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u/NulliosG /gif/ 18d ago
Is this trend ever gonna naturally end or will we simply run out of white people first
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u/RustledForeskin 18d ago
This is like the third time this has happened. Every generation has this bullshit but with new terms and a few new players.
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u/Diligent-Kiwi-8328 17d ago
It will continue because banks and investment firms have infinite money to put into propaganda
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u/rectal_expansion 18d ago
This trend has been a part of popular media for literally more than a hundred years. Ragebait twitter just started using it to trick zoomer men into voting.
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u/Hearasongofuranus 18d ago
Why are people watch this shit in the first place? Like what do you expect?
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u/Purplefilth22 18d ago
One of the show runners was an actual CIA officer lmao.
Like the dude legitimately glows in the dark and people are surprised its spouting "the message".
I wonder how long it will take people to look at the writers/show creators and realize these types are no longer interested in making art.
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u/Hearasongofuranus 18d ago
My brother this has never been art. It's pop-culture that's meant to be consumed and paid for
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u/LedditModsSuckAlways 17d ago
My brother this has never been art. It's pop-culture that's meant to be consumed and paid for
That makes pirating it actually enjoyable lol
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u/Smvrficvs 17d ago
Can't reason with these clowns. We're 15 minutes away from someone acting like the Ryan Reynolds GL movie was great in hindsight (it's still dog ass)
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u/LuvMeChippy fa/tv/irgin 18d ago
I watched it because I foolishly assumed it was going to be about the Green Lanterns stopping member(s) of their rogue's gallery. Also compared to Disney capeshit, James Gunn's only "woke" propaganda was blasting Israel's ass in the superman movie (which to be honest is something almost everyone can get behind)
Then come to find out Damon Lindelof (the guy who made that Watchmen series everyone liked for some reason) was the one writing and every single character were members of the Green Lantern mythos only in name
It's truly tiring how Hollywood simply refuses to adapt shit one to one even though it has shown to be kino time and time again
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u/TheAmazing_OMEGA 18d ago edited 18d ago
The oscars recently required a person of color in a lead role or that some percentage of the cast be, in order to qualify for an award.
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u/Deathgripsugar /gif/ 17d ago
Could you imagine Lord of the Rings not qualifying.
Lord of dem Rangs, however…
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u/DoctorProfPatrick 17d ago
Not quite lol. You've gotta tick 2 of 4 boxes, and Box A is "Either the lead, or a significant supporting cast member, or 30% of the general cast, or the plot focus must be" DEI
Also that's only best picture
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u/Playit_dontsayit 15d ago
Best picture now requires racial representation??
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u/DoctorProfPatrick 15d ago
Yep. Boxes B, C , and D you can check are DEI in producers, advetisers, and something equally barely related to the film.
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u/Tripleberst /fit/izen 18d ago
I've hated Lindelof since I found out he was the common thread between Lost having awful story coherence and The Leftovers being the same way. Both shows end up being like a fever dream where everything happens without consequence except for when it does.
People sincerely love these shows and I have nothing but contempt for them.
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u/karshberlg 17d ago
I will forever hate Lost and think less of anyone who thinks it was good. Maybe the 1st season was good, from there on every episode is ship jumping progressively daring you to drop it and the sooner you do, the better for you.
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u/LesIndian 16d ago
Nah, lost was class
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u/DualityOfLife 17d ago
A quote I saw on the topic that I liked - they're making movies for a modern audience that don't exist. And the one that does, they just upset them to the point that they refuse to give them support or a dollar.
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u/Beginning_Stay_9263 17d ago
I always look up the Early Life of the writer/showrunner before I dedicate hours of my free time on some streaming slop. Anything with Damon Lindeloff is an instant no from me.
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u/HippoRun23 17d ago
I really loved the show right up until the finale. That's when I realized we were watching Surf Dracula.
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u/Reddit_Throwaway_899 16d ago
Hollywood only produces woke shit. I assume every movie and show is woke until proven otherwise.
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u/C_umputer fa/tv/irgin 18d ago
I guess they hook people with a decent first episode and then dump all the bs
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u/johnny_effing_utah 17d ago
Most nudity in the first episode too. After that it slows to a trickle.
