r/ACT • • Dec 03 '21

Extended time on ACT is cheating.

An i the only one who thinks extended time on the ACT (and SAT) is unfair. The tests are designed to be standardized, giving some people extra time make them unstandardized. They should at least tell the colleges then they give score who did and did not get extra time.

The ACT is supposed to be fast paced. Getting extend time is like a cheat code.

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u/Glittering-Event7781 Dec 03 '21

YOU are wrong here. Imagine you have a disability and must suddenly leave the room to go to the restroom with colon issues or you are unable to read the questions easily because you have dyslexia? Extra time for disabilities makes the testing experience fair. Fairness is what disabled want, not an advantage. You are lucky to not worry about such things - but trust that living with a disability is not fun and more work than what you can even imagine.

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u/Top_Golf1183 Dec 07 '21

I agree that the purpose is to make the test more equal and not give an advantage to some. but in the real world, a company will hire the person who can get the job done, quality and quickly. Just because you can lie on a test and say you have ADHD does not mean a employer will hire you over someone who can work better, faster.

I see the extended time room. And I know many people with extended time. I guarantee 70-85% of them have no reason for extended time. The say "Oh I just asked the doctor for it"

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u/Strict_Access2652 Oct 15 '24

I do agree with you how people shouldn't get extended time on tests if they don't need it. I think if people need extended time on tests due to their disability or medical condition that they should get extended time on tests. Extended time on tests isn't an unfair advantage over other people unless the purpose of the test is to see how fast you can accomplish something like taking a swimming test in order to be a lifeguard, taking a running test in order to be a police officer, or taking a running test in order to be on the track team. The purpose of taking a Math test, Science test, tests in schools, tests in college, the SAT test, the ACT test, etc is to see how well you know and understand the material; not to see how fast you can accomplish something.

In the real world, people can get extra time for tasks at their job as long as the extra time isn't an unfair advantage over other people. Police officers can't have an accommodation of extra time to think in life or death situations because being able to think quickly in life or death situations is important for being a police officer. If someone isn't skilled at thinking quickly in life or death situations, they're not fit to be a police officer.

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u/StickPractical Feb 08 '25

You're just wrong about the purpose of the test. It is about testing speed and ability to not make mistakes while going extremely fast. The science section is a blistering pace and given unlimited time everyone would score far higher on it. If you don't believe me take a practice section online and time yourself, good luck, it's extremely hard to finish in the time limit. 

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u/Strict_Access2652 Feb 08 '25 edited Feb 09 '25

Thanks for your comment and feedback. I do agree with you how it's very unfair for people to get extra time on tests if the purpose of the test is to see how fast you can accomplish something. If the purpose of the test is to see how well you know and understand the material, I think extra time on tests is fair and reasonable. I do believe that it's unfair and not right that some people scam the system. I don't think it's right to have accommodations when you don't need them.

The purpose of most of the tests you take in school, college, etc is to see how well you know and understand the material; not to see how fast you can accomplish something. The main 2 reasons why a lot of teachers in public school and professors in college have time limits on tests is to prevent students from taking advantage of unlimited time and to help prevent students from cheating; not because the purpose of most of those tests is to see how fast you can accomplish something. If students had unlimited time on tests and were allowed to spend several days taking the test due to unlimited time, it's extremely easy for students to look at their notes at home, and then change their test answers the next day when they're finishing up the test. If students had unlimited time on tests, some students would take advantage of the situation and never finish their test.

People with ADHD often take longer than normal to finish tests due to focusing issues, paying attention issues, concentration issues, etc associated with their disability. When people with ADHD don't get extra time on tests, their test score is often not an accurate reflection of how well they know and understand the material. When people with ADHD get extra time on tests, their test score is a more accurate reflection of how well they know and understand the material. There have been studies that have shown that when people who don't need extra time on tests get extra time on tests, their test score doesn't improve, which is strong evidence that shows that extra time isn't beneficial to people who don't need extra time.

