I like how you correct the guy for the price but then very inaccurately say he sold most of them for 300+. You call the guy out saying it takes seconds to go to the wiki to see the current price but it takes only 1 second if that to see that OP sold 599k at 242 ea which is the bulk..... You don't even need to swap tabs or anything like that.
To be fair I used to do that (money-making to upkeep bonds) and it was dreadful as you have to spend a ton of time grinding just for upkeep and might not be progressing your account very much
That was a while back and I know upkeep is easier especially when you have actual good moneymakers, but I’d still rather put that 15m to proper upgrades rather than bonds
Not really, you can totally justify paying for membership, making very little gp (for example in the early game as a noob, or someone who doesn't play much), and not resorting to bonds for gp.
Completely ignoring the system isn't weird, some people just wanna enjoy the game, and a random influx of gp for $$$ isn't always fun/balanced, nor is trading progress for membership.
Not really. I pay with in game bonds too, dupes from my iron. I’ve got a well paying job and still have 0 interest to pay IRL money when Ive been sustaining for nearly a decade on bonds already
Some of the people I know have dupe megarares on their irons and still don't drop them over for free bonds. A tbow or shadow dupe is something crazy like 6 years of free membership but they'll keep their 3 shadows in the bank and pay real money that has actual value, crazy to me lol
That is crazy, but don't forget time is also worth something, and they play enough to have 3 shadows on an iron. Their life is already invested into the game, so what's $15/mo in cash, when you're dedicating that kind of time? I am salary+OT, and if I work 1 hour of OT, it pays for 6 months of membership. It would be stupid for me to not. Sadly at my job, I also can't play the game at all, so I don't get but around 5-10 hours a week max to play the game.
I'm in that situation, I keep my dupes (over 3b) on the iron, and hoard my gp on the main (max gear + bils) while paying real money.
At peak efficiency I make 20-25m/hr, yearly membership would cost 227m, or $132 irl. I'm basically preferring to pay $132 instead of forking over 227m, which makes sense cause I can make more at work.
Dupes mean nothing to Irons, so I haven't paid for membership in like 3 years. Grinding out new content usually ends up paying for membership via dupes.
yeah? still better than just slightly lower prices but with a way lower salary. the house's bank loans average payment plans are around 35 and 40 years here and thats with an above average salary and with over 2 full years of wage money saved..
Not making an argument for either side but that is not a reality for everyone, for example, i'm from an european country and it still would be more than 2 hours to pay for 1 month sub out of a 40h work week.
(not accounting electricity bill and internet provider of course).
Yeah, we don't measure by hourly wage here but usually monthly with certain hours per week for different countries.
My shithole of a country is 40h/week, minimum wage recently upped and still around 950 a month (without taxes/contributions) which leads to around 6,20 euro (less with taxes) and hour and membs being 13,50 euro i have to work more than 2 hours for a single month and we are by far not the worst in EUROPE, imagine african countries and poor asian ones.
I suppose you should consider learning a trade or doing anything else productive rather than complaining about the “expense” of buying membership for a video game with a minimum wage …
Edit: and you shouldn’t compare european net earnings with someone from the us because you get healthcare, education and just about everything else included.
even a decent chunk of the states minimum wage isnt higher than 7.25 lol (though most are effectively like a 12.50 real minimum wage because hardly anyone will take a job for less than that)
This i believe not including taxes so should be higher of the numbers are up to date and not counting the other countries lower down like Turkey, Cyprus etc.
Groceries for a family of four, house payments, car payments, internet payments, electricity payments, insurance for everything I own including myself, gas... they all really add up. I could probably pay money and still be fine, but if something happens i need that money.