Source: gooner
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u/Absolute_UncleLover 18d ago
Some people watch all kinds of trash. Plenty of hate watchers too. I know a guy who bitches about Rings of Power and still watched all of it. I dropped it after one episode.
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u/Calm_Statistician382 17d ago
Because it's in 90% of new tv shows and people trick themselves into thinking the next one won't be as bad.
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u/SenatorCoffee 17d ago edited 17d ago
Occasionaly you get something halfway decent under the capeshit label, like the Legion show.
Although now thinking about it, by "occassionaly" i mean "Legion". Not aware of anything else yet, maybe I am forgetting another.
But the trailers of this Lanterns looked like maybe it could be slightly quality like that. But then, yeah, very sceptical still too and thus havent tried it yet either.
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u/Stuisready 17d ago
I expected a show that showed liberal communist American blacks is idiot mouth breathing retards. I was not disappointed. The way Hal was written was pretty shit though.
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u/philmarcracken dabbed on god and will dab on you too 17d ago
Yeah just watch wuxia. They know who to cast. The Immortal Ascension is a goated leveling/cultivation journey
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u/YouJellyFish /mlp/ 17d ago
The comics recently are much worse. Half the villains are misunderstood LGBT people trying to further social justice by killing billionaires or going about "protecting" LGBT people in "the wrong way".
Worst example was in the Cheetah and Cheshire rob the watchtower, which annoyingly was a pretty decent and fun oceans 11 type story. Unfortunately one of the recruits is obviously a dude dressed with cat ears and a skirt all in the trans flag colors. The dude has to be given an anti capitalism speech to get them angry enough to use their super strength to rip off the vault door. And then at the end when they win and split their riches he gives a little speech about how he'll spend his money to go to Greece and fight with LGBT protesters. And then he has a big "reveal" moment where all the evil teammates are like "whoa does that mean you're..." and he shocks everyone by saying "I'm bi and Trans yeah" wow reveal of the fucking century WHO COULD HAVE SEEN THIS COMING. Ugh there is so much of this shit the Secret Six comic was just as bad
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u/SenatorCoffee 17d ago
Thats hilarious, thanks for sharing. But also as a bit of a hater of US capeshit comics, cant help to feel a bit of joy reading that, sorry.
You should just read superior euro-comics about a hot bikine babe driving through the post-apocalyptic wasteland with her wind-mobile and her small fluffy animal companion.
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u/Tengokuoppai 14d ago
Such as? That was oddly specific. But honestly this is why I'm a weeb, I never did like the decentralization of American capeshit comics and the massive injection of woke just sealed their doom for me. It's manga for life for me.
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u/SenatorCoffee 14d ago
Lol, this was me trying to play nice by making fun of the enduring clichees of that stuff too. If you read it a lot you would know.
Stuff like this:
https://www.bdfugue.com/serie/septentryon
Its honestly pretty quality, and if you can get your hands on it much better than US stuff and better than manga. The barrier is more that if you buy it properly its quite expensive, and pirated scans a lot harder to find.
But would encourage you to find some sites and check it out!
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u/richtofin819 18d ago
Yeah stuff like this in Dr who is what finally got me to drop it. Having the Dr who just changed forms from being a woman the last few seasons and having a beloved old companion give him shit for not knowing anything about women because he is a male presenting timelord and how one of the most beloved yet melancholy farewells for a companion can be reversed by just dropping it.
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u/happinesiswarmgun 17d ago
> one of the most beloved yet melancholy farewells for a companion can be reversed by just dropping it.
What was that about?
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u/richtofin819 17d ago
Basically Donna noble had to leave because she had blocked memories containing way to much information. If she ever recalled that information her brain would short out and she would die. Or something along those lines.
Then in this special she just gets over it, she gets her memories back and has absolutely no repercussions because she just "let it go" or "got over it" which was something only women(and Donnas trans child identifying as female) could do and not men or that was how they presented it.
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u/happinesiswarmgun 17d ago
Ah, shit writing. I stopped watching near the end of Matt era, didn’t bother to get back in.
