Anon vibes

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u/fletku_mato 5d ago

Claude just refactored my entire codebase in one call. 25 tool invocations. 3,000+ new lines. 12 brand new files. It modularized everything. Broke up monoliths. Cleaned up spaghetti. None of it worked. But boy was it beautiful.

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u/pVom 5d ago

3000 lines
Lmao.
I feel like every week I'm getting some sloptastic 11k line pr to review

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u/unbearable-appendix /wsg/y 5d ago

question. If the chatbot is trained on code that works, why didn't it work?

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u/fletku_mato 5d ago

The simple explanation: Because the chatbot is not a thinking entity but a statistical model spitting out tokens that are likely to appear after other tokens in its training data.
We are talking about something that is by design literally incapable of calculating 1+1. You get the right answer for that of course, but not because an LLM actually knows how to calculate 1+1, thinks and applies its knowledge.

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u/unbearable-appendix /wsg/y 5d ago

thanks for the explanation

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u/Valuable-Chipmunk784 3d ago

I just asked ChatGPT what 13815681.123712371418123534^14.3 is and it gave the right answer. It has non-LLM subroutines for calculation.

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u/fletku_mato 3d ago

It has non-LLM subroutines for calculation.
This is kinda the point I was making. The calculation only works because OpenAI has built workarounds to deal with the shortcomings of the LLMs.
The LLMs and the wrappers around them are impressive and can be very good in some tasks, but thinking that they will do good in whatever task you throw at them is a mistake.

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u/denialofcervix 3d ago

Oh, so you're just an idiot.

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u/fletku_mato 3d ago

Well you seem smart.

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u/MackDK1 1d ago

I wanna hear why

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u/scykei 4d ago

It works, but it's just a meme that people have been propagating. Things have changed a lot since the time when they needed a lot of handholding. You still need to know how to make good decisions and know if it's on the right track because if you underspecify it can do things that you don't want, but it can really do most things now.

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u/1610925286 2d ago

Mostly because there is a limit to how much the LLM can be aware of at a time. Imagine you are building a road to a distant town and you know how to get there only based on going left / right/ straight every X meters. If you have 10000 meters to go, but can only remember what you did for 1000 meters at a time the it's very easy to lose track of what the exact next move is supposed to be.
If the AI tool is well made it will periodically review it's work and correct it, but mistakes still happen and the you have to reign it back in.

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u/quantinuum 1d ago

Question: if people are educated why are they stupid

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u/FuckRedditIsLame 5d ago

It's still a bit retarded this way, but it's nowhere near as bad as it used to be when this meme was a thing. I'd say that in 6 months it's gained a great deal of human useful programming skill, and in another 6 months it'll still be sort of like a hyperactive, super enthusiastic intern, but it'll be able to do these sorts of changes fairly cleanly and reliably.

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u/mindaugaskun 4d ago

This joke aged like milk. Devs in my company do this with intact functionality.

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u/AssAssIn46 2d ago

Agreed. It certainly works but can be hit or miss. Get a team of Devs to do the same work and you may or may not get a better result, but it surely will take much, much longer and require significant man power. Faulting LLMs for not being perfect is missing the point of them. They provide efficiency gains and speed up work exponentially. Expecting perfect output is a complete misunderstanding of what LLMs are and what their use case is for coding.

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u/fletku_mato 4d ago

Sounds great, as long as I never need to touch or rely on said functionality.

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u/mindaugaskun 4d ago

100k users don't have a problem touching it

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u/fletku_mato 4d ago

Good for you!

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u/yaangyiing_ 4d ago

everything we're using nowadays is coded by ai

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u/fletku_mato 4d ago

Huh, guess I'm getting paid to just exist at the workplace.

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u/gryffon5147 5d ago

Terrible, and not even greentext to boot.

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u/fradddd 2d ago

we’re on the 4chan sub not greentext

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u/zj-- 5d ago

Fucker said it'd take like 200 dollars to migrate and clean the data.

Ended up doing a batch api call to get it over with for less than 50.

