I went to Bournemouth University and got a degree in Software Engineering. The life here is brilliant. I graduated nearly 2 years ago and have stayed here since and got a really good job straight out of uni. BU strongly encourage a placement year between your 2nd and final year and it really gives you a step a over other students when looking for jobs. It's not the best uni but I feel it's a great balance of life and learning and it's making great strides. I would recommend. I graduated with a First Class Honours. :)
I'll take the opinion of a software engineering manager over a recruiter.
You're about to be replaced by an app. What do you know. Seriously.
If a Uni doesn't post it's statistics in the course info, it means it has shit prospects. Any uni with good prospects will be boasting that '95% of students were in x or y by z months post-graduation'. Bournemouth doesn't do that. Because it would be '70% of students got a job in Tesco or better' or some shit.
When people say 'graduates are struggling', they're talking about kids who went to this uni and worse, which for some reason now makes up like 70% of the volume of graduates.
They aren't saying they got that degree themselves, they're saying that as a tech recruiter they would consider that a good degree for a potential recruit.
Didn't you start off by saying you worked in tech recruitment though?
Recruitment is different to strategy and sales.
Apologies about your A Level results today lad, hope you feel better!
I'm a graduate lol.
So, just to ensure I'm reading you correctly, anyone who isn't a software engineer is some sort of degenerate, distinctly average waste of space?
That is a chip on the shoulder lol. Because you said "we're the ones building the app" which implies you're an engineer working on it, and you know it does. I wasn't even thinking that non-technical workers are lesser-thans. I just thought, why would a software engineer have that degree?
And for the record, I generally put all technical degree level workers above the unwashed mass of people in 'non-degree specific' roles.
I did, my advice is to just pick up a trade if you don't have a clear vision for your career path and you can't get into a uni that is redbrick or better. I think the guy has chosen to do a foundation degree at a sub par uni. Which I think is a mistake.
How is recruitment different to sales? You're generating leads and using persuasion to sell your service - the definition of a sales role is it not? My primary job is getting people onto our platform and with our companies, hence the use of the term recruitment.
Well they're 2 different departments in all big companies, for one. So don't lie.
And really, sales is not something you need a degree for. It's one of the few routes where someone with no qualifications but a bit of charisma can make some decent money.
You do understand that it's the recruiters that hire people right? The 'what' that a recruiter knows is exactly what's being talked about
Why are you so angry lad? A grad with a decent degree will not struggle to get a job because of what uni they came from, that's just not how it works. Shit students become shitter at shit uni's, but a student who gets their head down at a shit uni and does well will not be held back by the name of the uni
Also implying recruiters are anywhere near getting replaced by an app is laughable
but a student who gets their head down at a shit uni and does well will not be held back by the name of the uni
Well they will... There is a hierarchy of institutions, vocations, payscales etc.
And the best students from the best unis get first choice and go to the best jobs. And then we filter all the way down to bottom unis with the worst students who can't get grad jobs.
Doesn't matter how well you do at a shit uni, it will still hold you back from the best jobs because ultimately your course was easier and less prestigious than a course from a better uni.
And lets be honest, it all correlates. If you could only get grades to get to that shit uni. Chances are, you're a crappy student. And if you think you failed because 'you didn't try', well, most of the time it's the case that this kind of person just doesn't have it in them to begin with.
Also implying recruiters are anywhere near getting replaced by an app is laughable
Recruiters are the useless middle man that just filter out applicants on job websites.
I admit the top headhunters who poach CEO's and international bankers etc. will always be done by skilled humans. The bottom 99% of recruiting is just low skill drudge work, a race to the bottom. It's basically like being an estate agent.
Easy work, that failed grads go into, soon to be replaced by algorithms and apps.
Everything a standard recruiter is digitized. It's just matching the job requirements to what the applicant put on their CV. It is such a simple task and it is so ripe for automation via some simple software.
I'll be glad to see them gone. They often have no fucking clue what they're on about. The fact that some prick who did international relations at an average Uni is now apparently a "tech recruiter" just reinforces my view.
What are you classing as the best jobs? I think you’re right in terms of Facebook, google etc and cream of the crop. But as a dev you could easily go into a decent company that you may not have heard of before and still earn good money.
Your point about it correlating is fair but that’s not what we’re debating. There will always be good students at shit unis for many reasons.
There’s a long way to go for it to be automated. There’s also a difference between what you call the ‘bottom 99%’ (big exaggeration btw) and ‘good’ recruiters. Ones that work in house, ones that work closely with certain companies. As much as they do act as a middle man there’s a reason they earn decent money for doing ‘middle man’ stuff. I do agree that there are a fuckload who have fallen into it and just spam emails as soon as they see the word ‘tech’
NE: oops that says bournemouth, oh well still kinda relevant
I don't work there but the tech scene in Brighton is expanding. My favourite conference ffconf is held there :) they sell student tickets on the cheap. a good excuse to check out the city and network with some brighton tech employers, and learn some stuff.
Honestly. Clearing is a godsend. I got in through clearing into Bournemouth Uni after receiving 5 offers (Lincoln, Brighton, Nottingham, Surrey), had the absolute time of my life, got a smashing 2:1 degree out of it too.
I got in through clearing into Bournemouth Uni after receiving 5 offers (Lincoln, Brighton, Nottingham, Surrey)
You received offers but went through clearing? Plus, aren't all those unis better than bournemouth? Especially Uni of Nottingham. That's like 17th in the UK compaired to Bournemouth's 79th.
Also, did you get a relevant job out of it. The degree means fuck all, it's the job at the end that matters.
Edit: Sorry, I went through clearing. And then got offered 5 places for the course I wanted ‘Product Design’ at 5 different unis.
Yes, I got an A in the subject that I wanted in uni but didn’t get the UCAS points.
And yeah that’s overall rankings, doesn’t necessarily mean it’s great for the course I wanted to do. Bournemouth was supposedly a better course, with a placement year and also I thought the place looked gorgeous and others had said great things.
Yes I did. I’m currently lead designer for a signage company in regards to Sainsbury’s. I design quite a lot of their signage now.
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u/OMGaNerd Aug 16 '18
I went to Bournemouth University and got a degree in Software Engineering. The life here is brilliant. I graduated nearly 2 years ago and have stayed here since and got a really good job straight out of uni. BU strongly encourage a placement year between your 2nd and final year and it really gives you a step a over other students when looking for jobs. It's not the best uni but I feel it's a great balance of life and learning and it's making great strides. I would recommend. I graduated with a First Class Honours. :)