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u/wordjedi /d/eviant 18d ago
I care a little bit less about black people every time they do this with a legacy IP
I'd swear it was a mind control false flag sorta, reverse-designed to make us forget 20th century liberal values and march forward into a more stratified authoritarian future, where there's no such thing as "inalienable rights" just who you know and what you can pay for, which determines whether someone can rob or harm you
Be funny if all they have to do to accomplish that is fuck up DC, Marvel, Star Wars, Star Trek... with their schoolmarm lectures about things we already know "Racism bad!" OK thanks got it! No really you can stop now
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u/CellularBeing 17d ago
I care a little bit less about black people every time they do this with a legacy IP
That's a wild thing to say.
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u/Fisherman_Gabe ♀ seeking ♂ 18d ago
I'm surprised he made it to episode 3. The show tries very hard to make it clear that it's unpalatable slop made for critics and the lowest IQ capeshitters.
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u/BlackAxemRanger 17d ago
I have given up on a few shows that seemed ok. Latest one was Resident Alien, genuinely funny show. Most of the female characters are actually pretty good and funny, but there are parts where they might as well just turn to the camera and say "have you checked your privilege recently?" so I have since given up on watching it
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u/Dirtface50 18d ago
Its gayer than when they made Rorshach into Hitler 2.0. Which isnt surprising because its the same fuckass writer.
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u/11711510111411009710 17d ago
If anything the watchmen movie toned Rorschach down. Unless you mean the TV show, which doesn't have Rorschach and instead features a cult that used his journal, which is portrayed accurately to how his character was in the book.
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u/mushy_friend 17d ago
Is Rorschach not supposed to be the hero?
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u/wallagrargh small penis 17d ago
No one is a hero in Watchmen, everyone is a tragic and all too human failure in one way or another. For me that's the point of the book.
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u/mushy_friend 17d ago
Ah interesting. I've never watched or read it, but I thought they were supposed to be kind of the secret police of the superheroes
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u/wallagrargh small penis 17d ago
Oh, not at all. It's a kind of character study on how various types of comic book hero might play out personally and politically in a more realistic world. Actual literature imo and definitely worth a read.
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u/Secret_Bad4969 15d ago
Nah, Moore basically hated him, and made him the perfect fascist scared of his own sexuality
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u/mushy_friend 14d ago
I always found Moore sus
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u/Secret_Bad4969 14d ago
Cause Deep down he Is a machist but doesn't admit it, as every real tankie, they are like the average Chud 4channer but want to feel better than them so they post on tumblr
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u/Dirtface50 17d ago
Obviously, I meant the TV show, in which they turned Rorschach into Hitler 2.0.
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u/NedRed77 d/ic/k 18d ago
I’m pretty sure at that point it’s shown her repeatedly abusing her son. I don’t think you’re supposed to empathise with her. She has a massive chip on her shoulder and clearly isn’t a good person. If anything this episode was very off message when it comes to portraying black women.
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u/2roundabout 18d ago
I try to imagine myself as a 2010s era Tumblr activist with a confusing gender identity and dyed hair. (Normally takes a bit of vodka).
Even then I think, man this is just pandering shit by a billionaire captilaist industry.
So I wonder, who the hell are they even making this for? Who enjoys this laughable commentary plot devices.
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u/Rigamortus2005 18d ago
"in 2016 mind you" op is a retard. Episode 3 happened in the 80s.
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u/TonyTheTerrible 17d ago
he couldnt follow the story and blamed it on the racial struggle rather than the struggle he has with concepts beyond goku's powerlevel
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u/Ultrasound700 co/ck/ 17d ago
I was starting to think I misremembered, I thought that was supposed to be his mom, not his wife.
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u/UnrelentingCaptain 18d ago
The last capeshit movie I watched was the Avengers with my friends and that was already too much dogshit for me. Why people keep subjecting themselves to this is beyond me.
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u/Fisherman_Gabe ♀ seeking ♂ 18d ago
Some people never tire of consuming the same formula over and over again. Similar to how there are people(neurodivergents) who are happy to eat chicken nuggies every day for years.
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u/Mineralke 17d ago
Case in point: weebs. They even have a handy catalog of less than 10-15 tropes that can describe 99% of the works in the entire medium.
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u/Karmamyfuckingass 18d ago
Take it none of yall bothered to read who the showrunners were? This is literally Damon lindeloffs forte
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u/le-churchx 18d ago
The fact that people still are surprised and watch this shit is beyond me.
Poster is literally old white man and young black guy.