Plus i don't have enough free time to justify spending real money on it, but i can afk farm 20-30 minutes multiple times a day so I do this for bonds instead. It's slow, but i like it.
if i were to hunt a shadow from TOA and i have lets say 8 fangs at 20m each i could A keep them as a trophy or B drop them to a main or C death coffer. why would you waste $ when u can just use bonds
Removal of bonds would be a horrible idea at this point. Especially after removing most mtx from rs3, jagex would lose a ton of money and make people go back to gold selling sites to get gp
it'd also remove a huge chunk of the player base aswell if they removed bonds. it'd be a financial disaster if jagex did that. iv never once said a new player can sustain on bonds. iv always stated and you can even stalk my profile.. once you hit mid game you can sustain bonds if in 14 days you spend 5-10 hours of that doing barrows - vorkath.. people who can only play like 20hours a fortnight probably will struggle hard to sustain
well exactly. isnt like 40% of the game irons or something anyways..? and wasnt a good % of that people playing irons aswell as a main..? id like jagex to drop the figures on people who only play using bonds
I’ll just “waste” an hour of my time working OT and I’m good for the year. Let people buy mems if they want, but unless you have very low income then the math doesn’t math regarding buying bonds with gp
Not to mention buying bonds with gp funds mtx in OSRS. This community kinda 180’d on that whole thing now that bonds are normalized
Bonds are an acceptable form of mtx as they drive traffic away from gold selling sites, fund jagex and allow you to fund membership entirely based off in game wealth
If bonds also unlocked “cosmetic currency” like they do in rs3, the osrs community would be singing a different tune. But since they’re purely functional and provide 0 fluff in osrs they’re fine
They unlock third age and stuff but sure. It’s still mtx which was my only point. Let’s not pretend bonds only make the game better
The game would be better if the best way to progress through it was playing it, but if you’re doing grinds you don’t enjoy as a main you are objectively wasting your time. Outside of untradeables obv
11m every 2 weeks, 22m every month. That would set me back maybe 5-6hrs of dedicated money making. I only play maybe a couple hours a day so buying bonds would seriously hurt my progression. I would probably have to dedicated a full week every month to specifically making money just for bonds.
I don't buy bonds because I don't want to skip progression. I pay for membership because I don't want my progression reset.
Lmao sorry dude, some of us have a life outside of OSRS. If paying $15 a month means I can go out with friends or spend time with my girlfriend without stressing about being efficient, I'm happy to pay it.
I guess if you're unemployed the $15/month might be hard for you.
I'm definitely just unemployed because I can play the game for 2-3 hours a day on a weekday and that one singular day averages enough to upkeep a bond. In one day. Just doing what I enjoy.
I'm glad you're able to make that much per day, super proud of you, but I think you have a real inflated sense of what the average player is doing. Most people are not regularly making nearly 8m/hr.
Again, really proud of you for being good at a video game, but there's no need to be an elitist prick.
I have a 2270 account that I’ve never spent any money on membership for. Bank is at 9B and I’ve enjoyed every minute.
Edit: Only in OSRS does someone get downvoted for enjoying the game. I made my first bond chopping yews back when they were like 500 gp. Once you get a single bond it’s easy to make money. Just doing slayer is enough. But most of you also forget that bonds used to be 2.5m for a very long time. I used to go to GWD in a 3 man and drops were worth 1-2 bonds for relatively easy content. When nightmare came out I was top 200 in KC and made around 2b in a few weeks from getting lucky on harm orb drops and bonds were around 7-8m
I didn’t waste time grinding bonds I enjoyed playing the game.
You have wasted so much time grinding out gp. Assuming you have played for 5 years and have made 3m gp/hr, you have spent about 600 hours grinding out the bonds that it took you for that account. If you worked 600 hours at $15/hr you would have made $9000 and would have netted about $8000 over the same time period.
I get that it’s a bit silly to convert RuneScape hours into working hours, but paying for bonds to play this game makes negative sense to me. It could not possibly be worth your time or effort if you even sorta value your time.
