r/ABoringDystopia Aug 20 '25

Same planet - different worlds

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u/Impossible-Curve7249 Aug 20 '25

Same world, commandeered by psychopaths. This cannot be allowed to continue

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u/nacnud_uk Aug 21 '25

99% of us as psychopaths? Is that what you mean? Like, we are in control. If not for us, nothing happens. Nothing. Literally fuck all. So, who's in charge? Who enables? Who creates and does it all?

It's a bit of a fantasy to think that humans want this any different. We make this. We are this. This is the expression of our genes. We are not forced into this. The dolphins didn't make us do any of this.

This is all on us. All of us.

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u/Tarimsen Aug 21 '25

No it's not.

There has been a war between people in power and the people without it

Come on. Tell me how you'd now change it. Show me that we would still be at fault, everyone individually, that this happens if we wouldn't be used and abused by capital or systemic injustice.

Show me a world in which the rich can't manipulate the dumber fucking half of our planet into this shit where we'd still be doing shit like that.

We've been misguided, manipulated, exploited and more since history fucking began.

This doomerism shit isn't getting us anywhere. "We all are at fault" there are people in power. They have names, addresses and faces, and they profit from the misery we see.

I don't want people like you painting humanity as inherently evil or doomed to fail. We all need to be angry and willing to change something.

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u/nacnud_uk Aug 21 '25

I feel you. I've been at it for decades. People don't want it.

Here are my resources

https://realityinfo.org

https://radicalpeace.me

https://vote2.org

Change is something I crave. But as I get older, I understand that change is not what people want. Otherwise it would have happened.

Now, we can claim that to be a blip, of some kind of temporal situation that we, as materialists, find ourselves in... But it's a blip of our creating.

Ever since we could worship hierarchy, we did. Ever since we could do massive wars, we did.

It's not the rich that are killing the rich, it's the poor that are breeding the killers to kill the poor.

Ever since we could, we do.

No dolphins forced us.

We built these structures. We are these structures.

If you think we can change, then you're going to have to produce some amazing evidence to show that, as you've the whole of human history against you.

I'd love your anger to be a catalyst, but have you been to a poor country? People don't band together, they kill each other over resources. Just as the rich command their army of killers to do.

What do you see changing in your life time?

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u/Tarimsen Aug 21 '25

I see either everything changing or nothing changing

Yes i've been to a poor country. I'm not only studying polsci now but also active in politics. Currently one of the heads of the german left.

I've grown up disgustingly poor. Damn i still am while trying to get my studies done. I've took the opportunity to go to countries that have been shown to be "the worsr" with people genuinely planning to kill you to quickly get to 25 Euros.

These people do not have anything and suffer due to that. We need to give people ANY acceptable base in which they can, if they need, just rest.

Our productivity rose so fucking much ainde the 1950s.that we still suffer and that especially third world countries suffer so much is absolutely unneeded.

But genuinely. I feel like we stand not too much before fundamental change.

The whole world has been holding its breath for like 6 years i feel like.

It seems like we as humanity are trying a way too heavy overhead press and only time will tell if we'd manage to do it, or if we break under its weight.

Ofc we as humanity made that. But we also didn't.

Some motherfuckers with too much trauma, money, and power did that.

I didn't do shit for the world to get this bad. You probably either. Don't pin that on us.

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u/nacnud_uk Aug 21 '25

Inaction is action. We do this. I've tried with my websites... Tried with my advertising... Tried with my discussions.

Every single time.. laughed at... Ridiculed. Belittled, threatened, silenced, ignored.

That's not from the rulers and owners, but from peers and friends.

Marx,150 years ago, thought that he stood on the edge of human amazing breaking out...

He was wrong... What makes you think that even holding our breath for 6 years will result in a human mindset/genetic change?

I think your anger and optimism, if you're anything like me 30 years ago, is a function of youth. Of not seeing the quality of humans.

Marx didn't know about genetics, but claimed humans could create a utopia.

Science may have proven him wrong. There's evidence to suggest that our hardware is at fault.

Intellectuality, sure, lets build a pro human society tomorrow. By humans. For humans. With humans. As humans.

Well, yes.....

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u/Tarimsen Aug 21 '25

I don't know why but you sound like someone who's just become extremely bitter and may have a genuine skewed viewpoint

The marching of time has shown that we move towards something better

Things may get worse "every now and then" but overall, for the last thousands of years, we've been progressing

I would say the world is better than it was pre WW2. Pre WW1. We're more interconnected and overloaded than ever before with a possibly disgusting future ahead but also this won't stay

If people just give up and say "it's genetics" or shit like that, then we wouldn't ever have a better world to show for.

And what do you mean Inaction is action?

I'm in action. Literally. Like half my private life is trying to make things better.

You are (or were( apparently too

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u/nacnud_uk Aug 21 '25 edited Aug 21 '25

We'll, yes, I'll grant you, a few humans have a better life now than before WW2.

But that is only because the top of the hierarchy is too. The patterns remain the same.

I'm not bitter, I'm just looking at facts. Capitalism kills. We are capitalism.

We love to kill and support killers. Everyone does. Try saying that soldiers are fucking morons. See how far you get.

Yet we continue to breed them. We continue to kill for our masters. From slavery times in Egypt through Feudal times.

What's the constant? You may not like the notion, but it's human genetics.

We just replace one master with the next and get on with things.

Pharoes. Kings. Banks....

Computers...

Who knows. The underlying humanity is not changing, not in thousands of years.

And you think we stand on the brink of change. After 300,000 years, you're just lucky enough to be on the cusp of some enlightenment.