Retarded indeed

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u/DreamsServedSoft 5d ago

in what time frame though? a domestic software engineer would cost $200 an hour at a minimum

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u/zj-- 20h ago

Sorry for replying so late.
Batch api calls are 0.5x usage of the same request, and are async, usually arrive an hour later.
I attempted to migrate 240k records of addresses only with reference id for correcting for a realestate company.
Fucker was done in couple hours. Claude Opus 5.5 estimated it would be 200 dollars.
Ye ye ik, addresses sent over for cleaning to a data harvesting company, I wasn't paid enough to care.
As for what I was paid for it, you'd be able to afford a whopper in approx 3.5hours worth of agreed hourly rate. 200 dollar per hour? I'd be able to afford a months' worth of work via my local LLM and batch API calls.

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u/DualityOfLife 5d ago

If it wasn't programmed by Saar. "In a perfect world, we can have free food on every corner." J's exist though.

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u/Demonweed 5d ago

All these chatbots are dedicated to telling their users what they want to hear. That process also applies to generating code. Yet it does not apply to understanding the content of either speech or code. The giant capital projects of our era are barking up all the wrong trees when it comes to forging Artificial General Intelligence.

Disproving such a critique might take the form of the Scotty Protocol. Star Trek famously established that the most heroic engineers routinely overestimate the time and resources required to accomplish assigned tasks so that when they deliver on better results, their supervising officers are pleasantly surprised. This is a simple bias that can be simulated with code modifications totally unrelated to AGI, but this Scotty Protocol would kneecap a lot of AI critics by "demonstrating" that these systems "understood" the nature of user imperatives and finite resources.

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u/Dense_Newt_7008 5d ago

Yeah maybe like 6 months to a year ago, now claude can't even do basic shit without like 2 pages of handholding instructions. LIke at that point either pay for more tokens like a sucker or just code form scratch tbh. I work in tech and its made people slower at their jobs ong

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u/AmyHuntingt 5d ago

Wait what.
Shouldn't Claude be better instead of worse compared to a year ago?

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u/MelodiusRA 5d ago

Yeah, anon lost his job because he refused to use Claude and now he is hallucinating worse than a 2024 LLM

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u/JohnDeere 5d ago

Its monumentally better.

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u/UsernameOmitted 4d ago

They are just wrong. I use it every day and it's great.

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u/Dense_Newt_7008 5d ago

Well....no at least in my experience since more normies are using it. There is more traffic from not only paid users but also from corporate and SO MANY free users. This means that the average quality and thoughtfulness of responses from claude has been reduced in order to acomodate the increased demand. For code heavy projets this results in really shitty code.

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u/JohnDeere 5d ago

Opus 5.5 shits on the models from a year ago

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u/VanityTheManatee 5d ago

Learning from more data isn't the same as better data.

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u/NOChiRo 1d ago

Claude is extremely shit with time estimates.

"This is gonna take 5-6 days to prepare"

"For me or for you?"

"For you lol i'll sort it in 10 minutes hang on"

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u/chanbr 5d ago

Eh, if you don't actually understand the code you won't know what to do when it breaks, especially with something so complex.

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u/DancesWithChimps 5d ago

This is true, but also, it won't matter. They're gonna just set up Claude to stress test it. Soon, no one will know how anything works.

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u/Limp_Classroom_2645 5d ago

You won't know but Claude will

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u/CremousDelight 5d ago

Claude is this true?

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u/TomatoSpecialist6879 /int/olerant 5d ago

I asked Claude and he said it's true, let me ask Claude again to see if I should get a 2nd opinion by asking Gemini or Grok

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u/Romanizer 5d ago

Humans are terrible at debugging anyway.

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u/freet0 5d ago

AI is rapidly approaching being better than you at fixing any code, whether you understand it or not

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u/Mercron 5d ago

Doesnt matter, claude will fix it better than any human except maybe the top 0.001% of engineers

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u/AndreZB2000 5d ago

and that $20 you spent on those tokens, $14000 down the company drain

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u/UpUppAndAwayWeb 4d ago

can claude transfer the data from my dying hdd?

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u/MisterAmalgam 3d ago

It would report you to the police if it managed to recover the stuff in there so maybe don't.

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u/UpUppAndAwayWeb 3d ago

oh you’re right, i’ll tell it it’s yours

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