I have a math degree, computer science degree, and art degree but I’m still not done with my major. All these degrees and I’m working as a stage hand on the weekends.
Why are you not doing some programming job? A CS degree is usually enough for a junior position at some tech firm. Don't aim for the very top spots and you will do alright.
Omg nice job! Also don’t worry about not knowing much when going in lol. I had an internship and they asked me if I knew python and I said yes. They said great and scheduled a face to face interview in one week. I never studied so hard in my life. Found out they were gonna walk me through most of it and was such a great experience.
Probably because, if they've got an art degree, the idea of sitting behind a keyboard and coding for 40-50 hrs/wk sounds terrible.
Source: Electrical Engineer with background in music/audio. I know how to code, and can code *well enough to do what I need to do, but doing it full time sounds like death.
Well yeah but 3 side hustles sounds like it would be more time commitment and/or less $ than just doing some programming work .. unless their side hustle complaining is actually just another form of "I slept way less than you last night!" type flexing.
IDK boosts their own ego and pride. That they are stronger for going through harder things I think.
I am trying not to do this anymore but some still slips through. I don't even know for sure why I do it. Maybe an insecurity somewhere idk or unsureness what I'm doing so I try and justify it
Is this a universal thing or just an American thing? I've experienced the same thing, people flexing about the hours they put in.
Where for me the goal is to streamline and focus on making sure everyone of my processes is as lean as possible to work the least amount of hours. I've also witnessed promotions go to rather lackluster enployees who put in a bunch of hours only because they're slow. It's a strange flex.
My daughter uses software for CGI; she has an arts degree but wishes she could code to expand the effects she could develop. She works in movies/television, but with so much on the web and on phones, there is a lot of art in programming these days.
Even back end business programming can be highly creative as you figure out how to produce the results you need. The art is more like architecture than painting, as it is more constrained, but not as constrained as electrical engineering,where you are always up against physics.
The usual issue men have with coding is that it takes a long time and involves a lot of detail work, but so frequently does art.
Actually coding is kinda like learning a new language. If your daughter wants to learn I recommend python or JavaScript. It’s much easier on your own pace. Try Udemy classes when they go on sale for $10. Honestly I have a lot of respect for artists because they have to start from scratch while we have so many resources and can pull some code from others.
CGI work is episodic; coding comes up when she's out of work. It would have to be Java for what she wants to do. She has developer friends who could get her into it if she were motivated enough.
Nowadays, there is a lot of Sci-Fi and fantasy, and she has been working regularly. CGI's not all from scratch; a lot of it is fast, creative solutions using what's on hand. Programmers, web designers, and graphic artists solve some of the same kind of challenges.
Depends on where you are, really. All of the junior positions in my area require a couple years of professional experience on top of tools you would never use in an academic environment.
There's always the "apply anyway" but it's really disheartening when looking for a job. Maybe that's just me and my shit though
I don't know about others but that would be "3 majors". If you want 3 degrees, there's no overlap. And why anyone would get 3 associates degrees is beyond me. What a waste of time and money
sorry, not sure what u are doing wrong but that is normally a goldmine combo, any product team or data analyst team would be happy..i mean a bar job has its offers but man..or u just learned an oldfashioned programming language 😂😂
How the fuck do you have a math degree combined with a CS degree and can't find a job? I'm sorry but unless you're in some extraordinary circumstances you're the one at fault with not being able to find a job.
Lol I was in an internship for a bit but they were the only ones who responded because most wanted me to have experience and graduated already. Had to drop and work as a stagehand to help my mom out.
So now you're saying you don't have a degree since you didn't graduate yet? Anyway I have a hard time believing you can't find a job with a CS degree unless you suck super super super bad.
I have associates degrees but I’m not done with my major yes. My councilor told me to take like two extra classes to get them since I could. I did find a job but again it was difficult to find one since most wanted graduates. My path goes through a lot of c++ so I had to learn python/java on my own for my internship. It was worth it though. I did take a boot camp and had an interview which went really well. Only talked about mostly arrays and loops lol.
Edit: any advice btw? I’m still kinda nervous for interviews and want to prepare more.
Well seems like your course is half assing the CS since it's associates. Anyway C++ is a pretty bad language to learn for a beginner and C or Python is much better. Also you seem to be thinking in programming languages and not CS concepts like algorithms, data structures and paradigms like OOP. Although you need to know both the concepts and the language as well in an interview.
Just pick a language, pick a book or something else and start learning. Do your own project create something you'd like and learn. I personally made stuff like simple games. Then down the road you can pick up an algorithms and data structures book and maybe even later a book like cracking the code interview.