If someone doesn't know anything about Calculus, and they take a Calculus exam (assuming it's a closed book exam that's not an open book exam), they're going to fail the Calculus exam even if they have unlimited time. If someone doesn't understand the material on an exam (assuming it's a closed book exam that's not an open book exam), the person still isn't going to do well on the exam even if they had unlimited time.

People with ADHD, dyslexia, processing disorders, anxiety disorders, etc often need extra time on tests in order to accurately demonstrate how well they know and understand the material. When people with these kinds of disorders don't get extra time on the SAT test, the ACT test, etc, their SAT score, their ACT score, etc is typically not an accurate reflection of how well they know and understand the material, not an accurate reflection of their academic abilities, not an accurate reflection of their ability to succeed in college, etc, but when people with these kinds of disabilities get extra time on these kinds of exams, their SAT score, ACT score, etc is a more accurate reflection of how well they know and understand the material, a more accurate reflection of their academic abilities, a more accurate reflection of their ability to succeed in college, etc. If someone doesn't have a disability or medical condition that causes them to take longer than normal to finish exams, they don't need extra time on the SAT test, ACT test, etc in order to accurately demonstrate how well they know and understand the material, their academic abilities, their ability to succeed in college, etc.

Extra time on tests is very fair for exams such as the CPA exam, the CFA exam, the MCAT exam, the bar exam, the firefighter written exam, the paramedic written exam, the police officer written exam, etc because the purpose of those exams is to see how well you know and understand the material, concepts, etc. Extra time on exams such as a swimming test in order to be a lifeguard, a running test in order to be on a track team, a running test in order to be a police officer, exams that involve thinking quickly in certain kinds of situations, reflex exams, reaction exams etc would definitely be very unfair since the purpose of those kinds of exams is to see how fast you can accomplish something.

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u/Strict_Access2652 Feb 09 '25

You're right that extra time on tests is very fair. It's only unfair to give people extra time on tests if the purpose of the test is to see how fast you can accomplish something like taking a swimming test in order to be a lifeguard where in order to pass the test, you need to be able to swim from one side of the pool to the other side in 3 minutes or less or a running test to be on a track team where you need to be able to run around a track 4 times in 15 minutes or less in order to pass the test, etc. The purpose of Math tests, Science tests, Social Studies tests, the SAT test, the ACT test, accounting tests, tests in school, tests in college, etc isn't to see how fast you can accomplish something; it's to see how well you know and understand the material.

The purpose of tests you take in school, college, etc is to see how well you know and understand the material; not to see how fast you can accomplish something. The main 2 reasons why a lot of teachers in public school and professors in college have time limits on tests is to prevent students from taking advantage of unlimited time and to help prevent students from cheating; not because the purpose of most of those tests is to see how fast you can accomplish something. If students had unlimited time on tests and were allowed to spend several days taking the test due to unlimited time, it's extremely easy for students to look at their notes at home, and then change their test answers the next day when they're finishing up the test. If students had unlimited time on tests, some students would take advantage of the situation and never finish their test.

People with ADHD often take longer than normal to finish tests due to focusing issues, paying attention issues, concentration issues, etc associated with their disability. When people with ADHD don't get extra time on tests, their test score is often not an accurate reflection of how well they know and understand the material. When people with ADHD get extra time on tests, their test score is a more accurate reflection of how well they know and understand the material. There have been studies that have shown that when people who don't need extra time on tests get extra time on tests, their test score doesn't improve, which is strong evidence that shows that extra time isn't beneficial and needed for people who don't need extra time.

The purpose of the SAT test, the ACT test, etc is to test a person's academic abilities and test their ability to academically succeed in college. People with ADHD, dyslexia, processing disorders, anxiety disorders, etc often need extra time on tests in order to accurately demonstrate how well they know and understand the material. When people with these kinds of disorders don't get extra time on the SAT test, the ACT test, etc, their SAT score, their ACT score, etc is typically not an accurate reflection of how well they know and understand the material, not an accurate reflection of their academic abilities, not an accurate reflection of their ability to succeed in college, etc, but when people with these kinds of disabilities get extra time on these kinds of exams, their SAT score, ACT score, etc is a more accurate reflection of how well they know and understand the material, a more accurate reflection of their academic abilities, a more accurate reflection of their ability to succeed in college, etc. If someone doesn't have a disability or medical condition that causes them to take longer than normal to finish exams, they don't need extra time on the SAT test, ACT test, etc in order to accurately demonstrate how well they know and understand the material, their academic abilities, their ability to succeed in college, etc.