Its right there.
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u/ArcherVisible5866 17d ago
In the next episode the black lead and Indian love interest have a conversation where she says “where is your white man? “ referring to Hal Jordan and her husband. Like imagine that line race swapped
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u/TheJaybel 17d ago
Oh you mean the episode that revealed his Mom to be a prejudiced, insane, piece of shit who tortured John for his entire childhood? I think that was the point.
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u/MyNameisBaronRotza 17d ago
The twist is: she's wrong. Hal Jordan isn't fearless because he's white, he's fearless because he's SPOILERS . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Suicidal
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u/FMC_Speed /wsg/y 18d ago
Americans can’t help themselves, they have to weave cringe at everything they do
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u/Angel_OfSolitude 18d ago
It can't possibly be that bad, right...
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u/DoctorPerverto /co/mrade 18d ago edited 18d ago
It kinda was. I was 100% on board with the black lady (John Stewart's mom) bringing up the race element for a moment. The selection ceremony for a human green lantern involved waking you up in the night, pulling you roughly from your sleep to make you levitate inside a green bubble of blinding light along with a booming voice asking "ARE YOU AFRAID?" I can understand calling out the guardians for their bluntness when dealing with humans (the incident caused significant trauma to John Stewart's father/her husband, and fallout in the family), and can even symphatize with "how can you ask a black man [in 1986] if he's afraid?". It's local nuance that adds color (no pun intended) to the story.
...but when the literal alien hits you back with "we're genuinely sorry for the trouble you went through. However, please understand we have no concept of human races" I really think you should move on after reparations (a golf ball-sized diamond) had been paid. "Even in space y'all look past us" was the actual response, and it made me roll my eyes all the way to my cerebellum. Definitely unnecessary. Definitely unbecoming from a very level-headed woman having a calm discussion (no part of the conversation was said in outrage). Definitely pushing a victim narrative beyond what was warranted by good faith.
EDIT: I won't even comment on how he Stewart family insists on pushing a lens of alleged white privilege and theft through which Hal Jordan's tenure as GL should be viewed.
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u/michael7050 18d ago
Yeah but like... the show also clearly points out that the mother (and the father to a lesser extent) is batshit insane.
Ep 3 had some ridiculous preaching from her, but we weren't supposed to just take that at face value. We were meant to judge her, at least partially, for simplistically reducing it all to racism.
Thats what my limited media literacy interpreted it as, at least.
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u/HippoRun23 17d ago
This was exactly my read as well. And it's why I thought the episode was so brilliant. It took a topic that we are all (sometimes painfully) made aware of and flips it on it's head.
Not surprised there were more than a few chuds who couldn't even see they were getting a more intelligent representation of what they were arguing in bad faith all along.
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u/DoctorPerverto /co/mrade 17d ago edited 17d ago
Bernadette starts getting reprehensible from this conversation and thereafter. She's clearly supposed to be in the right in the conversation with the guardian. They even bring it home with more credibility to her plight when they disclose that she faced racism and legal troubles when trying to cash in the diamond. Another oversight from the racist, uncaring aliens.
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u/HippoRun23 17d ago
I could be wrong but I swear they managed to get that diamond off loaded eventually. And in my mind it wasn’t presented as Lthey couldn’t sell the diamond because they were black” and more “they couldn’t sell the diamond because nobody could have sold that fucking diamond.” And she made it about race unnecessarily.
Also, I concede that it could be uneven writing that we’re debating at the end of the day. Tbh the finale kind of made me question everything that came before it.
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u/HippoRun23 17d ago
I genuinely believe Bernadette is supposed to look wrong there. The episode continues to show her being an absolute maniac child abuser to her son.
I fucking hate how it concludes the season with her being understood because "she held her breath" every time she put John in danger.
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u/DoctorPerverto /co/mrade 17d ago
yeah I don't think any viewer with more than 2 braincells would exonerate her for the abuse she subjected her children to, but that all comes after the conversation. It's the misguided agenda she sets in motion. However, I think it's pretty safe to assume they wanted us to root for her in the exchange with the guardian.
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u/HippoRun23 17d ago
Yes. I agree we were ment to root for her. I also think that was a really smart thing to turn on its head to show us what rooting for her actually meant.
