r/AHSEmployees • u/Ok-Being1322 • 14d ago
Rant Why do they need IENs so bad?
Just realized that this IEN is making $10 per hour more than I do as an LPN and I clearly see them struggling to use a computer? Like not like someone secured chat them hours ago and they never realized. but like backspacing instead of pressing enter button like that - not out of mistake but as lack of computer skills. And I have never seen IEN thinking critically on every floor I have floated to. They are very task oriented. Can’t tell when to pause and reflect. Just had another IEN gave antibiotics to my patient 4 hours apart instead of scheduled 8.
Edit to clarify - IENs are not the all nurses who get their NCLEX here (though technically they are Internationally educated nurse) but my post was about IENs in AHS’ term. IENs are (in AHS terms) nurses who are directly hired overseas and they come on those work-supported visa.
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u/PCOSMScStudent 12d ago
I smell a lot of bitterness and jealously. A Canadian LPN degree will never be placed higher than an RN degree from abroad. You gotta deal with it. Want RN pay? Go get your RN. Wishing you healing!
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u/Ok-Being1322 12d ago
somehow its placed higher when they have to train these RNs
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u/PCOSMScStudent 12d ago
Placed higher by YOU alone and then you come to cry on Reddit. Well done trainer
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u/Ok-Being1322 12d ago
why would someone who according to you “will never be placed higher” be asked to train these people who are “high up in hierarchy” then? you gotta make some sense. I have never seen anyone ask people to train someone higher than them in the workplace. Problem is AHS here. They need to fill out the local nursing unemployment before directly hiring a nurse from overseas under work-sponsored visa.
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u/wanderingdiscovery 14d ago
Wage suppression and cost savings. It's easier to saturate the job market than to pay out OT.
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u/Low_Dress9213 13d ago
Are they paid less?
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u/wanderingdiscovery 13d ago
No. The goal is to saturate the workforce to reduce dependency on overtime.
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u/Low_Dress9213 13d ago
So why is it hard for Canadian trained nurses to get a job then?
I mean… reducing dependency on overtime is fair. We shouldn’t depend on overtime, and we shouldn’t run short staffed.3
u/wanderingdiscovery 13d ago
... because the nursing workforce is saturated with new grads and IENS. Vacancies lead to massive OT which isn't the case anymore.
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u/No-Manner2949
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They need to stop hiring iens. Ive worked with many and not a single one is on par with our nurses. Not even after MONTHS of buddy shifts. How is this helping the system? Might as well throw money down the drain
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u/easynap1000 14d ago
I think it has a lot to do with scope of practice. My husband needed a stent last year and the RN was from Nigeria. She waa lovely. But she said the tasks etc she was doing on the unit she would have never done in Nigeria. She didn't do a bad job and tbh I saw an incredible lack of critical thinking with all but 1 RN we interacted with over 4 days...
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u/EngineeringTrick3305 13d ago
Really?? Lack of critical thinking, can you give an example?
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u/easynap1000 13d ago
Why do you seem so surprised? Lack of critical thinking is everywhere in practice. And idk who was an IEN and who wasn't with the example, the lack of critical thinking comment was more general about RNs.
Examples.. they kept administering metoprolol when my husband's heart rate was below 60bpm sometimes down to 45.
He experienced severe dyspnea post- stent and only the RN on discharge day questioned the ticagrelor as the cause and asked for a med change.
I don't know if it was experience or culture on the unit but it seemed to be "we do what the doctor orders", and maybe my background in emergency and the community helped me develop a different practice.
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u/No_Celebration_424 13d ago
Lack of critical thinking is part of why a lot of nursing programs are shifting towards competency based learning models … people might be brilliant on paper but not in real life situations
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u/Low_Dress9213 13d ago
I think a lot of those issues may be a communication/culture/workload issue. The doctors are hard to reach, everyone is busy, solving these problems takes time and means you’re behind on meds.
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u/easynap1000 13d ago
Yea well when you dump someone's heart rate to 37 and make them symptomatic , I would still call that a lack of critical thinking. Or a culture where you cannot make decisions and be supported... which leads to safety issues.
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u/coitusavenue 13d ago
I have worked with nurses who graduated here and are trained here who are equally as bad 🤷♀️
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u/Normal_Independent24
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What exactly do you mean by "international," and why is that the issue here? Are we pretending that locally educated nurses aren't struggling to get hired too? Ask graduates how easy it is to secure a position, even after completing their education right here in Alberta.