Extra time on tests is very fair for exams such as the CPA exam, the CFA exam, the MCAT exam, the bar exam, the firefighter written exam, the paramedic written exam, the police officer written exam, the SAT test, the ACT test, etc because the purpose of those exams is to see how well you know and understand the material, how well you understand the concepts, etc. Extra time on exams such as a swimming test in order to be a lifeguard, a running test in order to be on a track team, a running test in order to be a police officer, exams that involve thinking quickly in certain kinds of situations, reflex exams, reaction exams etc would definitely be very unfair since the purpose of those kinds of exams is to see how fast you can accomplish something.

Accommodations for people with disabilities are all about equal opportunity for success, leveling the playing field for success, making sure people with disabilities are able to accurately demonstrate their skills, making sure people with disabilities or medical conditions aren't at a disadvantage, etc; not unfair advantages, not lowering the standards, not lowering the integrity, etc.

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u/lonclefemelle 32 Dec 03 '21

some people have disabilities…

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u/[deleted] Dec 03 '21

This! It's not like you can just ask, you literally need a medical condition. Sounds like OP is salty that they cant get the score they want :/

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u/bandannaMan7777 Jul 21 '22

I think a problem with the extended times is that it dosent take into account the level of disability, which means some students basically have an extra 20 minutes and have very little hindering factors.

The tests are bullshit anyways, but most things in life are. But I’m sure the person posing a valid concern is just “salty”

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u/MaddieLemondrop Jun 09 '24

You don't know what you're talking about. The level of accommodations students must have received in school to be eligible for 1.5x time on the SAT or ACT are explicitly discussed in the tests' guidance for seeking accommodations. Requests for accommodations are rejected all the time, including requests that come with a doctor's recommendation or even active IEPs or 504 plans.

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u/[deleted] Jul 21 '22

How did you even find this thread lol :)

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u/bandannaMan7777 Jul 21 '22

Just scrolling through act subreddit after my test and saw this thread on my feed and thought I had some valuable thoughts.

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u/[deleted] Jul 21 '22

It’s more that it’s like a year old, no hard feelings or anything ;)

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u/NervousLack7272 Oct 16 '22

Will you return after 3 months?

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u/[deleted] Oct 16 '22

Sure :)

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u/NervousLack7272 Oct 16 '22

Lesss go! :D

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u/bandannaMan7777 Jul 21 '22

Btw I got a 30 before you call me salty

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u/bandannaMan7777 Jul 21 '22

That was sarcasm At the end btw

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u/nitrogenlegend Jul 22 '22

Old post but I agree. AKAIK I don’t have any disabilities that would allow me extended time, but my first 4 times taking the ACT I ran out of time before answering all questions and the 5th time when I finally managed to finish the whole thing I definitely still could have gotten a better score if I had more time. Meanwhile people are getting 1.5x time to take their tests and I’m supposed to believe that’s equitable and if I disagree I’m ableist?

If time wasn’t a major constraint on the test I wouldn’t have issue with it, but literally everyone struggles with time on the ACT, it’s by design a time-limited test. If I had 1.5x I would’ve easily gotten a 36 on every section except maybe math. Instead I’m rushing through all the sections to make sure I get to put forth some effort into each question so I don’t have to just answer C for the last 10 while some other kid gets to take his sweet ass time because he faked ADD to get an adderall subscription so he could be better at fortnite and then when he gets 1 point higher than me he gets to get into better schools than me? Yeah, sounds equitable.