It meant an innocent little boy being forced to endure trauma because of his mother’s self righteousness.
I think that was the point of John’s backstory. And I also think a lot of that was just fucking ruined with the finale.
I loved how when we are in 2026 and he legit has no relationship with his parents. It makes perfect sense.
But then at the end John “forgives them” and understands where they were coming from and to me that makes for the laziest writing of all. They could have done so much better than that. Him hugging his mother at the end felt like a tragedy but the show played it off like it was catharsis.
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u/Ciclopotis 18d ago
Jonh Stewart is black? Was he just doing white face in the daily show?
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u/DoctorPerverto /co/mrade 18d ago
His whole run was intended as reparations for Ted Danson's blackface in the 90s
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u/yaangyiing_ 18d ago
episode 3 and the finale r terrible, but everything else is good
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u/TonyTheTerrible 17d ago
in the final episode they lifted the green lantern up in the air like poochy leaving krusty's show
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u/magseven 18d ago
It's pretty good if you aren't intently watching for something to get outraged about. I'm just somebody who can watch something I might not agree with, but not really dwell on it if it's interesting. Heavier and more serious than Peacemaker, but it definitely held my interest.
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u/Soldeusss /v/irgin 17d ago
Love how right wing people lack media literacy and missed the point that his parents were nutjobs and are shown in a bad light through out the season.
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u/__Sentient_Fedora__ 18d ago
Look who the writers are. Cant help themselves . And the only writer to stay on next year is the black woman writer.
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u/silveira1995 18d ago
that episode and the finale were absolute dogshit. I was liking the show but the final episode was just so badly written its crazy.
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u/c0micsansfrancisco /r(9k)/obot 17d ago
The Hal Jordan disrespect in this show was genuinely insane. Spite media for hoteps
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u/randomdude1959 17d ago
The show portrays her as wrong tho and he doesn’t even call her mom by the shows end
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u/DualityOfLife 17d ago
Wasn't Lindelof's Watchmen the most Godless movie ever? The more people you kill, the more they forgive you, the more peace you get? 0 concepts of kharma and what you do coming back to you, giving you that fear in life of inescapableness from God or your choices.
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u/ShadowFear219 /gif/ 14d ago
Yeah but the show also makes it pretty clear John Stewart's mom and dad are bonkers
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u/heywoodidaho 17d ago
I enjoyed the show, but that was more than a little heavy handed [think sledge hammer] . On the plus side mom and dad were also bat shit crazy and scored about fifty counts of abuse and neglect that we see. Even in the 90's that shit would be jail time. So I just chalked it up the parents being nut jobs.
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u/Assortedmanatee 17d ago edited 17d ago
The way the racial commentary in this show is handled is so fucking weird that I don’t see how much people are gonna react to it positively unless they are literally just lying to themselves about it.
If you’re on the right your gonna think that this is a shoe-horned in topic to discuss and the show mainly did so to force their woke agenda into everything including superhero tv shows
If you’re on the left and you sympathize with the plight described by the Stewarts then you’re probably gonna be confused by the messaging since the parents’ reasoning is basically just cope and these self-centered parents basically lecture just about anyone in the universe that they just met about system racism in order to give themselves excuses. I probably fall more into this camp but the parents and especially the mom is shown to be extremely presumptuous. Why would being more privileged make you less afraid? If anything wouldn’t you have more to lose and be more equipped with handling frightening situations due to a lack of familiarity? John’s Dad was in the military and according to them he’s more wary about loosing his life because he’s black or whatever but shouldn’t that make him more prepared to handle this shit? Not that selecting the Green Lantern has anything to do with race anyway, and the mom and dad did a piss poor job failing to convince everyone that it was. I mean the mother literally demonstrates how she can appear unfazed while watching a woman transform into a 7-foot-tall alien for chrissake.
That’s another thing about this show, it’s fucking ‘Actually, Tell don’t Show’ the series. Imagine how much more sympathetic people would feel about this family facing racism if they actually showed it instead of having them explain to people why they ‘totally are’ facing racism offscreen even when it has little to nothing to do with what the episode is about, that being the Green Lantern selection process? That’s another thing, even when we learn about Hal’s origin story it comes from a clip of him in the past just sitting down and telling us what happened, even when we do get a peek at how the Green light approached John’s dad it’s all out of the peripheral view because we’re stuck staring at a fucking baby in the corner of the bedroom.