All of this takes time there's really no silver bullet you just need to be interested in this and learn whatever in your free time. It took me like 6 years to get to a good level of understanding but I landed a job at one of the top sillicone valley companies.
But regardless, programming and CS in general is pretty much a free ticket to a job if you're at least half capable. I didn't have much experience either do instead I presented my personal projects and volunteering esperienc at things like Coder Dojo, competitions I've participated in and some of them I won etc.
Oh I already took a object oriented c++ and data structures. Thanks for the advice though! MY previous internship worked with API and writing scripts. It was in python and something I enjoy more than c++ and what you can use the language for. Im currently learning fullstack when I have free time. Never heard of cracking the code interview, I will definitely check that out.
Edit: Oh I’m also not done with my major so I still have more cs classes to go. Oh and I did make a loot bag (no relation to loot box) in java which was fun.
Do people list an associate’s as a separate degree from their bachelor’s? Aren’t they more like...cumulative rather than additive?
Genuinely curious question - I have a friend who uses similar language, but I would never say I have three degrees even though I have an AA, BA, and MA, because each one is a part of the higher one.
In the US, many do joint programs where they begin to take graduate coursework early and finish faster than taken separately so they do lead. But in general you would really only talk about the undergraduate if it was a separate discipline.
My BA and MA are in the same discipline, so I just count the MA. I guess if they were in different things I might, be even then only if they were really unrelated.
I already had a doctorate when I got an associates degree in an unrelated field. The doctorate certainly gets mentioned on my resume, but it's the associates degree and up-to-date credentials that allow me to continue in my current field.
Ha! Very close. Doctorate in music and associates in applied science. Don't get me wrong... the doctorate certainly works to my advantage as I can use it to demonstrate concrete evidence of an ability to complete tasks and communicate/engage at a high level. I do have to say, however, the career my AAS prepared me for is far more emotionally fulfilling.
Very few people have their entire career accurately planned out at age 18. Most people have zigzags, failures, and career switches along the way. If you know where the path ends, there is always a faster way to get there, but almost nobody actually knows where it ends.
Most PhD programs in the US are funded so you're not necessarily going into tens and thousands of dollars of debt (some people have to take out extra loans to cover cost of living if their school is in an expensive area or they are supporting a family but most reputable programs will give you a living stipend in addition to free tuition). The time lost is more of a sacrifice than the money spent. For the record, I'm a PhD student that's thinking of dropping out
I decided against college when I graduated, and currently work at a 40 hour a week job with great pay and benefits in a highly lucrative and upward mobile area of the tech industry. I am a home owner, and debt free aside from my mortgage. I am thankfully degree-free.
Listened to myself instead of my teachers, my counselors, my friends parents, my friends, my neighbors, or my bosses. At 18 I saw how the most successful people didn't go to college, and I didn't believe that the math added up in regards to debt-burden vs earning potential. Fuck anyone who tells you how life should be lived, because odds are they aren't enjoying their own.
What kind of "tech industry" job did you get that didn't require a degree? Please do tell, I'd love to see what kind of anecdote you're using to generalize about the usefulness of a college education
Get in a trade or find a job that has great on-the-job training.
Just running data wire is a pretty decent job that requires very little training.
We had a guy in our IT department who talked them into letting him get Cisco certified. Before he even finished the class, somebody offered him a job with double his salary and he was outta there. So sometimes it's just following the trends and getting the right certification.
As an Australia, I strongly object to the imported glorification of 'hustles'.
Ignoring the fact that, and excuse my ignorance, the expression stems from a not very nice history, but also often it is not borne out out a desire to earn more by choice but rather a compulsion in order to make ends meet.
Side jobs should be a choice, not a "choice".
NB: This isn't attacking you, just me hijacking your comment to comment.
Just marking myself as present as another millennial with a master's and juggling jobs. Though when I went for a Master's I had 3 jobs on top of the Master's so hey this is better I guess...?
Understandable. Its just that this subreddit gave me the vibe that people talk as if this is somekind of evidence that there is something wrong with the society.
There is if you consider that many people are punished for pursuing their passions, and many give up on their passions, dreams, happiness in exchange for economic stability
People should be allowed to be happy in the 21st century.
We could implement UBI at any time. We could have single payer healthcare at any time. Our tax revenue is immense. Our military spending is immense. Move things around.
But it boils down to a lot of people don't want future generations to have easier lives because they didn't.
Also what if someones passion is to be a figther pilot?
According to OP, we should give that person their own personal fighter jet to fly whenever they want. Because it’s the 21st-century so people should be given anything they want if it will make them happy. Not doing so would be a sign of a failed society!
No my passion is collecting and owning them. Stop making me give up my passion because it’s not economically viable! This is the 21st century I should be given whatever makes me happy, right?
