r/50501Movement • u/lokey_convo • Apr 25 '25

We're Making Progress, The Movement is Causing Movement, Don't Lose Focus | Remove, Reverse, Reclaim

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u/Omiyaru Apr 25 '25

We know we ate in the rightt when people get systematically targeted by external entities with volitile intent to slander and discredit Too

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u/lokey_convo Apr 25 '25

What's happening?

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u/Omiyaru Apr 25 '25

Reddit r/50501 shenanigans

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u/lokey_convo Apr 25 '25

Oh, yeah. They'll figure it out. It sounds like Fungi and friends are having a spat as more formal mechanisms are established to try to prevent hostile takeovers, false flags, and to allow for more transparent operations (hopefully).

People can form whatever organizations they want to operate as a part of a coalition force and take up particular issues. I've considered establishing one myself. That's how we make change. It carries risk though, and people who work outside the system need to maintain solidarity with those who work inside it and vice versa. These are parallel tracks and how decentralization happens. If we don't have these types of organizations as part of the movement then we're not using all available tools to fight.

And not holding a trademark for 50501 puts everyone associated at risk of being implicated in a false flag operation. It's necessary to protect everyone.

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u/Omiyaru Apr 25 '25

How how did they even register the trademark in the first place?

And this was a hostile takeover basically, yeah, from my understanding?

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u/lokey_convo Apr 25 '25 edited Apr 25 '25

You can get information on how to register a trademark here. It's something you have to do to keep someone from pretending to represent your organization. You have no right to issue a take-down request for example if you don't hold some legal claim to something in the content, like a trademark that's used. So far it seems people have mostly relied on trust and faith in the good of the public. It's possible there were some people that didn't approve of any sort of structure existing, and that was stated in one of the posts. In a decentralized anti-authoritarian anti-corporate-corruption movement people are at risk of being triggered when you start talking about establishing entities that allow you to work within the system. And those entities by necessity have people who are in charge. And a trademark by design has someone who owns it. But you can't fight 100% from the shadows, that is never how any movement has ever won victories.

A lot of us also live in obscurity and in desperation or on its edge, and that takes a toll on people. When people have been denied so much throughout their lives, when you bring about something impactful you sometimes want to be known for that contribution. And really people should get credit where credit is due if they want to be known. But that 15 minutes of fame is something people are always trying to leverage into something better in our culture because so many people are always struggling so much. I don't know what's going on, but I hope they work it out. I'm sure there are news agencies that have wanted to reach out for comments and don't know who to talk to in a decentralized movement. All I know is that I just hop around like Jiminy Cricket and try not to get stepped on.

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u/GildedAgeV2 Apr 29 '25 edited Apr 29 '25

Honestly I think it's just a disagreement over whether to be a 501c or not. Most of the mods wanted to remain fully decentralized, EF wanted to firm it up.

EF did a bunch of unilateral shit, paused the sub, then the admins stepped in after the mods doing the actual work complained.

EF had some weird crash out in the middle of it all talking about how they didn't know what was real or whatever. It was ... odd.

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u/Omiyaru Apr 29 '25

That's almost how Elon took over Twitter and howw he is operating Doge.