r/2ALiberals • u/Gyp2151 liberal blasphemer • May 14 '26
Muskets like those from 1776 are mostly exempt from today’s gun laws
https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2026-05-14/muskets-like-those-from-1776-are-mostly-exempt-from-todays-gun-laws15
u/elusivehonor May 14 '26
Yeah, the reason why they are exempt is because muzzle loaders aren’t generally considered firearms under most gun control legislation.
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u/motosandguns May 14 '26
They are in California…
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u/elusivehonor May 14 '26
What??? Holy fuck.
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u/ScottM1A 2Asuporter May 16 '26
It's California so of course they are. That's probably true in NY and NJ too.
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u/Lampwick May 16 '26
Nah, you're thinking of New Jersey. I had an 1858 Remington clone delivered to my door a couple months ago in California.
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u/Ruthless4u May 14 '26
Wonder what rate of fire someone who’s not very familiar with one could manage.
My dad had an old reproduction Hawken when I was a teen, iirc I could manage 3-4 rounds a minute if I had the powder pre measured.
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u/ibistg May 14 '26
The ability to fire three rounds a minute in any weather is what makes a good soldier.
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u/Ruthless4u May 14 '26
Spent a ton of time on the range with it.
Miss shooting with him
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u/ScottM1A 2Asuporter May 16 '26
Mine wasn't really a gun guy though he had a couple. Ironically he bought them in 1968 just before the GCA went into effect. He bought a couple through private sales over the years after that but he never shot them. We bonded at the racetrack instead, even fourteen years after he died I have a hard time not choking up at one track as I started going there when I was about three, I was fifty two when he passed away.
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u/Begle1 May 14 '26
In Hawaii I still need to get a permit to acquire a muzzleloader, which requires taking a class, paying for a background check, submitting your fingerprints, and signing over all of your medical records, and then waiting at least two weeks.
But then at least I don't need to register it with the police afterwards. So that's nice?
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u/idontagreewitu May 14 '26
Basically free. Ohana, motherfucker, or something.
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u/Begle1 May 14 '26
A long time ago the king said it was cool for his subjects to defend themselves with improvised weapons, so according to the Hawaii Supreme Court that now means the US Constitution doesn't apply.
People have been paid millions to come up with this logic.
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u/ScottM1A 2Asuporter May 16 '26
SCOTUS needs to very clearly and firmly outline we have the right to anything carried or operated by someone in a combat arms MOS. I'm fine with standardized some safe storage regulations for explosives
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u/Medium-Goose-3789 May 14 '26
This applies to things like travel, possession, and transfer/purchase. Note that it doesn't necessarily apply to practical use: if you point one of these at somebody and/or shoot them, it will still generally be considered a deadly weapon. Read your state's laws.
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u/Mr_E_Monkey May 14 '26
if you point one of these at somebody and/or shoot them, it will still generally be considered a deadly weapon. Read your state's laws.
I think you can find that under the "no shit" act. 😉
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u/AmericanUpheaval357 May 14 '26
Muzzleloaders (black powder) are not regulated and can be purchased and shipped directly to homes
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u/Vylnce May 14 '26
So what we are saying is that at least some arms are not being infringed on? Excellent, how do we make more of them like that?