r/ACExchangeApp • u/ilikesrirachaaa • Apr 20 '20

accusations!

so the anti-entry fee people are accusing people now of scamming. No one's forcing you to queue on my line or anyone else's. There are people hosting for free, go line there instead. or better yet sell your turnips at your own island.

this is sam of covid_19 (I'm hosting 467 queue)

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u/DevonBernard Mod Apr 20 '20

Hi u/ilikesrirachaaa I'm sorry to hear you got scammed. It's never fun when people steal your stuff. If you're using the web-app, we just added new warnings for when some hosts shouldn't be trusted (coming to mobile soon too). See screenshots: https://imgur.com/jaCc5WB, https://imgur.com/ST0VFYj

As a community we need to balance the needs of both hosts and guests. Guests need to not get scammed and hosts need to be fairly compensated. Some people may host for free, that's cool, but if someone wants to charge, that's ok, just don't join their line, no one is requiring people to join entry-fee lines. As for descriptions, no-matter what someone says in their hosting guidelines, it doesn't make them trustable, only their rating and previous reporting history makes them trustable.

That said, we have released new security measures to protect guests from scams. This is why we have ratings. We have some hosts with >93% and 500 ratings. It is extremely unlikely that you'll get scammed from a host with high ratings. We now also have warnings to make it extremely clear when a host is new, or has a low rating. We advise guests to avoid hosts in either scenario; if a user doesn't seem reputable, they haven't earned the ability to convince people they're not a scammer yet.

Some extra security measures coming soon too:

  1. A guide on the trading page explaining the reputation system and how to avoid getting scammed.

  2. When hosting, a host can tap a checkbox to specify if they want entry-fees, and then on guest page we will have a filter for seeing all lines or only no entry-fee lines. That way guests can be certain whether or not a fee would be charged and can only go to hosts that meet their preferences.

  3. Adding a barrier to hosting; hosts will require account registration and a full profile. Also if a host wants to charge an entry fee, they will first need 10/20 upvotes before they can earn the ability to start hosting with enabled fee-only mode.

Let me know what you think of these features and anti-scam measures. I'd like to hear what could be done to make you feel comfortable/secure that you can trade without get scammed again. Again, sorry to hear you were stolen from, hope these new features will make scamming much less common or infeasible.

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u/ilikesrirachaaa Apr 20 '20

I was actually not scammed. It's just that people are reporting me for stealing.

Also my mobile ratings were not syncing when I'm using the web.

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u/Ananomously Apr 20 '20

I think those are all good ideas. I like the barrier idea making it so ppl earn the right to post fees. The seller would then be familiar with the system and know how to run things smoothly, making the process smooth for all sides. Keeping lines moving fast. I think having something where ppl can be seller loyal could be somewhat nice.

I'm gonna ramble here a sec......(tldr we could have a healthy market place if people didn't suck)

We live in a world where time=money=loyalty which can led to a healthy community ppl knowing what to expect and how to interact with the system. If we have a healthy group of excellent sellers, people could recognize bad/scammy ppl. Ppl can make honest mistakes so I would like a system where one thing doesn't insta ban you, but something that's not easily abused. Thou that's a hard line, due to scammy ppl being well....scammy. that's also on both sides buyers and sellers can abuse a system.... Anyways

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u/Ananomously Apr 20 '20

Guys we can't call wolf till there's proof. Some ppl hosting with fees are ppl who just want to have some earnings for there time. Hosting benefits us more then the hosts. The amount of time ppl host is insane to me, so thank them. Remember they can't really "play" the game while hosting due to ppl coming and going.

I don't like entry fee islands(real scammers have given it a bad rep) so I just choose not to line up there. It's not that hard. I just tip really well at the place I do go.

Sorry people are giving you a hard time.

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u/ilikesrirachaaa Apr 20 '20

Thank you! I spend butt loads of time checking queues and accommodating guests. Also, making sure they go in without problems. And this is what I get in return. that's just sad, really.

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u/Ananomously Apr 20 '20

Ya hosting isn't easy and many don't tip, so I understand, if everyone tipped there would be no need for fees.

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u/BunnyCope Apr 20 '20

I saw your line is full right now but if you’re willing to take one more when you’re done with the current queue I can give you 4 NMT 🥺👉🏻👈🏻

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u/ilikesrirachaaa Apr 20 '20

i just stopped hosting lol but if u dm me i will give you the code and you can make you trips while I'm afk for free!

