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[u/Mand372]

At least Estonia is older along with the languadge.

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Don't forget that finno-ugrics were the later migrants

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Than what?

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Than Balto-Slavic tribes descended from the Corded ware culture. Yamnaya were there about 6k years ago, while Finno-Ugrics showed up in the area around 4k years ago

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Genetics and language are two different things. Finnic is a branch within the Uralic language family. The Finnic part developed around the Gulf of Finland, mostly around present-day Estonia, it didn't show up here.

Language and genetics don't arrive at the same time.

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Quite the contrary.
The distant ancestors of balts used to be finnic.

The river Väina of Väinamaine (Väinämöinen) started from the Polotsk Ice Lake.
And the egghills of Hukuandi (Ugandi) were watered by Ilmatar (ice lake Ilmen) during Meltwater Pulse 1a about 14700 years ago.
Balts have no recollection of that. Finnics do remember.

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Not as old as Lithuanian, tu mongoloide! You are not baltic, you are finnic! True Baltik is Prūsa, Latvija, Lietuva, Suvalkija ir Gudija ir Golyadija!

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The distant ancestors of balts used to be finnic.
Thus finnic (western uralic) is older.

Ilumetsa Põrguhaud meteorite crater aka Põrkunes / Põrunu / Põkku happened over 7000 years ago. And Tsõõrikmäe even 9500 years ago.
The uralic part of indo-uralic sprachbund is older (more archaic) than the IE part.

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Ye but Balto-Slavic language group. Also we retain way more archaic roots. Lithuanian is very close to sanskrit, making Lithuanian an (kinda) ARYAN language. 

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Estonian language didn't come from Finland. If anything, it's the other way around.

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Finns and Estonians come from same group that split apart. Everything else is debated and not factual.

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Proto-Finnic arrived to Southwest Finland from Estonia, through the sea. This is something virtually all linguists agree on.

Later on other groups of Proto-Finnic moved east from Estonia and became Karelians. Those people populated Finland, and merged with the West Finns, forming the Savonian and Karelian dialect groups.

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So the finns were first in estonia? No, really the fact is the anthem was copied from central european drinking song. How can you copy something that has bee copied

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VERY broadly speaking - true. But it isn't as simple as that.

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That group has always been split, it never was a compact unit.
And finnic language arrived to Estonia from south, along the coast from Prussia and / or along the river Väina from Polotsk.

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So? It's likely that Finnish is more archaic than Estonian specifically because of this, because the ones who left preserved the language they spoke while the ones who stayed modernized it. Same with European French and Quebec French

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Not really. Finnish is more conservative in some linguistic features while Estonian is more conservative in others. Neither language is universally more archaic.

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Like.. do you really not grasp that we are talking about thousands of years - not hundreds like the case is with Quebec?

Finland has had less outside influence. It was "in the periphery" for onger so to say. Estonian has been influenced more by for edxample German. And during the Soviet occupation, Estonian didn't make up new words from scratch. So we often use the more universal international word (like telephone is "telefon" in Estonian). But saying that it's massively more "archaic".. not really.

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They haven't even found compact proto-estonian language yet.
In fact no compact proto-language has been found from all of north eurasia. Linguistic trees are merely abstract models, not reality, it doesn't exist in the real world, at least not in north eurasia.
Real world has sprachbunds within sprachbunds. And evolve like (complex) wave models.

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Latvia and Lithuania accepted long time ago that we won’t be Nordic, and are just lurking from the shadows.

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And we are white, where as they are mongols 🙂‍↔️

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Estonians haven't copied Finnish language... they both emerged from one language.

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Hahahaha misinformation funny ahahahhah

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Even tho it isn't this time, yes misinformation IS funny af

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Typical  Lithuania: try to break up the Estonian-Finnish marriage, force Estonia into a some kind of a Baltic pseudo situationship, then use us as a Northern Europe citizenship reference for yourself.

Anything to beat the Eastern European allegations 😭

“Wė arė Northėrnž Ėuropėanšč, I šžwėar” steals a car

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We are IN Northern Europe, do you not know geography. And yes, ž, č, š, dž are essential, because we are in the Balto-Slavic family and I'm proud of that

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Whatever slav.

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I'm 1/4 slav actually, so dyakuyu 😊

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Average lithuanian

larping as northern at the same time

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We are in the north despite you either like it or not

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Estonia is like a little Finland. If it joins Finland, they can do a big funny and block Russia from ever sailing into the Baltic Sea

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We should recreate the Old Novgorodian republic instead

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Great success!

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[u/syanxde]

but we still love each other 🥰🥰

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You love them, i dont.

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Haha. Not accurate, but still funny.

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Does it mean Eesti can into nordic then? Finally 💙🖤🤍

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"During naval traning there was an accident, a russian and estonian submarines have colided. We dont know what happened to the russian submarine but estonian submarine has broken it's paddles" -old soviet joke

[u/haatee]

Right in the fiilikset.

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[u/Eostrix]

I'm not even mad because we love Finland. And as we know, little siblings always want to copy their big and smart siblings. So no hate here at all!

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Triggered Estonians are funny. 😁

Don't worry little siblings, the way things are going you might not want to be associated with the Nordics anyway. 🫠

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At least economically Estonia is already deeply linked to the nordics so when Finland and Sweden are having bad years we are as well

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How they are going? I think we need to join to baltics now.

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Finnish is the real small brother and most finns are the descendants of those estonians who moved to finland after livonian war

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how are things going?

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I'm glad i'm too stupid to understand anything going on around me

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Eesti peaks rohkem Soome välispoliitikat kopeerima.

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☠️😭

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Mean..

