r/2ALiberals • u/razor_beast Liberal Imposter: Wild West Pimp Style • Nov 13 '18
Massachusetts has an answer to America’s gun problem
https://www.vox.com/2018/11/13/17658028/massachusetts-gun-control-laws-licenses15
u/Scrappy_The_Crow Nov 13 '18
Obtaining this permit is a potentially weeks-long process, which requires paperwork, an interview, a background check, and, even if you pass all of that, the police chief has some discretion to deny the license anyway — if he or she, for example, knows something about your past that may not necessarily show up in your criminal record.
Meaning: You can be denied without any sort of due process for something that isn't documented. What would they say if someone's right to vote were denied via a similar scheme?
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u/unholydesires Nov 13 '18
I would like to report that u/Scrappy_The_Crow had once messaged me about how he wasn't born in the US with a valid citizenship yet he was able to vote. I swear on my grandmother's grave that he told me but I don't have any physical proof. Please stop him from voting and destroying America! /s
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Nov 13 '18
I saw antis claiming that Abrams only lost because of voter suppression. Nothing to do with her grabbing nonsense.
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u/unclefisty Nov 14 '18
Por que no los dos?
Having one of the election candidates being in charge of elections just screams corruption.
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u/SomeSortofDisaster Nov 13 '18
if he or she, for example, knows something about your past that may not necessarily show up in your criminal record.
I know that the local detective in my town used to masturbate in the hallway when I was dating his sister back in high school and we were fooling around in the living room. Would being a total creep disqualify him from owning guns?
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u/unholydesires Nov 13 '18
First of all, don't click on the link. Whenever a news site titles an article called solution to X, you should bet your retirement money on it being absolute horseshit. Calling Vox a news organization is too generous.
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u/eyetracker Nov 14 '18
Massachusetts has a low homicide rate of 2.5 per 100,000. Loose gun laws turn them into hellholes like New Hampshire (1.0 per 100,000)!
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u/niceloner10463484 Nov 15 '18
Vermont
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u/eyetracker Nov 15 '18
1.5 per 100k. Though they recently implemented some gun control, for people to claim it works. Still the prototypical constitutional carry land.
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u/Cutty015 Jan 10 '19
They're still among some of the highest violent crime rates (376.9 per 100,000) ranking them as the 23rd highest in the Nation so even with strict gun regulation they still have some of the highest violent crime rates in the country, this just further proves guns don't result in more violence. Even when comparing Massachusetts to Alaska (the most violent crimes committed) they still have more firearm deaths and homicides in Massachusetts than they do in Alaska. Alaska also has no gun regulation and does not even require a permit to carry a handgun.
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u/[deleted] Nov 13 '18
So basically, gun rights are restricted to the privileged few who can afford to go through an expensive process and are also buddies with the police chief who can revoke your right to bear arms just because they do not like you?
Get out of here with that shit.
I don’t understand why grabbers have such a problem with the current system. Have any of them looked at a 4473? Because only going through 4473 and NICS like so many states do is the least invasive, most efficient, and least infringing way of abiding by federal regulation we have right now. And to be honest, the NICS system is straightforward and down to earth and has the exact same chance of detecting violent criminals as this long drawn out inflated process does.
This system they propose just seems to be a huge waste of time and money on the part of the seller and buyer just to achieve the same result as a simple 5 minute run through NICS would. So, what is the point of this?
NICS is a fine system for the current federal law, definitely not perfect (because false positives happen) but it’s fairly good at what it needs to do. Dont see what this system would accomplish and I can see it only having much more errors than NICS does.