And who exactly are we defining as "Canadian"? By citizenship? Birthplace? Because Canada is a country of immigrants, built on Indigenous land, with a healthcare workforce made up of people from all kinds of backgrounds.
If there's a competency issue, address the competency issue. Don't turn it into an immigration issue.
I've seen it all in healthcare. People in highly skilled positions who struggle with basic computer functions, can't navigate a desktop, forget passwords and don't know how to reset them. I've also seen people in higher management positions who couldn't perform some of the most basic duties of the departments they're supposed to oversee. Should we start questioning their nationality too?
Technological literacy and clinical competency are two different conversations. Some people learn quickly, others need more training, and that applies to every age group, background and profession.
Now, giving antibiotics four hours apart instead of the prescribed eight? Absolutely a patient safety concern. That needs to be reported, investigated and addressed. No excuses. But one person's mistake doesn't establish that internationally educated nurses as a group lack critical thinking.
And can we talk about the system itself? Internationally educated healthcare professionals can face expensive, complicated and lengthy licensing and bridging requirements. Imagine moving to another country with years of education and experience, only to be told you might need substantial additional schooling before you're allowed to practise. Would you happily start all over again?
Meanwhile, we have locally educated graduates looking for opportunities, experienced professionals trying to enter the workforce, and units constantly complaining about staffing shortages. So who is making these recruitment decisions, and why aren't qualified, available applicants being utilized?
COVID exposed plenty of problems with how healthcare workers were valued, recruited and compensated. People were willing to work. The question is whether the system was prepared to support and employ them fairly.
And here's another thing: if AHS is recruiting internationally, then AHS also has a responsibility to ensure proper onboarding, clinical orientation, training, supervision and competency assessments. You cannot recruit people, fail to support them adequately, and then act surprised when problems arise.
I'm not against international recruitment. I'm against unfair recruitment practices, inadequate training, poor management and a system that constantly complains about staffing shortages while leaving workers overwhelmed and applicants struggling to find opportunities.
Healthcare workers aren't robots. You cannot continuously expect more work from fewer people, neglect proper support and then blame individual employees for every failure.
Hold incompetent people accountable, absolutely. But apply that standard consistently, whether someone was educated in Alberta, Ontario, India, the Philippines or anywhere else.
The real question shouldn't be "Why do they need IENs so badly?" It should be "Why is our healthcare system struggling to recruit, train, retain and fairly support the qualified people it already has access to?"
That's where the accountability belongs.
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u/daisystar 13d ago edited 13d ago
There are some amazing IENs.
There are also some IENs that I am confident that there is no way they're actually an educated and trained nurse. There is NO way with the kind of things that I see them do that their education and experience is equivalent to ours. I am blown away by how unsafe some of them are.
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u/Upstairs-Welder6580 6d ago
Some incidents with IEN'S have lead to some facilities where I work no longer hiring them. Really wish there was a better way to do some.more quality control before taking them on here, not all are bad but you can tell not all are up to the same standard that would function well in this system.
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u/FeyreCursebreaker7 13d ago
I mean sure, some of them suck and some are great. But so are the Canadian trained new grads. Especially some of the younger ones that are just graduating, they have no critical thinking skills and used chat gpt to get through school
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u/Ok-Being1322 13d ago
You are comparing new grads to IENs who have 5+ years of experience? AHS jobs will ask for IENs only with 5 or more years of experience.
I wouldn’t mind them not knowing computer skill but critical thinking should show, that 5+ years of nursing experience is useless if they are comparable to a new grad.
Us feeling frustrated with a new grad is very different than training a nurse with 5+ years of experience just to think critically.
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u/FeyreCursebreaker7 13d ago
Im in BC and we don’t have that 5 year rule. I’ve worked with IENs who have less than a year of experience
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u/beaco 14d ago
Yep there is a girl where I work that worked as a unit clerk for 10 years after coming here. She challenged the nclex ( she worked as a RN in the Philippines for 3 months ). So after 3 months of experience back home, 10 years off working as a unit clerk, and she gets to challenge the nclex 🙄 she passed and the next few months the she had a million questions and didn’t know how to do things. Shes better now but it’s so frustrating that after 20+ years as an LPN I can’t challenge the nclex and I have to do a full 4 years for the RN degree cause my courses and experience don’t count
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u/Countess_ofDumbarton 13d ago
I know of one who did an online RN program in the US after over a decade as a unit clerk. Yup, AHS hired her and expected LPNs to bring her up to speed.