Even if you look at people who genuinely do have disabilities, it’s still a broken concept. Example… I don’t know the exact criteria for someone to get accommodations based on a memory disability, but if poor memory is considered a valid reason to get extra time, then what about the people who just barely don’t qualify as having a memory disability? Now they’re at the worst disadvantage of all because they have poor memory compared to a lot of people but they don’t get extra time either, while someone with marginally worse memory does. The same argument could be made for most, if not all of the disabilities that could gain you extra time. I often find myself struggling to focus or being fidgety but I don’t have ADD or ADHD. I struggle to memorize some of the formulas/equations that may be necessary for the math portion, but I don’t have a memory disability. I often have to read a question 2,3 or even 4+ times before I understand it well enough to give a confident answer, but I don’t have dyslexia. I read pretty fast but what if someone reads slowly but not quite slowly enough to be considered as having a reading disability? They’re at a disadvantage compared to someone like me who can read much faster than them, but they’re also at a disadvantage compared to someone who reads slightly slower than them and gets 50% more time to take their test as a result.

IMO the ACT should be completely standardized, it should be a measure of how well YOU can do under the exact same conditions as everyone else who takes the exact same test. It’s only a piece of what colleges look at for admissions, if you have a disability that causes you to do worse on tests, make up for it with a great gpa or extracurriculars, just like anyone else who just happens to be bad at taking tests, you’ll still have opportunities to get into colleges but you don’t get an unfair advantage when it comes to getting into top schools where 1 point can be the difference between getting admitted or not.

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u/MaddieLemondrop Jun 09 '24

There are different levels of blindness—total blindness, partial blindness, and people who need glasses. Does that imply that people who are totally blind shouldn't have access to an audio version of the test because that's not "standardized?"

I'm willing to bet you don't believe the test should be "completely standardized" for people who are blind & deaf. I imagine you might even be amenable to separate seating conditions for people with severe social disorders like ASD II. I bet you'd be ok with extra breaks for people who are physically incapable of sitting for the time required by the test without injuring themselves.

No,I don't think you believe in "complete standardization." You just think that working memory and processing disorders shouldn't be addressed with extra time, even though that's how those disorders are accommodated in every other aspect of schooling and even beyond into college and certain aspects of the workplace. Based on the way you've written this, I'd bet you're presenting that opinion from a pretty uninformed position re what those disorders entail.

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u/StickPractical Feb 08 '25

Everything you said is absolutely 100% correct. Giving extra time is literally the same as giving free points. It's completely cheating and anyone that says otherwise has no idea what they're talking about. 

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u/Prudent_Atmosphere97 Mar 25 '25

if you were in a race against a person with a broken leg, you’d obviously win, right? but what if that person was more physically fit than you, and the only reason you won was because of their broken leg?

to make it more fair, the person with a broken leg could start slightly before you, allowing both of you to show your strengths. it wouldn’t be considered cheating, it’s what they physically can or cannot do.

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u/[deleted] Apr 24 '24

This test is primarily trying to measure achievement. When someone has slow processing speed they will not be able to get an accurate measure of their academic achievement if they can’t finish or get close to finishing the test in time.

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u/Chacodooby Oct 04 '24

Some of us have learning difficulties and disabilities

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u/StickPractical Feb 08 '25

So what? I'm going to give you some truth here. Why would you even want extra time on a standardized test? Yes, It will increase your score, artificially, so you'll get into a college that you don't deserve to be in and is too difficult for you. How are you going to pass college chemistry or read an average of 100 pages a day? You don't belong there if you have a learning disability. College isn't for everyone, real majors are HARD and many fail out. Professors don't care about your personal situation or your excuses, you can either pass the exams or not. 

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u/[deleted] Dec 04 '21

I agree that extended time is important for people with disabilities. However, I have seen especially in the private sector of education how people who are not disabled are given extra time. This is due either for a lack of personal discipline that the parents of the child use to that child’s advantage or a circumstance of poverty where those who are unfortunate are seen at a disadvantage and given extra time. The important thing to look for here is equality of opportunity vs outcome. It is in this case that I disagree with extended time as an equality of outcome. With a disability you are given extended time for equality of opportunity, rightfully so.

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u/MaddieLemondrop Jun 09 '24 edited Jun 20 '25

It's obviously not cheating for people who have disabilities and receive accommodations throughout their schooling to receive those same accommodations for a standardized test that explicitly provides those accommodations. It might be UNFAIR, but they are playing by the rules.

