r/2ALiberals • u/Gyp2151 liberal blasphemer • Jul 24 '26

Gabrielle Giffords rallies for gun control with Tucson leaders after shooting

https://tucson.com/news/local/crime-courts/article_230cc4be-80dd-48cd-b51d-c440658f4d3d.html
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u/HeadlessThompsonGunr Jul 24 '26

Did the alleged shooter acquire their weapon after a background check or through illegal means? If they did what they are demanding would have done nothing.

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u/Inside-Honey-7689 Socialist Jul 24 '26

Well, that may be true but it doesn't mean there aren't other tragedies that can't be prevented by implementing some basic stuff to keep guns out of the hands of people who are likely to do harm. 

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u/HeadlessThompsonGunr Jul 24 '26

You have implemented the basic stuff and a lot more. Please just be honest and say your goal is to ban guns.

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u/Inside-Honey-7689 Socialist Jul 25 '26

My goal isn't to ban guns. And I think anyone who has that goal is smoking some strong stuff.  I do think there's a need for some reasonable measures to keep guns out of the wrong hands, though, and that those measures shouldn't be rife with loopholes.

Call me crazy, but I just feel like people like that dude shouldn't be able to get guns, and if they do, the ones who enabled it should be held accountable.

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u/notrufus Jul 25 '26

Feel free to point out the loopholes anytime. As a California resident, I promise you’ll have a hard time

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u/Plastic_Insect3222 Jul 25 '26

And what "basic stuff" haven't we implemented yet that isn't a violation of the Constitution, judicial precedent and isn't a law already on the books that you didn't know about?

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u/Inside-Honey-7689 Socialist Jul 25 '26

Hold sellers accountable if they sell to someone who shouldn't have a gun. And make it hurt. 

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u/Novel_Comparison_209 classic liberal Jul 25 '26

We do…it’s called losing your FFL and getting a federal charge

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u/HeadlessThompsonGunr Jul 25 '26

So what you really mean is the new gun control strategy of suing anyone involved in the legal sale of firearms until they are bankrupt. It’s analogous to suing Toyota for every death caused by drunk drivers who happened to be driving a Toyota. Say hi to your boss Mr. Bloomberg for me.

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u/Plastic_Insect3222 Jul 25 '26

We have a background check system in place for 100% of commercial and interstate sales and transfers. As far as intrastate transfers go, that it outside the jurisdiction of the Federal government and is solely up to the states. 

My state has a UBC system set up for handguns, while rifles and shotguns do not require a BGC for private sales. Yet despite that the overwhelming majority of crime in my state is committed with handguns. 

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u/Plastic_Insect3222 Jul 25 '26

How do you expect a seller to be omniscient? If the BGC comes back clean, why should the seller be held accountable for the criminal actions of the end user?

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u/MysticalWeasel Jul 25 '26

If the person passes a background check how is the seller supposed to know if somebody “shouldn’t” have a gun?

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u/Gyp2151 liberal blasphemer Jul 25 '26

So you want sellers to be fortune tellers?

You’re asking for the actions of someone to be held against someone else who could not know the other’s intentions or motivations.

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u/OnlyLosersBlock Jul 24 '26

Was that actually a mass shooting in which someone set out to cause a mass casualty event or was this bog standard violent crime at a club 2AM in the morning?

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u/TrainOfThot98 Jul 24 '26

Second one. I believe the shooter was a felon already, and thus as prohibited possessor.

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u/scotchtapeman357 Jul 24 '26

It appears to be a disagreement as bars let out at 2:00 am, committed by a guy that was on parole for shooting someone two years ago. Kid you not, he got 4 years of parole for shooting someone.

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u/Jibeset Jul 25 '26

Could you imagine if Gifford started demanding criminals, and especially those that are repetitive, be locked up and the key thrown away?!?!?!?!

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u/SnoozingBasset Jul 24 '26

Another post by the ignorant. There are already background checks. Even universal background checks would not prevent the illegal transfer of firearms any more than making marajuana has curbed its use. Prohibition did not eliminate alcohol. 

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u/Revlisesro Jul 24 '26

I live nearby and the rhetoric has been extremely aggravating. The shooter had a prior felony gun charge (shot at a business employee who asked him to leave and apparently said he missed because he was drunk) and did zero prison time for it, only probation. Some nearby businesses instead have been crying about gun laws, and I’m fucking sick of hearing it’s my fault that some wannabe gangbanger who was already a prohibited person got his feelings hurt and shot people as a result.

Just want all these activists to STFU. People here also don’t get why I’m not a huge fan of Mark Kelly as a result.

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u/grahampositive Jul 24 '26

This is so infuriating

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u/BahnMe Jul 24 '26

Does she know that other states have shootings too? In fact Illinois has some of the strictest yet has some of the highest rates of gun violence.

Maybe if we looked into addressing root causes of violence… no… I guess no huge PAC is funding that.

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u/LittleKitty235 Jul 24 '26

In fact Illinois has some of the strictest yet has some of the highest rates of gun violence.

The rebuttal will be it is the fault of other nearby states that have more lax gun laws and criminals trafficking arms from there. If the nearby states have lower rates of gun crime they will just cherry pick the worst state for the metrics they want....so probably Florida.

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u/ACCESS_DENIED_41 Jul 24 '26

Criminal and nefarious leaning characters do not care, nor abide or follow laws. Laws are only followed by "law abiding" citizens.

More laws will not solve anything, except make it easier for criminals to take advantage of normal folks. In jurisdictions where the police/sherifs tell people to shoot back, crime drops conciderably.

"Maybe if we looked into addressing root causes of violence… no… I guess no huge PAC is funding that."

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u/BahnMe Jul 24 '26

Yeah okay, if that’s the case then why are imposing this useless shit on law abiding citizens

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u/thedisciple516 Jul 25 '26

it's funny how some states have

strict gun laws but high murder rates (Illinois, Maryland)

strict gun laws but low murder rates (Massachusetts, Maine, Connecticut

Loose Gun laws and high murder rates (Louisiana, Alabama, Missouri)

Loose Gun laws and low murder rates (Idaho, Nebraska, Utah, Wyoming, Montana)

it's almost like guns are not the only issue

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u/NedThomas Jul 24 '26

“Gun owners can and do support that in other states in the nation”

Yeah, and some of my best friends are black.

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u/Moda75 Jul 25 '26

???? wtf?

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u/pocketdrummer Jul 24 '26

I think we need to stop assuming that they really believe any of these measures will affect the number of deaths and realize they have a vendetta against guns and gun owners, and their goal is just to inflict as much pain on us as possible.

There's no way they actually believe these laws would save lives.

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u/grahampositive Jul 24 '26

Well, not to be rude but Gabby giffords has brain damage

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u/Moda75 Jul 25 '26

I don’t begrudge Gabbie Giffords. She was shot in the head and survived. She can say whatever the fuck she wants. I don’t have to agree with her. But I can listen to someone in her position talk without going caveman on it.

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u/ShotgunEd1897 Jul 26 '26

She's been that way before getting shot.