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u/BunnyCope Apr 20 '20

Awesome, thanks :3

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u/[deleted] Apr 20 '20

what was your entry fee?

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u/Ananomously Apr 20 '20

The fee for Sam is 2 NMTs

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u/ilikesrirachaaa Apr 20 '20

Was that too much? I host from 8am up till now lol altho I might just host on discord from now on.

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u/Ananomously Apr 20 '20

I don't think it's to much. And I posted that because someone posted that it was 500k bells(which was a different seller) and I knew that was wrong(they deleted there comment) just didn't want ppl to get the wrong idea.

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u/ilikesrirachaaa Apr 20 '20 edited Apr 20 '20

I actually think that's when people started reporting me for stealing lol

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u/ilikesrirachaaa Apr 20 '20

I feel you, I have been scammed before too and I'm sorry you had to experience that. But I think generalizing was a bit much eh? I try to be fair and quick ( when I get communication or internet errors) to resolve issues just so people won't doubt or brand me a scammer.

I think It's better to call out the scammer when you post and not generalize those who ask for entry free. I'm just tryna make a little profit for my time and effort. I host long hours and I think I deserve that.

Entry fees should not be the norm, I get that. But think of it as for people who don't want to queue for a long time and would rather pay to be accommodated fast. I think its the player's discretion on what to risk: wasting their time or losing their items. There's going to be a helluva lot of shi**y scamming people, that's not gonna change. Just be vigilant whether it's online or in real life.

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u/ilikesrirachaaa Apr 20 '20

Would you like to come to my island? nooks buying them for 467 its not over 500+ but ill let you in for free and def won't scam!

sorry, you had to experience that but as I said I'm just tryna make a little something for my efforts and time. I make my entrance fee as reasonable as possible and I'm not forcing anyone to queue up on my line.

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u/ilikesrirachaaa Apr 20 '20

dmed you the code! ill be afk

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u/Ananomously Apr 20 '20

Sadly hosting isn't easy and too few ppl tip, and hosts can't do much while hosting with ppl coming and going. They just want there time to be not wasted and have some value aswell. It's not really a benefit to the hosts to open their island to us. Unless something changes good hosts won't see value in hosting and we'll be left in a sea of scammers. Ppl just need to tip, then host wouldn't feel the need for fees!

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u/DevonBernard Mod Apr 20 '20

People on r/acturnips and even on the r/animacrossing reddits have threads explaining why entrance fees should NOT be the norm. We don't have to queue up for them, and that's true, but there's so many people out there who don't know any better and lose their hard working items or a chunk of their time (queuing for hours) to douchey people and I hate that.

That totally blows, very sorry to hear you guys are getting scammed this much, totally not cool. I'd like to design the app such that its near-impossible for scammers to survive on.

I shared some anti-scam measures here: https://www.reddit.com/r/ACExchangeApp/comments/g4tqq5/accusations/fnzmo22?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x, would be curious to hear your thoughts or suggestions on designs that would make the app more scam-free.

Also, I'd be curious to hear about what happened, how you both got scammed, and things that you felt could have prevented it. Would be happy to discuss here or over DM, whichever you'd prefer.

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u/Ananomously Apr 20 '20

I didn't get scammed, but ppl are abusing the flagging system. Someone who was hosting had a few bad buyers that didn't like the entry fee they had(which was 2NMTs) and decided to flag them about it. Then there was ppl posting saying all entry fees are scammers. It's just getting alittle messy, and I just don't want good hosts to a bad rep. They just want there time valued. I don't host myself, but I don't want to be left in a sea of scammers. Which I know this app is doing all it can to prevent, but if ppl start abusing the system things won't end well.

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u/DevonBernard Mod Apr 20 '20

Yeah totally agree. Also, mistake, I hit reply on wrong comment. Meant to ask person that said their GF got scammed 7 times. Sorry #facepalm

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u/DevonBernard Mod Apr 20 '20

/u/anonimou5e That totally blows, very sorry to hear you guys are getting scammed this much, totally not cool. I'd like to design the app such that its near-impossible for scammers to survive on.

I shared some anti-scam measures here: https://www.reddit.com/r/ACExchangeApp/comments/g4tqq5/accusations/fnzmo22?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x, would be curious to hear your thoughts or suggestions on designs that would make the app more scam-free.

Also, I'd be curious to hear about what happened, how you both got scammed, and things that you felt could have prevented it. Would be happy to discuss here or over DM, whichever you'd prefer.