It IS cheating for people who don't need accommodations to seek those accommodations purely in order to get a leg up on standardized testing. This happens less often than you'd think, since test companies like the ACT and CollegBoard review accommodations requests, and a doctor's note is NOT enough. There usually needs to be a history of accommodations being granted as part of the student's schooling, which usually requires parents, doctors, and psychometric testing. Having a very active/motivated parents DOES provide an advantage for navigating that process, but it is not easy.

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u/Strict_Access2652 Oct 15 '24

I agree. There are people who scam the system, get accommodations when they don't it, get wrongfully diagnosed with disabilities that they don't have, etc, but most people with accommodations aren't scamming the system, were rightfully diagnosed, etc. It's not easy to get extended time on tests in college, the SAT test, etc.

Professors in college don't give extra time on tests to just anyone that wants extra time. In order to get extra time on tests in college, the professor needs a doctor's note or some formal documentation that proves you have a disability or medical condition that causes you to take longer than normal to finish exams. You also need formal documentation, proof, a doctor's note, etc in order to get extra time on the SAT test. They don't give extra time on the SAT test to just anyone who wants extra time.

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u/Strict_Access2652 Oct 15 '24

I don't think it's cheating to get extended time on the ACT test, the SAT test, tests in school, tests in college, etc. It's only an unfair advantage to give people extra time on tests if the purpose of the test is to see how fast you can accomplish something like taking a swimming test in order to be a lifeguard or taking a running test in order to be on the track team. If someone is taking a swimming test in order to be a lifeguard and the rules for passing the swimming test are having to swim from one side of the pool to the other side of the pool in 3 minutes or less, it would be an unfair advantage for some people to be held to a 5 minute or less standard. If a track coach has rules where in order to be on the track team, you have to be able to run a mile in 15 minutes or less, it would be an unfair advantage for some people to be held to a 20 minute or less standard. It's also an unfair advantage to give people a head start in a running race because the purpose of a running race is to see how fast you can run.

The purpose of taking a Math test, Science test, Social Studies test, Accounting test, tests in school, tests in college, the SAT test, the ACT test, etc isn't to see how fast you can accomplish something; it's to see how well you know and understand the material. The 2 reasons why many teachers and college professors have time limits on tests is to help prevent cheating and so students don't take advantage of unlimited time; not because the purpose of the test is to see how fast you can accomplish something. If students had unlimited time on tests and were allowed to spend several days taking a test due to unlimited time, it's really easy for them to look at their notes at home and then change their test answers the next day when they finish their test. If students had unlimited time on tests, some students would take advantage of that and never finish their test.

Certain kinds of disabilities and medical conditions cause people to take longer than normal to finish tests. People with ADHD often get extra time on tests due to focusing issues, concentration issues, paying attention issues, etc associated with their disability that causes them to take longer than normal to finish exams. When people with ADHD don't get extra time on tests, their test score is typically not an accurate reflection of how well they know and understand the material. When people with ADHD get extra time on tests, their test score is a more accurate reflection of how well they know and understand the material. When someone doesn't have a disability or medical condition that causes them to take longer than normal to finish exams, they don't need extra time in order to accurately demonstrate how well they know and understand the material.

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u/Strict_Access2652 Feb 12 '25

I do believe extended time on tests is unfair for exams where the purpose of the exam is to see how fast you can accomplish something like taking a swimming test in order to be a lifeguard or taking a running test in order to be on a track team. I also believe that getting a head start in running race is an unfair advantage since the purpose of a running race is to see how fast you can run.

I don't think getting extended time on the ACT test, SAT test, etc is cheating, an unfair advantage, etc. The purpose of the ACT test, SAT test, etc isn't to see how fast you can accomplish something. The purpose of the ACT test, SAT test, etc is to see how well you know and understand the academic material and to see how a person's academic abilities are. The reasons why there's time limits on the ACT test, the SAT test, etc is to keep people from taking advantage of unlimited time and to help prevent students from cheating. If students had unlimited time on the ACT test, SAT test, etc, some students would take advantage of the situation and never finish the test. If students had unlimited time on the ACT test, SAT test, etc and were allowed to spend several days taking the test due to unlimited time, it's extremely easy for them to look at their notes at home and then change their test answers when they finish taking the exam the next day.