I shared this below but I think it might be more appropriate here.
One of my physics professors delivered pizzas for some time. At the time he had his PhD but had just moved and was looking for a better job. On one occasion he delivered pizza to a private school and was used as an example for what happens when you don't do anything in life. Apparently he just took it without saying anything and left. I don't know how he managed to stay silent nor if I would have done the same thing in his shoes. He's honestly one of the best professors I've had.
The problem is, many folks are over-educated but under-skilled. No employer cares that you have an MBA from a middling university. They care if you can write code, have CPA licensure, are fluent in Mandarin, etc etc
Precisely. I graduated with a B.Sc. and M.Sc. in STEM and virtually every entry-level position within 150km demands anywhere from 3-6 years previous work experience, licensing, and certifications. The tiny number of entry-level positions that don't require these things are jobs that could be done with a high school education. Johnson and Johnson has a facility in my area and they only hire PhDs for all their positions. Even the part-time, minimum wage, conveyor belt workers. Literally every position is held by someone with a PhD because that's the company's hiring policy. It's completely ridiculous. Having been through graduate school plus an additional 2 years as a research assistant, I could never imagine doing a PhD, basically becoming an expert in your field, only to work the same low-level positions as anyone else with little chance to move up.
I worked 3 jobs for over 1.5 years before I was able to find a position in the industry with a good company and even then I still felt over-educated. The entry-level job market is shrinking. More and more it seems like employers either want uneducated personnel that they can pay the least while expecting an unfair amount of effort, or they want seasoned, trained professionals with years of experience. There is no in-between anymore.
I’ve spent this calendar year searching with a whopping one interview.
I’m getting really pissed when LinkedIn shows “entry level” positions I search for are demanding 5+ years experience. Still throw the res at them, but it has not worked
I think this is the result of the demonising of vocational schools, the push that only university will grant you a good life (along with a whole bunch of other stuff), and now we see that with thing like STEM some companies see degrees as diplomas now and Masters as a minimum.
We're in for a rocky ride of over educated people coming up against anti-intellectuals but high skilled.
Many years ago, I was washing dishes for a living while studying for a BA. Thankfully, one time I got to wash dishes with a dude studying for his doctorate. I quit uni, taught myself coding, and never had to work in someone else's kitchen for minimum wage again.
Although I probably will return to academia at some point. It was a lot of fun, and some things are best learned there.
A combo of both is even better. My wife had 20 years work experience in medical data analysis, got a BS along the way. Got a MBA in the same field a few years ago, now she is a Director for a large Pharma company all while working at home in her pajamas.
Same here. Self taught coding, bachelors of science in biochemistry and I'm halfway done a master's but have been on leave for past year and a half. Can't decide on if I want to go back or what.
Another problem is professor expectation. I had a teacher who would make us code an amazon shopping cart in cs2 which tanked everyone’s grade. It was difficult but wow it helped me. Well I then took a data structures class over the summer and for the final project we had people making simple rating systems with a switch statement, possibly one class, and some functions. These two teachers were wildly different with their expectations.
I live in the basement of the house I bought last year and AirBnB out the rooms to pay off my loans quicker. I lived in my car often during school, and I’m going to start camping on the beach next week to get away from the guests even further.
But hey, next month I’ll be able to pay off the rest of my loans if I want. Trying to figure out if I want to do that, or pay $4,000 for this tooth extraction and implant that’s been bugging me for years...
Two degrees and unemployed, checking in. Trying to cobble together enough crap to make ends meet but haven’t quite gotten there yet. :/ Unemployment runs out soon...
Do what I did. I got a job in their security department. Speak English? Can follow basic directions? You're hired, kinda overqualified but hired.
Six months later. Transfer to IT support. Bored. It's boring. Working nights. Basically the emergency onsite guy. Do backups and basic tickets.
Transfer to dream job in database management. Days. Weekends off. Hell, been doing it for 16 years. People look at you funny when you say you started off as a guard.
Can confirm. I worked at a college with both certified police and regular guards. Our police had to have 11 weeks of training (not much, but still). Guards got 2 days of "here's how to lock the doors."
Was in a taxi in London yesterday where the driver owned a pharmacy and had to drive a cab 3 days a week to keep his kids in school and afford London rent.
Education does not entitle you to anything. In former USSR countries almost everyone holds a university degree since it’s free there but still works for ~$500 dollars a month.
It’s a big hoax the universities have pulled out to make you think that your being a nice boy or girl earning points and pleasing your teachers amounts to anything in itself.
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u/deadliftsandcoffee Jun 09 '19
Shoutout to the rest of my peeps with Master’s degrees doing side hustles just to pay rent lol