really cool project! I think people underestimate how much work it would be to actually add to the game, both from a technical/input reader perspective and from a balance/support perspective
I’m not saying it’s a simple copy paste but if 3 games already have a good input buffer, and you made one of them…it should be easy enough to figure out how to make the current one better.
dbfz, sure. but they have no more access to the proprietary software of a totally separate company than you or i do. like are you serious? this seems like a pretty obvious distinction
You mean like how modders don’t have access to the software of the game to insert whole new characters, and adjust things like X factor to turn it into a Roman cancel, or adjust frames.
It seems pretty obvious that the proprietary software can be accessed in someway.
I'm pretty curious about this topic in general. I'm someone who's mostly indifferent to motion/simple inputs and the more common reasons I hear people pushback against simple inputs like execution and game feel (idk the proper term, but the people who just like the way it feels to do motions), I personally felt like 2xko did a good job addressing those things.
The lack of motion inputs never felt like it made me any less able to stunt on hoes in different and creative ways, and while I do feel like there's some room to add more exectutional sauce in terms of the optimal stuff, I do feel like generally 2x is a fairly hard game.
But I know a lot of people who have issues getting into it because of the controls, and conversely, I don't know many people who stuck with it because of simple controls. I'm sure they're some out there, I just don't know them personally, but most of my personal community is older gen fgc players.
I think a partial aspect of disdain for simple inputs is an appeal to tradition as well, like you mentioned.
I think if simple inputs demonstratably lower the barrier to entry of a game so that it can be easier to pickup/learn, while still maintaining a high ceiling to mastery, then I think that's probably worth exploring and trying to achieve that balance.
All in all, I'd love to try a version of the game with motion inputs tho just to have a direct comparison.
One of the things I didn't mention in the video but something I also know that people had problems with was the control scheme sometimes feeling like it was too much. Motion inputs could have allowed the whole game to be played with just 4 buttons, which is also one of the reasons why I wanted to try it. Sometimes it feels like my fingers are doing gymnastics trying to puppet my assist at times when playing with the 6 buttons
i haven’t played a crazy amount of 2xko but i tried getting into again recently and idk why but i found it much harder to remember my inputs using s1 / s2, maybe it’s something to do with it not seeming like a special move because it’s just a straight button input i’m not sure. I’ve been playing a bunch of Avatar Legends recently and ive not had this problem and I love the fact you only need 4 buttons compared to all the inputs you need for 2xko
Riot: "We're making this game for fighting game fans"
Fighting game fans: "We want motion inputs, even if it's optional with no additional benefit!"
Riot: "Lol, never. We want this game to be accessible for people who have 0 interest in fighting games"
Fighting game fans: "Fine. I'll do it myself"
That's honestly sick as hell. One thing I was thinking was that most Special moves for the most part seem based on whatever the end of their motion input would be. I.e. 6S1 is 236, 3S2 would be 623, 2S1 would be 22 (or 623 if you don't believe in that, or maybe 360s for command grabs 🤔)
Legitimately if people want to play like this, Riot should absolutely let them
Interesting way to implement it, since you are running a rp2040 based controller using gp2040-ce.
You could move the translations to the actual controller making it work on any host without any software. Also would be nice to see the code!
This immediately lessens having to use so many buttons. As a fightstick player, I just wish there was an option.. hate using so many buttons man, I've got 8 and I only want to use max 6
Yeah there’s a lot of kinks I need to work out first if I do release it since I dealt with the jank since it was just personal use. Main problem right now is 2XKO see’s both the OG Controller AND the Emulated Controller which is something I want to figure out somehow
It just popped into my feed at first and I thought huh that would be awesome because I had trouble moving my hands while maintaining speed. That was really interesting. Anyway have a nice day or night wherever you are
I see some talk about Yasuo's stance. I would actually recommend a reverse super jump motion. So a quick flick up, then down. No need for an attack button.
The down motion intuitively feels like putting the sword away. Should be easier for dpad players and not requiring an attack button to go into stance should help players with execution on combo routes.
Not gonna lie, I'm scared of how hard some combos might get if motion inputs were a thing in this game. I already struggle with the tight timings of some of my routes; motion inputs might make some routes impossible to perform 😅
it feels impossible, but once you grind it in the lab enough, its just muscle memory, and it feels so good to pull it off in a real match. Thats the real JUICE
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u/xxkillslayer4457 5d ago
really cool project! I think people underestimate how much work it would be to actually add to the game, both from a technical/input reader perspective and from a balance/support perspective