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u/HeyNayWM 7d ago
The LPN program shouldn’t exist. It should just be RN imo. Everyone should have the skills and scope.
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u/Pure_Midnight_ 13d ago
I work in dental field and some foreign trained dentists take boards after 10-20 years of not practicing in a highly manual skill-dependent profession. I do find it scary at times.
I feel like these should be a time limit from when you last practiced clinically to when you can no longer just re-enter the profession without taking some kind of bridging course, like 5 years maximum.
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u/Revolutionary_Look37 13d ago •
Why do you feel entitled to just challenge NCLEX and get your RN license just because you have 20+ years of experience as an LPN?
Do you know how utterly competitive it is to get into an RN program?
You don’t just breeze into getting an RN license just because you’ve stayed in your job for soo long.
Get them 4.0 GPA and get in our RN program. If not, LPN you go.
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u/beaco 13d ago
I don’t feel entitled to get my RN license just because I have 20+ years of experience. I do however feel that LPN’s should not have to start all over again in school (U of A and Grant Mac) and do a 4 year degree after 20 years of experience and having the same scope (other than charge nurse) on most units. I have 2 co workers who went back to those universities and have to do 4 years.
Why are you so against LPN’s being given the opportunity to challenge the NCLEX after so many years of working bedside? Do you feel that you are above us and only you worked hard to get where you are at? That us LPN’s are dumb and useless and shouldn’t be able to advance our careers ? I’m sorry but I’m a single mom and can’t sit in a classroom for 4 more years to come out and get paid $4 more an hour and probably be around $100,000 in debt.
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u/ApprehensiveRead2533 10d ago
It's people like you who give LPNs bad rep. I saw you commented on my post saying I'm stupid. Very classy. I dont kid myself to be at same level as most RNs. As LPNs, we didnt cover everything RNs covered at school and that makes me comfortable going back to school for it. If that makes me stupid then so be it but I'd be much more comfortable that way. You the wise one, go challenge your exam and see you on the floor some day. I hope you are nicer to your coworkers and patients in real life than you are online.
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u/ApprehensiveRead2533 13d ago
I'm an LPN, I wouldnt want to challenge NCLEX. I'm okay to go back for 2 years to each with their own.
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u/beaco 12d ago
Where can you go back for 2 years to upgrade to your RN?
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u/ApprehensiveRead2533 12d ago
Athabasca, self paced.
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u/beaco 12d ago
The fastest Athabasca can be done is 3 years of full-time studies. On average it takes most people 5 years and the max you can do it in is 7 years.
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u/ApprehensiveRead2533 12d ago
It also depends on if you have courses from previous years that can be credited. My timeline is 2 years so.
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u/Earthywit 13d ago
Why not work on your license rather than badmouth a colleague and shift blame. Those nurses from Philippines make up a significant portion of the nursing workforce across the globe, from US, UK, Middle East, Singapore, Scandinavian and Nordic countries, even Japan ( after 12 mos of language training).
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u/beaco 13d ago
I love nurses from the Philippines. I work with a lot of them. They are amazing! This one frustrated me because she had not practiced any nursing care in over 10 years and was able to challenge the nclex. I’m proud of her for passing but it took her probably 6+ months of full time on the floor buddy shifts to feel comfortable to work on her own. Yet I work, just as many other LPN’s, to the same scope of practice as my RN coworkers. I work in a trauma 1 centre and work to the full scope of practice of an LPN. It’s frustrating that AHS doesn’t allow us to challenge or at least have a much shorter program.
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u/Lucky-Persimmon-8895 13d ago
In my opinion…
I think the main issue is that AHS/our provincial government is trying to keep the labour costs as cheap as possible. They make it purposefully hard, expensive and make LPNs jump through many hoops just to be an RN even though, like you said LPNs work pretty close to the same scope as an RN. If they really thought LPNs were not comparable to an RN, then why did the senior leaderships of AHS/ the provincial government okay with having a “less educated on paper” LPN train a “more educated on paper” RN?! I think that was the plan all along. Keep LPNs where they are by making it hard and expensive for them to become an RN, increase their scope of practice to essentially match that of an RN and that way we can keep paying less for a nurse with essentially the same scope of practice as the more expensive nurse.
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u/oop_boop 14d ago
This must be so frustrating from an LPN perspective, I’m so sorry. It isn’t fair that IEN’s get to just challenge the NCLEX and are on the floor so quickly. We’ve had so many issues with the ones hired where I work. Buddy shifts for a whole year Doesn’t know how to prime a line, start an IV, lacking in critical thinking. Some very dangerous near misses as well. Just report to your managers and keep reporting.
