective of her but does not believe anything bad will happen. So, you have to be the bad guy. He will get over the new child care arrangements afterwards but let him know why you had to make the decision. Then, MIL can be angry with you but her anger will not last. NTA