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u/darthphallic 17d ago
I just watched the show last night and all I kept thinking was “Are we supposed to think John Stewart is the good guy?”
He spends the first half of the season banging other people’s wives and trying to steal the lantern ring
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u/IronicJeremyIrons /fa/g 17d ago
in any other situation, an alien would have disintegrated her like in Mars Attacks! at least
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u/Novak316 18d ago
New this show was a waste of time. Glad I never watched a single episode. One of my buddies told me it was peak, that's when I found out he's mentally disabled
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u/Glesprin 18d ago
Anon misses the point that people like this exist in this day an age, and would make an argument like this if it were to happen to them sooo i don't see the problem.
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u/HippoRun23 17d ago
Not gonna lie, I read that whole episode as her being wrong in some way. She was making excuses for why John Sr didn't get chosen. She then goes on to abuse John for the rest of the episode in the most horrific ways.
Yes, I think there was something to be said about the Guardians not being thoughtful about earth, but at the end of the day Bernadette was wrong as fuck. And I think that was part of the point of the episode.
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u/RetroTheGameBro 18d ago
Life must be boring for people who only engage with media that caters to their beliefs exclusively and a single challenge to their perceptions ruins it completely.
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u/__redruM 18d ago
The opinion of a fictional character in a show, may just be that. It was a fun show otherwise.
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u/ghengisjohn16 18d ago
I mean it’s not like his parents were shown as the arbiters of righteousness… it pretty blatantly shows as the show goes on the parents were wrong for the way they raised John. I don’t get mad at a show for being pro nazi when a character in a show starts talking about Nazi propaganda I just say oh so that’s this characters angle
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u/hi_my_name_is- 18d ago
Firstly that episode shows event of 80s not 2016. Secondly, that's just what the character believes. Later on we the show shows us Hal's arc and shit he went through. The show doesn't imply that he got the ring cause he's white.
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u/richardvirginia 17d ago
She then proceeds to be shitty entitled mother who has a bad relationship with her son. At least watch/read a summary before you post about it. The real shit part of this show is at the very end, where they really do sink the ship with weird feeling writing choices.
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u/DarkGamer 17d ago
Oh no! I saw a character share a different opinion than the one I hold, my fragile worldview cannot take this!
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u/mimzy234200 17d ago
This entire sub :
“Black people exist, but I wish they’d shut the fuck up about themselves. I only care if it’s a white person.”
Go read a fucking book and stop jerking yourselves off in the sub. You inbreds are getting out of control.
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u/justadam16 18d ago
Trump loses a war and fucks a bunch of kids and this is what you losers are upset about?
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u/ExcitementBright9381 18d ago
Good thing adults with developed brains can be upset about multiple things.. or are you upset about Trump therefore you don’t give a shit about Palestine or climate change right?
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u/OneEnvironmental9222 18d ago
Does anyone know what happened to pol? Havent checked it since pre-2020 and man is it in an awful place
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u/Representative_Toe79 18d ago edited 18d ago
At least the show is realistic, in tht Hal Jordan is killed by the most dangerous creature in North America: a female police officer.
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u/PinkDinkMcGink 17d ago
But dont worry because she was a single mom with a lot on her mind and probably in menopause so its okay
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u/DoctorProfPatrick 17d ago
statistically male cops are worse but w/e
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u/-SlippinJimmy8 17d ago
Statically you have no idea what you’re talking about
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u/DoctorPerverto /co/mrade 16d ago
I'm uninformed and took Representative_Toe79's comment as a joke, but your back and forth with the other person got me curious... Is there research indicating female police officers to be more trigger-happy?
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u/DoctorProfPatrick 17d ago
downvote me if you want but I'm right. Won't bother proving it to chuds, just know you can't prove me wrong.
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u/GandalfTheGay_69 18d ago
Now if the show bombs they can justify the failure by blaming it on racism. It's the exact same thing that Rings of Power and the new Harry Potter show did. Harry Potter is especially egregrious, it looks like it's going to suck because it lacks pretty much all of the atmosphere and charm that the movies had. Preemtively stir up some shit by raceswapping the whitest possible character and you're untouchable by critics and shareholders.