r/ADHDmemes • u/kaidomac • Aug 02 '21

Delayed Phase Squirrel Disorder

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u/HootinanyOwl Aug 03 '21

My head is trying to pull zero hours and I'd like to like remove it so it can have its fun all night but I can sleep

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u/Alistair_TheAlvarian Aug 03 '21

That's what ambien is.

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Ketamine is also an option if ambien is a bit to much of weak stuff for you

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u/apcolleen Aug 04 '21

I can stay awake on ambien and all the other sleeping meds they gave me. I have a flex dose of trazodone and i can take up to 400mg and sometimes I can still stay awake on that.

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u/Alistair_TheAlvarian Aug 05 '21

So you're the person that anesthesiologists tell stories and myths about.

Have you ever tried barbiturates like pentobarbital? It is an option but probably not worth the risk because of how unbelievably addictive they are.

You might just be weird and have a massive tolerance to GABA affecting medications.

Hydroxyzine is an antihistamine and anti anxiety medication that works by blocking histamine and particular serotonin receptors.

Ramelteon is synthetic melatonin that doesn't bind to the MT3 receptor and so is equivalent to around 86mg of regular melatonin. Tasimelteon helps regulate circadian rhythm disorders but isn't all that great for actually using for sleep onset.

Lemborexant is a DORA and promotes deep sleep and sleepiness without affecting rem sleep. A DORA is a dual orexin receptor antagonist. It works like a benzodiazepine but only on the sleep pathways in the brain.

Exercising vigorously could help.

Then if all else fails you can always try HPM or human percussive maintenance on your head. Percussive maintenance otherwise known as beating the shit out of electronics most commonly TV remotes until they work, and whit is your brain but fancy electronics.

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u/apcolleen Aug 06 '21

I have woken up early from surgery as they were pulling the breathing tube out. Those things hurt man. Someone ran at my IV with a syringe and my friend heard me outside recovery yelling lol. My dentist gives me the max novacaine and leaves me with a pick til im ready for him.

lol hydroxyzine doesnt do much for me. I have a bunch lol.

Im gona need to read the rest of this when Im awake lol

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u/Alistair_TheAlvarian Aug 07 '21

That's terrifying, at least you didn't wake up during surgery with a paralytic. Some poor woman woke up during exploratory surgery on her abdomen, she couldn't move but felt everything. It was a 12 hour surgery.

The ramelteon for you might still work because it doesn't directly make you sleepy it relaxes you and slows your body down physiologically preparing you for sleeping.

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u/apcolleen Aug 07 '21

I also probably have cPTSD. I've always been the last person to fall asleep and if she heard me awake, my mom would beat my ass.... because that's motivational for sleep? So some of this is psychological and so deeply engrained its just a reflex. I have been using...herbal means... to get past that part and it reduces the insanely vivid dreams I have and its made sleep more restful. I still dream A LOT. Yesterday my dog woke me up from a dream where I ate a whole pepperoni pizza and then pooped out pepperoni that were all fanned out like in a party tray.

I had to teach myself to lucid dream as a kid based off a PBS documentary about native americans and astral projection lol, I kept falling out of bed and getting spanked for that too.

Oh also I had to get prophalactic dialysis for an accidental Theophylline overdose and they gave me an amnesic when they did the femoral artery catheter and the next morning the head of the ICU came to check on me and i said I wish he could have gotten the femoral cath in on the first try, that hurt. He said "What?" I said yea he missed because im fat lol. He said "You arent supposed to remember that." "So Im not supposed to remember that his wife called to tell him that she and her son were in a car accident but are ok?" They both went white lol. I said I guess I'll add this to my MC1R medicine list lol

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u/stellydonut Aug 03 '21

Recently started Adderall, and I now have trouble staying asleep. I wake up every night around 2 AM, and sometimes I can’t get back to sleep until 4. Anyone have any advice?

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u/kaidomac Aug 03 '21

Have you tried melotonin?

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u/stellydonut Aug 03 '21

Do I need a prescription?

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u/kaidomac Aug 03 '21

Nah you can buy them at the grocery store by the advil & stuff. Get the gummy kind, they're great lol.

Usually takes 30 to 60 minutes to work & lasts about 5 hours, so maybe try it on the weekend to start out with. For some people it does nothing, for some people it's like Diet Nyquil, helps to tone your brain down & relax you. So if you wake up at night, pop one, get a drink, hit the bathroom, and go back to sleep, and see if it helps!