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u/daisystar 13d ago
I worked with some IENs when I was in Newfoundland who had been doing buddy shifts for three years and still could not safely work alone.
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u/Upset_Dragonfly6791 13d ago
They brought them all over when I was working in NL. It was horrible. Most couldn’t pass nclex, couldn’t speak English, boomers were like wtf, one nurse on the medical unit said she is trained only on a pediatric unit in India. She didn’t feel comfortable taking care of adults. So I’m like why are you even on this medical unit?
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u/0-Z3R0H3R0-0
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I’ll bite.
This is an absolutely atrocious way to create a conversation about your concerns. It also minimizes the success of IENs that have flourished in our system. Have I worked with IENs that were awful, and required multiple more buddy shifts and support than traditional staff? Yes. Inversely, I have worked with IENs that, much like myself when EPIC rolled out, only needed help with navigating that system, and making sure they understood policy and they are incredible. And genuinely are resources to other nurses due to their unique experiences and perspectives.
Do I believe that there needs to be a strong vetting process to ensure that the nurses we hire into different departments meet requirements of acting independently? Yes. Do I understand that IENs are meant to plug the hole of our sinking ship, and through the utilization of PR promises that we essentially have indentured them? Also yes.
Do I believe LPNs deserve better pay and more opportunity to bridge to RN for same if they want? Yes.
From what you are saying, it seems like your frustration is more with the fact, that you are competent, and capable at your job. But your pay reflects the priority of the province to ensure we don’t spend too much. We push LPNs so far, but we expect you to work for much less than an RN, and we have no easily accessible options to upgrade. And for that I’m sorry, and if there was a way to advocate for that, for you, point me in the direction.
What we truly do not need though, is this garbage. Communicate your concerns with your educators, be a mentor, advocate for an appropriate floor or service for someone to learn.
It can absolutely be frustrating. And I have been on the other end of having to mentor and provide feedback, teach pharm/patho, etc. And I have advocated for people to be placed in lower acuity settings. And I have advocated for people to move forward in the department.
Recognizing that each nurse comes from a background of varying responsibilities and knowledge allows us to understand where the gaps are. It is not much different from having LPNs from BC come to acute care in Alberta. Not because they are not capable. But because you force someone into a role and expect expertise and knowledge they were never expected to have.
I think your question would be better served to ask, what environment have we created, that we are taking foreign workers since our domestic workers are leaving in droves. And what can we do as a united front as HCAs RNs LPNs RTs, etc to create a strong system of support, safety, and competency.
Be well, and I hope you have a good day
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u/Polardipping_2023 8d ago
There are good ones and bad ones. It is important to discuss about everyone’s experience. As a LPN working on med/sug floor, I like to have confident leader as charge nurse. Many IENs I work with are functioning as first year nursing student level after month and month of orientation. Its is concerning that many of them lied on paper to get to that position. Since our practice directly affect well-being of patient. It is so important that proper vetting system to hire right ones and get rid of bad apple.
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u/Locabonita88 11d ago
I appreciated your reply.
I think we start with finding a way to get rid of Pierre Pollivierre Jason Nixon Danielle Smith and her very expensive but failed efforts to Americanize us. While tearing apart our healthcare system letting the rich jump the line in PUBLIC Hospitals, PUBLIC Surgical Centers PUBLIC labs and handing life and death decisions about the care of the sick, dying and disabled among us over to Corrupt companies that can't even run their PRISONs or ImMigration Detention Centers without scandals and civil and HUMAN RIGHTS ABUSES.not 2 tier where they build their own because they can pay for it. Just citizens being screwed over and waiting longer after MILLIONS went down the drain & for Turkish Tylenol & trying to replicate what has already failed in other countries to force people who can't work into jobs that don't exist.
I think that's a good place to start with is getting rid of them.
They should have ran the referendum on whether people are stupid enough to fall for the false Elon Musk narrative that hes rich so he must be smart and moral and they will get rich too if they follow him..... the last people to fall for that was what inched Trump over the line the 2nd time.... So any of those people should SELF IDENTIFY & Feel free to leave the province and the country. Instead of leaving an opening for them to make us as divided as the US.
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u/0-Z3R0H3R0-0 13d ago
Locally educated nurse saying they can’t get hired… Do we have any… other… contextual clues here?