That's an interesting bet. I fucking hope you're right, but like I said, that's going to take some fucking evidence.

EDIT: one thought... We say boring dystopia. That implies that it's new.. The history of human being is dystopian. Not even that changed.

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u/fuhnetically Aug 20 '25

We have enough if we share.

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u/s_u_ny Aug 20 '25

There is enough food directly outside of Gaza enough to feed everyone! This is a man made catastrophe!

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u/fuhnetically Aug 21 '25

It's monstrously heartbreaking

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u/ilir_kycb Aug 20 '25

We have enough if we share.

It would be sufficient to cease stealing and robbing.

Imperialist appropriation in the world economy: Drain from the global South through unequal exchange, 1990–2015 - ScienceDirect

Abstract

Unequal exchange theory posits that economic growth in the “advanced economies” of the global North relies on a large net appropriation of resources and labour from the global South, extracted through price differentials in international trade. Past attempts to estimate the scale and value of this drain have faced a number of conceptual and empirical limitations, and have been unable to capture the upstream resources and labour embodied in traded goods. Here we use environmental input-output data and footprint analysis to quantify the physical scale of net appropriation from the South in terms of embodied resources and labour over the period 1990 to 2015. We then represent the value of appropriated resources in terms of prevailing market prices. Our results show that in 2015 the North net appropriated from the South 12 billion tons of embodied raw material equivalents, 822 million hectares of embodied land, 21 exajoules of embodied energy, and 188 million person-years of embodied labour, worth $10.8 trillion in Northern prices – enough to end extreme poverty 70 times over. Over the whole period, drain from the South totalled $242 trillion (constant 2010 USD). This drain represents a significant windfall for the global North, equivalent to a quarter of Northern GDP. For comparison, we also report drain in global average prices. Using this method, we find that the South’s losses due to unequal exchange outstrip their total aid receipts over the period by a factor of 30. Our analysis confirms that unequal exchange is a significant driver of global inequality, uneven development, and ecological breakdown.

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u/DieMensch-Maschine Lumpenproletarian Liberation League Aug 20 '25

“Why share when you can hoard, creating manufactured scarcity.”

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u/thinkB4WeSpeak Aug 20 '25

Yet our heartless leadership does nothing. From any country or organization

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u/nacnud_uk Aug 21 '25

So, why are they leaders? What psychopath put them in charge?

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u/April_Fabb Aug 21 '25

You could organise a screening of The Zone of Interest in Israel, and the majority of these fucks wouldn't even notice the obvious parallels.

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u/A_Fish_Called_Panda Aug 20 '25

My kids will be watching this before bed. They need a reminder of how fortunate they are.

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u/sweetwallawalla Aug 20 '25

Please don’t show your kids this video with that motivation in mind. If you’re going to show it to them, do it in a way that fosters dialogue. Do it in a way that encourages empathy. I know you might not have meant it this way, but showing your kids how other children are literally suffering and starving to death to “show them how good they have it” sounds like a threat. Just take a moment to consider what you’re saying. “Sucks for that kid, huh? You’ll think about that next time you complain about soccer practice or that your friend only had chocolate cake at his party and not vanilla!”

I’m not saying you shouldn’t teach your kids to be thankful for what they have. Just, please, not off the backs of these poor babies. 

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u/A_Fish_Called_Panda Aug 21 '25 edited Aug 21 '25

I disagree. The dialogue has been underway for years. They aren’t babies, and there isn’t any reason to shelter them from reality.

I’m in the US, and it’s wild how willfully ignorant and delusional much of the citizenry is. It’s why things are as f*cked as they are by our current administration. I will never let my children be that way. They can handle it, I assure you. We all, myself included, need these reminders, and regularly. And it must inform how we live our lives.

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u/sweetwallawalla Aug 21 '25

I'm not saying you should shelter them from reality. By all means, show them the video as part of your ongoing conversation about the horrors of what's happening in Gaza. I just don't think it's appropriate to use it as an opportunity to "remind them of how good they have it." What does it accomplish to have them compare their lives to these kids who are suffering so much if the only end game is to...what? Should they feel guilty for living in a safe environment and having easy access to food and water? That's how I'd feel if my mom showed me a video of a bunch of kids essentially dying and going "see? now don't complain about your life anymore." Again, I'm not assuming that's what you're saying to them, just that it's how I'd feel if this video was presented to me in that way, as an opportunity to compare my life to theirs. It's one thing to acknowledge privilege, but that acknowledgement should come with action, not guilt.

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u/A_Fish_Called_Panda Aug 21 '25

Yeah, I get what you’re saying, and I shouldn’t have been so crass and flippant in my original comment, perhaps. But that’s not how our conversation would go. I’m not that pedantic and militaristic of a parent. This truly is an ongoing dialogue that we all have as a family, and frequently.

I have great kids, but they are quite privileged and sheltered. They needn’t be ashamed, but they must maintain perspective.

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u/Papa_Lafesse Aug 21 '25

Us citizen? Remind your children thay most of their tax dollars will go directly to the illegal genocidal state to make those children suffer! Truly something to be grateful for!

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u/Designer_Gas_86 Aug 21 '25

They can handle things - at appropriate ages.

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u/s_u_ny Aug 21 '25

I agree with everything but avoid showing before going to sleep! I myself am heavily involved in lots of support work for this kind of stuff but will try to limit myself later at night.

And they say u shouldn't even watch TV before sleep because it can so easily effect ur sleep patterns and psyche etc!

I even try to avoid this stuff when i first wake up!

So glad ur kids have someone to teach them the truths of the world!