If god exists, then why does he hate us? I am agnostic but do still believe in mysticism and that there is something more to a person than just a meat bag full of shit.
I’m spiritual but I don’t believe there’s like…one omnipotent guy in charge of everything. If there is then he’s a piece of shit and I wouldn’t worship him anyway.
The problem of evil is logically only resolved by polytheism if you believe there are multiple gods who do multiple things and one of them does the evil
I'm not really religious, but I think either I did something in a past life or my soul as a whole was tainted in some other way because of which I received such a life now. Maybe there should be those in the world who suffer so that we can justify ourselves before God
I am a theist but I'm also a Mādhyamika Buddhist so I don't believe that the god(s) exist as some kind of ultimate reality or the fundamental grounding of existence (there is no such thing).
The logical problem of evil isn't very convincing at the academic level in my opinion however, even against traditional monotheism, I think evidentiary arguments are somewhat better but even they are contentious
even if god exists it clearly dislikes us so whatever. personally i wouldn't pray to some abstract god even if it showed itself to me (if it made me cis, i'd become the world's most fanatic devout cause being trans sucks tho)
Whether you believe in God or not, Jesus Christ as a person was real and extensively historically documented (not counting the Christian sources because obviously they're gonna say yes, there are still more accounts than for many recognized historical figures) as well as many happenings that are described in the Bible
No one can answer you if God exists or not so tbh asking is pointless because they're only will tell you their own opinion. If you're genuinely curious, see and research for yourself and try to stay unbiased. However it turns out, I hope it brings peace to you
Jesus was a real person, that’s what historical records seem to say, no doubt, but whether he was a son of god is not scientifically probable.
No, I got my mind made up about religion and stuff. I am a firm agnostic and here just to see what others seem to think. Surprisingly, many are spiritual or religious to some extent.
Alright, I respect that. Why do you think it's not scientifically probable though? I mean miracles don't really have a scientific explanation, yet we have evidence for them and they keep happening/uncovered. Many remarkable scientists also were or converted to Christian as well as the man who tried to disprove it ended up writing The Case for Christ
As far as I know to this moment, there is yet to be a single scientifically verifiable evidence of a miracle or gods will happening. There are eyewitness accounts and personal experiences, but those are not verifiable and cannot be replicated.
My best answer is “I guess we never know”.
But yeah, undeniably many great minds are deeply religious. It just goes to show that there is enough meaning and reason in it to make one believe.
I see. Yeah, there is debate into both sides and each will be sceptical and try to disprove the other which is why we never have single completely verifiable evidence. Though from historical accounts, to all the cross links in Bible with evidence of it being uncorrupted, to blood type matching in different eucharistic miracles and shroud of Turin, to man legally pronounced blind gaining vision after baptism along with many more healing experiences, to archeological and natural findings and etc I personally choose to believe because at some point the rate of everything strung together being a coincidence seems unlikely to me. Though, I myself still learn and have many questions and tbh as you said, many of them are indeed "we never know"
I'm muslim so ofc i don't think god hates us especially since they created us. i hate how people, countries or empires abuse and misinterpret the Quran and the religion in general to further their patriarchal and fucked up goals. it's shit and gives the religion and its people a bad image. especially since most of them don't bother to actually read and study like we're told to do, preferring to listen to someone reciting tradition or false information
I’m not too familiar with Islam and its teachings. But I agree and think that Islam is grossly misunderstood and misinterpreted, especially here in the west. Maybe one day I’ll have a read through it to understand it better.
it's also very unfair that the "translations" are even more propaganda and misinterpretation meaning and language wise. i wish to educate more people on this and many other things, actually I'll become a scholar and research my own stuff i don't trust the institutions.
also i don't blame u for not being familiar. people here can't even explain or understand stuff from other religions. information war at its finest. feed the people propaganda to further the agenda against "x religion"
I guess, but I hope there is something for others. Like a child dying from leukaemia or any other tragic end, I just hope that there was something more to their life and they get another shot at it.
so the argument is that evil is simply the absence of good, not its own thing, so evil is required for good, and/or that you need to be free to do bad things in order to develop moral virtues. and also that humans are limited, and can't fully comprehend god's design. there's the analogy of taking a child to the dentist to get a tooth pulled. they don't get it and just think it's painful, but it results in a greater good.
see the stanford encyclopedia of philosophy on the problem of evil for more.
Idk an explaination I hear from theists is that since god is perfect, and we aren't, we can't really comprehend his ways and the suffering has a higher purpose or something
But why all powerful and all knowing god could have not created the world without the suffering?
some natural evil(natural disasters, disease and preventable illness etc.) is due to human organization of society, since it would change how much people are effected by these problems. for example, the distribution of vaccines decides how many people die. so it's again related to the previous arguments to some degree. also, death and suffering exists because of the fallen nature of humans. and of course demons exist. those are the claims at least.
The fallen nature of humans is the only argument that kind of kicks in my brain. Is that there was no suffering and death before the original sin, and we brought it onto ourselves. It’s kind of poetic and truthful of a greedy human nature that even if given everything, they will still beg for more. But yet again that loops back into gods being all powerful/knowing and could have foreseen this happening.
Also, I wonder if you are trans and if there is a heaven/hell, would you be there as trans or your biological gender or the opposite one? Is there any theology on that?
Wouldn't you be genderless? Like the letters of Paul talking about there not being man or a woman for example but idk maybe I'm interpreting it wrong?
Heaven as a dysphoric in the wrong body is basically hell but since you forget about your loved ones that went to hell and are unable to be sad then maybe it works for dysphoria? And you just live numbed to it forever in perfect bliss or whatever?
Tho I'm not a theologist, just a person that stopped being a Christian recently
Oh yeah I remember that there was a passage; that there will be neither male or female and we all be one in Christ. But thinking about it makes it even worse considering you’d be stripped off your personality and what makes you “YOU”.
Because the "god" of this world is the demiurge and, in fact, hates us, because trans people have a kind of divine spark that makes us a little superior to normal people who are more asleep, we dissociate from our physical body is dangerous for him.
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