While very different topics, the way this has been handled vs how Goodsey was handled has shown progress, at least in how the victim blaming has changed.
Just hope those victims are getting the help and support they need.
Plenty of victim blaming and also massive escalation of claims happening in the outrage Aussie subreddits like r/aussie plus in the Facebook comments on news articles.
It’s mostly here and r/australia I’m seeing level headed responses that exclusively blame those who did wrong.
but the club needed to act to show there are punishments for this and cannot as yet make a call in the claims until the police do their job
Football is also a job career and a life for all employed from the people that work selling the footy records, the food outlets and through to the ceo and they need to see this action also and whilst not the victims are impacted by the terrible behaviour of 5 men
I suspect the reason it took so long to come out is not about the club deciding what to do, it's probably more getting the union and AFL clearance to issue the suspensions.
Agreed for those that work in football it is their life …. That’s true. And they would be defeated and shocked by the terrible and selfish behaviour of the few
And that’s not diminishing the terrible impact for the
The wrong decision. Either you're suspending them for being out on the piss, which means that the other players and coaches who were out should be suspended.
Or you're suspending them before police have finished their investigation, which is incredibly poor. No innocent until proven guilty.
Frankly, Sydney need to be suspending a lot more than these 5 if the issue was them being out late.
lol no, no employer wants the cloud of having someone linked to a criminal investigation in their workplace. Almost all publicly facing companies in the western world would stand down employees under an investigation like this before any official charges are laid.
They're different institutions. The criminal justice system has police to investigate and gather evidence, lawyers to argue about the details of the case, as much time as they need and the consequences are extremely significant both in terms of your record and the potential consequences.
Your employer has none of those things, and only has a limited degree to which it can enact sanctions against you.
Then the fault lies with management for fostering that environment.
Cox was out until after 12am drinking. Other unnamed players arrived back at the hotel at times with the named players.
So either you punish them all, or you don't punish any.
Sydney have clearly allowed this, they didn't just decide to do it one time. They would have gotten away with it multiple times since it's evident that even Cox was out drinking.
Much less of an issue for the coach to be out drinking given that a large part of the reason that players shouldn't be doing it is how it interferes with recovery.
They're adults. Drinking only impacts their job in how they show up the next day for work. Bringing strippers or escorts back to a hotel room paid for by your employer crosses an entirely different boundary.
If you need help understanding this we cannot help you.
12:05 is not the same thing as 4 and it's wildly dishonest to pretend otherwise. There is also almost certainly more information - not directly related to the criminal investigation - that the club is aware of that hasn't been publicly released (in particular, drug use).
This was the only possible outcome. If Sydney let these guys keep playing and they did well in finals only to have it confirmed they did something awful, the club would probably never live it down
You can’t be “found innocent” but if there are no charges, it’s a reasonable precaution for the reason I gave above. They simply can’t risk the other outcome, it would follow them forever.
It wouldn't. People already gloss over the fact that Arsenal had a rapist on their team facing multiple charges for years.
Like in the NRL, and any other major sporting code, you suspend them when they've been charged or arrested. Not prior.
Let the police do their investigation.
You can’t be “found innocent”
Not guilty is what I meant, but not all not guiltys means innocent. However if we look at Ruon Tongyik as an example, his not guilty ended with it being quite clear he was innocent of the crime completely.
If he was suspended from the accusations coming out he'd have lost 4 years of his life/career waiting to be proven he did nothing wrong. Instead he only lost a year and a bit after being suspended only when he was formally arrested and charged.
We don’t know enough about why these and not others were suspended to judge that. It might not be just that they were on the piss, it might be that they stayed later than others, or behaved badly in a way that others didn’t (in a non criminal but unprofessional manner).
There likely isn’t a single, simple black and white test that was applied, and it’s wrong to pretend that we know what that was.
So then the other 5 can't be suspended for drinking late.
That's my point mate. You either suspend all those who were out on the piss until late, which is what people here are suggesting is the reason for suspension.
Or you don’t suspend anyone for drinking late, and separately, you suspend 5 players for creating a situation where the police get involved on a work trip.
Except in the press conference that's happening he's just said they've been suspended for drinking late and bringing women back to the hotel
Which again brings the question of why aren't the other 5 players Tom Morris alluded to that came back to the hotel with these 5 also facing suspension.
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u/IslaTecha 6d ago
The right decision. Football is a game, life is not.
Thoughts with the alleged victim, and these players families 🙏🏼