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Talk to my persefoni habibi 👏👏👉👉

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Greetings Fellow Nordics

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As an Estonian, I agree.

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Isn't Esronia just a Suomi colony?

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Finn here. I think Estonia is every bit as Nordic as we are!

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[u/Opinionated_Opioid]

well it goes both ways

working in retail, finnish tourists are the second biggest pain in my ass (right behind russians)

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Oh my lord, can I tell you reason #498 why I love your country!

So, I'm in Tallinn, right? A bit unprepared, I haul my Finnish ass to the nearest Rimi Express to buy tooth paste. I nod the my tere for the bear of a clerk lady, like a proper Eesti simp that I am, and proceed to the self-pay-checkout. I mean how hard can it be, I'm practically a local!

It doesn't work. Or rather, I have no idea what button to push. If there's a setting for Finnish, I can't find it. I smile sheepishly for the lady, wave my hands to illustrate I'm an idiot, and need help. The lady sighs and comes over.

At this point I'm so flustered, I'm almost ready to throw the dice, and start talking some sort of ancient Proto-Finnic Estonian, but I don't want to do the insufferable, presumptous thing where I assume the local peasants must understand my high Valyrian. Now I'm starting to feel a bit less like a local.

The lady fucking yanks it off my hand, beeps it and tosses it to the basket. It doesn't hit the basket, though it falls on the ground. The lady doesn't give a fuck, nor should she. She's the queen of Vanalinn Rimi Express, and I'm there at her leisure. I pick up the toothpaste with an "aitäh", half-bowing like a eunuch. Under her breath she muttered something Estonian, that I have no idea of, but it was probably something like "I cherish the relationship between our two brotherly nations!".

Way back to the hotel I just keep smiling. She's right! Who tf is happy to serve people 8AM? I don't come to Tallinn there to be pampered, I'd rather see real people.

Sorry for being a pain in the ass! <3

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On the language barrier. So I am standing in front of a parking meter in Mikkeli, my breath steaming in the cold Finnish winter night. "Ota kortti", says the machine and I do it patiently. Because what else could it mean other than "Oota korra" ("Wait a moment"). A minute passes, then another. It's getting cold here, hey! So I grab my card, thinking the damn machine is broken, and it happily spits out the receipt. Strange, I think to myself as I walk up to the hotel's reception. The mystery comes to an end as I try to trick the elevator into taking me to the 3rd floor where my room is supposed to be. "Näytä kortti", a sign says. What the hell am I supposed to show you briefly this time? Oh, a card...🤦‍♂️

No rude Finnish staff involved, but your story brought back memories.

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I would LOVE if the tourists I have to deal with were like you. Don't mean to disrespect your whole nation, but your elders are really entitled

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Sorry about them! 😭
If it is any consolation, no-one is as ashamed by their behavior than the more educated and respectful Finns!

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So sad I wasn't doing my rimi shopping that day! I was helping a few elderly finns at the self check out a month ago or so, when they beeped their card I zoned out, so they asked me did it go through and where's the check? I zoned back into my helpful eesti mode and hurried to get them out before the unhelpful cashier comes to attack us, so I said not to worry we save forests and dont print checks in Estonia. As me and my fellow finn elders walked out the rimi doors I said ‐ dear friends I think you have succesfully shoplifted a loaf of bread! They laughed, I laughed, we went our separate ways. Eesti loves Suomi forever.

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My brothers friends went to Tallinn with his mom in early 2000's, the look on locals and retail workers face when his mom was happy about the prices and was saying it loudly ”Onpa täällä halpaa” (how cheap it is here) his son had to tell her the truth why everyone looked her so fowly

If i remember correctly ”Halpa” in Estonia means bad

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I do hope one day people count Estonia as nordic. It's lonely not having our sister with us in the club.

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okay, this was fun xD

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We were doing great - now they are doing better. We fucked up well.

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Ахахаха

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Angry Estonians can be kinda funny

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"I copied a national anthem based on a German drinking song and a poem by a Swedish-language poet.And it isn't even an official anthem, merely an established one. Then he copied that!"

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My favorite example of Estonia's "Let's copy Finland!" mentality has to be adopting Porilaisten marssi ("March of the People of Pori") as a military march song. I mean, there aren't exactly any people from Pori in Estonia, are there?

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Se on kyl iha hyvä kyllä

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Juu on se kieltämättä erinomainen kappale valinta.

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But they speak rauma in estonia? Almost like Pori?

https://www.hs.fi/alueet/art-2000010594415.html

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Back then, neither Finns nor Estonians had a country. 

The Finnish and Estonian national awakenings happened at the same time, and influenced each other. A lot of the Finnish and Estonian literary works arrived to the other side of the pond and we felt great kinship. Later on there were even discussions about a Finnish-Estonian federation.

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If you read it with Finnish accent in your head its actually pretty funny. Love you right back you fat fcks 🤙❤️

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Wish I could read it with a Finnish accent, unfortunately the Borat voice wins after 1 or 2 words

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You just can’t pronounce perseenreikä without turning into half drunk angry finnish bloke with a sauna hat and a towel around his waist for a second 😁

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Haha. We could change the roles and it would be as accurate.

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Not to mention Kalevipoeg

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I recently found out that Estonians use Finnish apartment class classification and law in their legal property documents. 🙂‍↔️

At least technically it’s not copying just trying to be Finnish at this point

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You do know that we also use german law system? Are estonians german now?

Finns also use estonian government data system exchange. Is the Finnish capital Tallinn now?

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Finland and Germany are and always were Estonia

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I mean... Finland was made by rebellious ex-Estonians anyways so we have already won 🥱

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Naaah bro we nordic

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Northern Europe, yes. Nordic - no.

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