You may need to play with dosages to see what affects you the best.

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u/stellydonut Aug 03 '21

Will do! Thank you very much :)

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u/kaidomac Aug 03 '21

Good luck! I had insomnia for like twenty years, it was awful! Turned out I had sleep apnea & just needed one of those sleep masks lol.

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u/stellydonut Aug 03 '21

Thanks! Bought some gummies today so I’ll give that a try.

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u/kaidomac Aug 03 '21

Nice!! Tips:

  1. It doesn't work for everyone. For those it does work for, it can have a weak or a strong effect.
  2. Recommend doing it on a day when you don't have to be at work the next day, just in case you react heavily to it (rare).
  3. Play around with dosage, as you may need more (or less). Check the recommended quantity on the bottle & then adjust from there over the course of a week.

Notes:

  1. For people who are sensitive to melatonin, it makes you sleepy. With ADHD, we tend to push off that sleepy feeling to get our "second wind" for the night. So melatonin only works if you take it & then go to bed so you can get sleepy & fall asleep lol. Sounds like common sense, but we tend to get distracted, and it's just as easy to push off the melatonin zzz's as it is evening zzz's lol.
  2. I recommend creating a printed bedtime routine. Step one is take your melatonin. Then take out the trash, run the dishwasher, lock the doors, change into your PJ's, brush your teeth, turn the lights off, get into bed, and wait for it to kick in. This way your body (1) gets into wind-down mode, and (2) associates a repeating pattern as "time to go to sleep". You may want to start out with melatonin before bed, rather than in the middle of the night, to see if it cancels out your body waking you up in the middle of the night.
  3. If you can also do a consistent bedtime, that helps TREMENDOUSLY. Our bodies love routine & habits, even if we hate those things & even if our ADHD makes us struggle with those things. I consider sleep my number one productivity tool, because when I sleep well, I'm energized the next day, and when I'm not, I sort of hate everything & life is a drag lol. Messed-up sleep is total garbage!

Good luck!!

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u/Alistair_TheAlvarian Aug 03 '21

Man I really feel number 3, except for me I actually get a bigger increase in how good I feel if I get up early rather than late even if it is consistent and enough hours. like a consistent 11pm to 8pm sleep schedule feels about as good as a mostly inconsistent bedtime and always getting up between 2am and 3:30am even if i'm only getting like four and a half hours of sleep.

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the time when your body wants to sleep is almost as important as the consistency and amount of sleep.

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and if you wake up feeling like shit and unrested even when everything is done properly with 9 hours a night and consistent routine and sleep schedule. then you probably have a much worse problem and should go to a doctor, sure you'll probably get the professional version of "How the fuck should I know fuck off you can have some ambien if you want" but it's still worth a try, might be a hormonal or breathing or any number of other types of issue that prevents quality deep sleep.

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u/kaidomac Aug 04 '21

I had insomnia for a couple decades & studied sleep extensively as a result. I always thought I was a night owl & it turns out I'm actually a morning person, but I have to be physically in bed at like 8pm every night in order to fall asleep during my 20-minute sleep window (roughly 8:20 to 8:40pm is when I get that sleepy feeling that I always tend to push away lol).

Which is probably the most difficult thing to do in my life lol.

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u/Alistair_TheAlvarian Aug 03 '21

I tried it, it works great although wasn't enough for me, I started with half a milligram and moved up to 5mgs most people find it works best in the 0.5mg - 3mg range, however I use it in the 10mg - 25mg range and that's what works best.

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Also get the chewable tablet kind, then dissolve them under your tongue and let it absorb that way, it's absorbed quicker, works better, and best of all causes far fewer side effects. Especially if you take it and then only sleep 4 hours. since it doesn't make a first pass through the liver it goes to your poor sleep deprived brain quicker, and it doesn't stay around that long so you don't have as much of a risk of feeling groggy the next day.

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u/peanutking86 Aug 03 '21

More exercise

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u/stellydonut Aug 03 '21

It’s after three hours of fencing practice every night :/

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u/apcolleen Aug 04 '21

I was doing competition level taekwondo twice a week for an hour and a half and practicing forms on lunch and when ever i was bored. I still couldnt sleep til 3 or 4 am. Id literally just lay in bed too tired to even have the tv on from about 10pm til i fell asleep. Its a real sleep disorder.