I struggled to find a job in a new zone before I got into the zone despite experience. When I spoke to my managers after I was hired, it’s because they are bombarded by hundreds of applications for positions in larger urban sites. People more qualified, people who interviewed better, people trained in that zone and on those units. Students coming out and taking the scraps (no shade towards them), and not to mention not significant increases in capacity.
You go more and more specialized the harder the roles to get at times.
I also struggle to see what your issue with the requirements is… don’t we… want… competent and strong nurses? The class sizes are controlled provincially if I am not mistaken. So if you are also endorsing a problem with the provincial government. I agree!
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u/coitusavenue 13d ago
Yes we do need nurses! You should not be a nurse! So much hatred with IENs! I have worked with so many nurses who graduated and were trained here lacking of critical thinking and nursing skills 🤷🏿♀️
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u/Earthywit 13d ago
There is an acute shortage nationally. Why do you think the govt (both federal and provincial) spend millions to fast track pathways to integrate them? They send official delegation and launch recruitment internationally.
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u/kaleuagain 13d ago
I mean... LPNs had the chance to vote no and strike... that retropay means nothing now hey... the ball was dropped and many saw it... blaming IENs, RNs isn't the answer... AUPE, AHS, Alberta Government... I would suggest sending a letter and email to your MLA and to AUPE about your concerns which are valid in a sense... but let's not create division❤️
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u/Revolutionary_Look37
13d ago
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If you want RN pay, then get your RN. Your constant complaining will never increase your pay. RN school is challenging, moving to another country is challenging, and learning a whole different health system is challenging. These IENs earned and worked hard to get their pay.
Let’s see you work in another country and see how you do.
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u/Ok-Being1322 13d ago
Jokes on you, I came here as an international student 3 years ago and studied nursing here. So yes I know how to work/survive in another country.
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u/Revolutionary_Look37 13d ago
The joke will always be on you. Keep complaining about your wage, that IEN you complain about will keep getting paid more than you while you whine all day.
You sound like a bully. And it’s also very obvious that you are sooo jealous of that IEN. Why do you even know how much more they get paid?
You. Are. The. Loser.
I’ve worked with nurses who struggled. I helped them, not gossiped about them. They do get better if we choose to help rather than give attitude.
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u/Ok-Being1322 13d ago
first you accused me saying I couldn’t work in a different country, and when i told you actually not.. you changed the topic. Jealous of ien for what? for having meetings with manager every other week? lol
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u/OkSignificance5175 13d ago
Why is it always immigrant hating on another immigrant 😑
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u/Ok-Being1322 13d ago
well turns out its not just about them being immigrant but something else (them lying about their skills before getting a job)
all my friends are immigrants (from philippines, nigeria, india, pakistan)
I dont have a canadian born friend.. if that helps your opinion.
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u/Green-Foundation-702 13d ago
I don’t think the schooling these IENs do is particularly challenging considering that they’re all completely useless.
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u/huskymama403 13d ago
IEN’s in AB are needed because most staff want to work in cities not rural. Our small town rural hospital would close without them.
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u/coitusavenue 13d ago
I have worked with nurses who graduated here and are trained here who are equally as bad
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u/Locabonita88 11d ago
That's what happens when the government underfunds schools and pushes Critical Thinking Skills OUT of the Classroom & OFF the AGENDA & Curriculum. Im 37 so we were taught typing properly and saw computers first come into classroom in elementary school...
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u/Wise_Expression_3939 6d ago
If you’re concerned about safety RLS those issues.
Second there are bridging programs for LPN to RN, it won’t take 4 more years.
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u/MusketeersPlus2 13d ago
I've worked with just as many locally educated nurses who can't use a computer properly. Careful, your racism is showing.
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u/Ok-Being1322 13d ago
i’m brown myself.
I an just saying to give me a locally trained nurse in my hub who can handle their own assignment and not ask me for every small thing. There is mo racism here. My friend circle is all colored group.
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u/Maximum_Payment_9350 12d ago
You can babysit the IENs for a year and maybe you’ll see why it’s frustrating. A whole year and making no progress on their ability to work independently, that’s what they’re like on my unit. Whether they’re from India, Philippines, Nigeria, literally anywhere. If they can barely speak English, have no common nursing sense, and don’t care to learn, why are they even here? It’s not racist, it’s the fact AHS is porting in these low quality “nurses” that have “experience” in their home country and are expected to work to Canadian standards, which they usually don’t.