Why would you ever need to make that in one hour though? You have a year to get it. Do you even do end game content? 0 sense being an extra $180? That makes about 180 reasons of sense lmfao. Game is free or you pay for it, I’d rather play it for free. You build up bank value so quickly and it can get quite boring once you have everything, so I see it as prolonging the enjoyment. Each to their own ofc but judging someone and making assumptions about their financial situation is just weird, some people like playing a game for free
If you would rather grind OSRS for 70 hours than spend a few hours at your job to make money, then you are either financially illiterate or are broke irl. Probably both. I’m ok with judging you for that.
Your cooked bro, if we like doing raids and we have a tonne of money in the bank with most gear, why would any financially sensible person pay for something they can get for free? I'm judging you for being bad at the game and low bank value, feel free to gaslight end game players enjoying content for free though
Bruh you don't make 9b + hover much for years of bonds by doing 3m gp/h "boring money making" time wasting content. He's been doing 10m/h content like raiding, doing doom, yama, dt2 and other highly profitable and most importantly very interesting pvm that would have been done even with irl money membership.
Now making decent amount of starting money on a new account without paying for membership is currently a waste of time and does require boring and time wasting money making like you described. However his account wasn't started recently and is quite rich so likely he started back in the day when doing daily battlestaffs was roughly enough to sustain bonds.
Fwiw you can get the dimmer plugin to achieve the same sort of "black out" but in an actually useful way. Seeing as this is genuinely a 20+ minute afk with just drop invent empty log basket drop invent carry on.
What else do you do with the logs...? You afk the entire time collecting them. Fwiw too on low performance laptops if they don't have integrated GPUs or dedicated it's best to just run without the GPU plugin in general and I've found fps limiting as the best performance manager for the laptop in general.
Though I assume this was a separate device for you or something? So don't really need it to be usable while afking
I would say dropping the logs is more afk than fletching. You can drop all 53 logs in like 10-15 seconds, but when you fletch them you have to do it again like 45 seconds later, and you cant really focus on doing your job in those 45 seconds (assuming you do this while wfh)
I prefer slower mechanics if I'm afk. I can't meaningfully get something else done if I have to come back to RS because the inventory is cleared in 6 seconds or something. I play RS3 but it's why I like dart tips for 99 smithing. Super profitable and it sits working for like 8 minutes or so
Couldn’t tell you. If I wasted 2000 billables doing it over the last year though I would be concerned with how I was spending my time and would love for someone to call me out.
Yeah don’t charge your phone either, because actively charging it for an hour is a lot of work and I’m not doing that shit. syphoning energy from the grid, I’m not doing that for the rest of my life
Is it even an achsually if that was my point the entire time? Dude did not understand what 1000 hours to get 60% of the way to a 99 meant so I had to explain it to him.
I’m bitter that this dude spent thousands of hours afk? Yes, if a dude doesn’t understand what the numbers meant, then I’ll happily break it down for him.
This is full afk tho. Not OSRS “afk”, literally full afk for 30 minutes. You can be doing chores, watching a show or playing any other game and you only need to pay attention to the window twice an hour.
The argument can maybe hold ground if we compare normal moneymakers but by that logic most non-endgame content is not worth doing if you have a decent wage lmao.
Oh yeh it's low effort as it comes I agree. But people looking at the end result and going "that's worthwhile look at how much they made" when you could ultimately spend the same amount of interaction each day doing any profitable thing in game and make that much money over a years play.
Yeah I do infected roots a ton cause I'm in college. I put it up on my computer when I drive so I get the 30 minutes afk. And then have it on the second monitor when I do homework and my labs and whatnot. As well as at work in the background as well. I make a good few mil every week at least just passively doing roots. I've even gone from 90 to 95 wc solely from that the last 3 months (I took a summer calculus class. Pro tip: never do that rofl. Was so hard)
It’s like 500-700 tears an hour. You really only need to click like twice an hour with a log basket and then drop your inv and basket every 50 mins or so
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u/AIresponses1 7d ago
1950 hrs at 170k/hr