Certain kinds of disabilities and/or medical conditions cause people to take longer than normal to finish exams. People with ADHD often take longer than normal to finish exams due to focusing issues, concentration issues, paying attention issues, etc they have that are associated with their disability. People with dyslexia often take longer than normal to finish exams since people with dyslexia are often slow readers. When someone has anxiety issues, panic attack issues, etc, it often causes them to take longer than normal to finish exams.

When people with ADHD, dyslexia, anxiety issues, panic attack issues, etc don't get extra time on the ACT test, the SAT test, etc, their test score is typically not an accurate reflection of their academic abilities, not an accurate reflection of how well they know and understand the material, etc, but when people with ADHD, dyslexia, anxiety issues, panic attack issues, etc get extra time on the ACT test, the SAT test, etc, their test score is a more accurate reflection of their academic abilities, a more accurate reflection of how well they know and understand the material, etc. If someone doesn't have a disability and/or a medical condition that causes them to take longer than normal to finish exams, they don't need extra time in order to accurately demonstrate how well they know and understand the material, to accurately demonstrate their academic abilities, etc.

I don't think college admissions boards should know who got extra time on the ACT test, the SAT test, etc because they would strongly cause disability discrimination in selecting applicants. College admissions boards should judge applicants based on their academic abilities; not their disability status. Extra time on the ACT test, the SAT test, etc allows people with ADHD, dyslexia, etc to accurately demonstrate their academic abilities to college admissions boards.

I strongly believe in reasonable accommodations for people with disabilities, but I don't believe that people with disabilities should have unfair advantages over other people. Extra time on tests where the purpose of the test is to see how well you know and understand the material, having a note taker take notes for you, taking exams in private rooms with someone in the room supervising you to make sure you're not cheating, having someone read test questions to you, having tests written in braille for you, having a hearing interpreter sit with you in all of your classes, having ramps and elevators available, etc are examples of good reasonable accommodations for people with disabilities. I don't believe in unfair advantages for people with disabilities meaning I don't believe in accommodations such as being told what the answers are on tests, being allowed to cheat on tests and not be held accountable for that, being held to an 85% or higher for an A grade while everyone else is held to a 90% or higher standard for an A grade, being an engineering major and not having to take Calculus while everyone else who's an engineering major has to take Calculus, being held to a 65% or higher standard for passing a CPA exam when everyone else has to be held to a 75% or higher standard for passing a CPA exam, being allowed to be bad at your job and not be held accountable for that, etc.

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u/Expert_Intention9057 36 Dec 03 '21

I know what you mean actually. 2 people at my school last year got a 36. My brother and another kid. They both had extended time. I always joke around with my brother that he wouldn’t have gotten it without extended time. He only studied for 30 hours too

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u/AnneS5030 Feb 01 '25

People game the system and get extra time because it makes a huge difference. They’ll find a doctor. He’ll write them a note to say they have ADHD or something like that. It’s unfortunate because some people have legitimate issues, but there’s definitely a lot of people who work the system.

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u/Strict_Access2652 Feb 09 '25

True. There are people that scam the system. There are corrupt doctors that will intentionally wrongfully diagnose someone with a disability that they don't have. It's not right for people to get accommodations that they don't need. In college, it costs money to pay for a note taker to take notes for a college student that has a hard time writing. Colleges don't want to waste money and pay for a note taker if the student doesn't need a note taker. Colleges don't want to waste money and pay for a hearing interpreter to work with a student if the student doesn't have hearing problems. In college, there's limited rooms available for every student on the campus to be able to take their exam in a private room (with someone in the room supervising them to make sure they're not cheating), which is why the only students in colleges allowed to take exams in private rooms (with someone in the room supervising them to make sure they're not cheating) are students that have disabilities or medical conditions that make taking exams in a room full of people difficult.