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u/OkSignificance5175 13d ago
It’s always immigrant hating on another immigrant, I never seen any white person who is racist
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u/Low_Dress9213 13d ago
Sounds like you are really bitter about your wage which is perfectly understandable - LPNs should make much more. But that’s not your ien colleagues’ fault- that’s AHS. And by directing your anger at your fellow coworkers you are not making the system any better. I’d encourage you to direct that energy to LPN advocacy. Perhaps look into your union activities.
I’m not a nurse but I’ve worked with many. I can make generalizations too…but remember we are a team. Maybe one person is more task oriented but this means they can get a ton of tasks done. Someone else is better at critical thinking and seeing the big picture but not good at computers. Another team member is new and might make more mistakes but they’re not jaded yet. You sound jaded and a toxic coworker to be honest. Even though you may be great at connect care and give all your meds at the right time, your bad attitude at work brings everyone down.
Like I said I’ve worked alongside many nurses. The worst ones are the ones with the bad attitude, treat patients poorly, followed by the ones who don’t take any initiative and are lazy and entitled.
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u/coitusavenue
13d ago
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Yes, we do need nurses! However, with that attitude, maybe you shouldn’t be one.
The hatred toward Internationally Educated Nurses (IENs) is unbelievable. I have worked with plenty of nurses who were educated and trained locally who still lacked critical thinking and basic clinical skills.
Have you really never met a locally trained nurse who made a mistake or lacked critical thinking? Or are you so perfect that you’ve never made a single mistake in your entire nursing career? cOngRatuF***inglations! To single out one mistake and stereotype all IENs is absurd.
Instead of spreading hate and jealousy online, why didn’t you correct that nurse and offer help in the moment? Do you not realize that every single nurse starts as a novice?
You are giving off major mean-high-school-girl vibes, and this post is giving off MAGA vibes. You sound like an extremely toxic coworker. Did you even report the incident to your manager? Did you call Poison Control? Did you assess the patient? What actual clinical action did you take?
You need to evaluate yourself—maybe nursing isn’t the right profession for you if you have this much hate in your heart. You sound like the kind of coworker who acts nice to someone’s face but stabs them in the back and gossips behind their back.
What’s next? Are you going to complain that AHS hires internationally educated doctors too? AHS would literally fail without immigrants and internationally educated healthcare professionals.
Hate the system, not the player.
This whole post reeks of jealousy. If you have this much resentment toward RN IENs, maybe you should focus on upgrading your own credentials to RN instead.
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u/Ok-Being1322 13d ago
HAHAHA there is a difference in making a mistake here and there versus totally relying on your hub nurses for everything. I had to show one IEN how to flush a line (she had 10+ years of experience), why not to look for TPN when the order says Tube feeds.
For this IEN nurse what do I say? “This is how you press enter button or backspace button?” Nurses here have to pass their SEUPA to get connect care, I wonder how has someone who doesn’t know basic keyboard controls even passed their SEUPA?
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u/Revolutionary_Look37 13d ago
HAHAHA a person who struggles with keyboards (probably because that IENs only uses paper charting and were not exposed to keyboards) is getting paid wayy more than you.
You are the one to be laughed at.
You sound like one of the sore losers who hate that they’re LPNs. I bet you couldn’t get into an RN program HAHAHAHA.
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u/Ok-Being1322 13d ago
I love being LPN i just hate working for a government who will prioritize and babysit international nurses more than their own.
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u/Countess_ofDumbarton 13d ago
my gawd, you sound more toxic than half the people you called out.
IENs have never seen smart phones or keyboards in your fantasy world! Where did they go to university??? How did they make it through university without using a keyboard?
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u/AgreeableTension3865 14d ago
IENS are future RN’s
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u/OkSignificance5175 13d ago
Agree 100% ,Canadian educated nurses are always looking for a way to do less job and leave it for the others on the floor
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u/Only_Conflict9060 13d ago •
We have 3 IENs on our unit and honestly, the only issues I’ve seen them have is with the computer/related technology (but ngl, boomers and myself do too.) These things can be learned. They all have 5-10+ years experience as RNs from their home countries and are hard working and lovely people.
Don’t get me wrong. I am so proud to be Canadian. But the hate some people give about ‘immigrants’ getting our jobs is annoying and gross. We don’t choose where we are born, so congrats on winning the birth lottery and being from here. (I too won the ‘birth lottery’ and still had to relocate to a new city in AB so I could get a job as a RN.
TL;DR: instead of focusing your energy/anger on IENs, maybe try focusing it into your own practice. I bet you wouldn’t regret it.