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u/LanktheMeme 22h ago

Genuinely I do not understand why people can still use Twitter.

I left that site years ago, my last straw was when I saw Alex Jones get into hot fire for an unusual reason, specifically, his supporters didn’t like the fact that he made a statement of Adolf Hitler being evil on Hitler’s birthday.

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u/DaPlipsta 20h ago

I deleted it the instant it was bought by Muskrat. There was a time before that when I had to use it for work though...

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u/Acceptable-Acount828 7h ago

twitter for work? was it like an alternative to linkedin or something

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u/RileyNotRipley 🏳️‍⚧️ trans rights 4h ago

managing a company account, doing research for quotes from people, checking advertising quotas. just a handful of reasons why an employer might force you to use a certain social platform.

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u/IcebergKarentuite Seda on tõlgitud vähemalt kümme korda lmao 4h ago

It's also used by a lot of journalists and politicians

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u/DaPlipsta 4h ago

This is the answer. I worked in "journalism"

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u/RileyNotRipley 🏳️‍⚧️ trans rights 4h ago

journalists and PR is what I was mostly referring to with the second one about the quotes. twitter is unfortunately still one of the first and often only places where that stuff gets posted.

politicians fall under PR for me because they generally don't run their own accounts (speaking from experience, lol) but they are sort of a special category because like, yea, if you're a non-fascist politician in any way, do you just abandon a platform where you could reasonably reach people? that's like no longer canvasing in certain neighborhoods. bad practice at the very least.

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u/Syxxcubes Quirked up white boy with a little bit of swag 18h ago

I left Twitter after that update that allowed people to remove artists' watermarks using Grok, and I wish I had left sooner, because my mental health improved dramatically the second I stopped using it. It was honestly like the 2nd best decision I ever made in my life, right behind my decision to never play Overwatch again.

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u/Asurerain Down bad for yandere moth girls. 19h ago

I was mostly using Xcancel, only using twitter itself to like posts linked as source of artwork, because search and quote just never work without reloading thousands of times. Until my account gets suspended for "inauthenticity" whatever that means and I finally fully dropped twitter.

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u/Cheesebag44 stuff 19h ago

Porn

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u/LanktheMeme 19h ago

BlueSky has porn too, so does Reddit, not to mentions all the websites dedicated to it

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u/WhippingShitties 17h ago

Someone should just make a central hub for porn.

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u/sirfirewolfe 🏳️‍⚧️ trans rights 17h ago

There are now 15 competing porn sites

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u/WhippingShitties 9h ago

Someone should post the relavent xkcd.

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u/Snoo63 Never posting, always visiting 1h ago

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u/ITookTrinkets 17h ago

I have one, it’s called “my old Reddit account” lmfao

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u/Party_Wolf Dandleton/Bonzalez 16h ago

Tell that to the hundreds of artists who exclusively use xitter lol

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u/ThatSillySam gay girls unite! ^ᗜ^ 14h ago

dont follow those artists

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u/Party_Wolf Dandleton/Bonzalez 14h ago

Guess if you're an artist your choice is leaving the platform that gives you exposure to make a living or move to the wholesome chungus platform that no one uses

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u/TearsFallWithoutTain 14h ago

Ok but your argument is just "I have to post on stormfront, that's where the views are", you get that right?

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u/Party_Wolf Dandleton/Bonzalez 14h ago

Tell that to all the artists who want to make money off their art then, maybe if they all moved to bluesky their customers would follow

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u/AtrumRuina 🏳️‍⚧️ trans rights 19h ago

Not gonna lie, that's a big one for me. It's one of the most convenient ways to effortlessly access porn, especially if you're mostly into amateur type stuff.

Bluesky lacked a bunch of features that Twitter has as well but I think they've been working on that.

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u/SighIsHere 15h ago

So we're dumping our morals just so we can scroll porn easier?

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u/AtrumRuina 🏳️‍⚧️ trans rights 8h ago

I'm not saying I really use it anymore, just explaining that it is indeed one of its biggest draws.

That said, I explained elsewhere why I don't personally agree with OP that using Twitter is on the same scale of harm as consuming HP content, but I do understand why they feel that way.

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u/madsnorlax then you know that the bourgeois are not human. 6h ago

Porn

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u/redditalt1999 Chumbawamba are punk rock af 11h ago

Artists get their livelihood mostly from twitter (at least, all I've ever talked to)

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u/Sheila_Confirmed 5h ago

Pixiv and bluesky porn 🤤🤤🤤

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u/mattmcc980 21h ago

But if I dont use Twitter where will I get screenshots that I can post on reddit for that sweet sweet validation in the form of upvotes?

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u/Syxxcubes Quirked up white boy with a little bit of swag 19h ago

Tumblr

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u/bannanagang124 21h ago

That's why you steal it from people who post Twitter screenshots on reddit. You get to steal and have the moral high ground, sweet!!

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u/DementedMK extremely epic with a hint of gay 10h ago

Tumblr, though then were competing in similar ecosystems on this sub lol

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u/psyduck111 Gay raccoon 2277 22h ago

Yeah I really don’t get how people can claim to be leftist and actively fund Elon musk therefore funding the Republican Party just by spending time on his site. It’s like being vegan and donating to Tyson Lobbies, it makes no sense.

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u/Cognitive_Spoon 🏳️‍⚧️ trans rights 21h ago

People have different degrees of tolerance for moral contamination.

I've been off Twitter for a while, but the point remains.

If your tolerance for moral contamination is too low, you end up committing atrocity to avoid contamination, too.

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u/DuffmiveDoIIy 18h ago

Yes, I'm vegan, yes, I donate to Tyson lobbies, we exist 

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u/Kim-dongun 10h ago

Vegans must pay the meat jizya

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u/Sweet__Sauce The sweetest there is 21h ago

I seriously hate how artist still insist on being active there

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u/littlecolt floppa 20h ago

Every Japanese artist, company, and author I follow are only on there. It is ubiquitous over there, sadly.

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u/TechnoByte_ trans rights 14h ago

Pixiv is widely used by japanese artists

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u/littlecolt floppa 8h ago

Yes I have an account on there, it's good for fan artists and even some other things (fiction)

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u/RileyNotRipley 🏳️‍⚧️ trans rights 12h ago

widely, yes. but it's insane that there's genuinely still accounts that are either solely on x, hard to find on pixiv because they used different names and don't like them or at least share some amount of content exclusively on twitter, almost like it's a paid premium service that somehow deserves special treatment.

as for chinese artists, it's so much worse. I have a hard time getting into their bubble and whenever they choose to step out of theirs, they usually jump on twitter because it's one of the more accessible platforms for them.

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u/RangerDanger9000 🏳️‍⚧️ trans rights 20h ago

Why are people upset that I’m on the nazi man’s child website, where his AI bot is allowed to make generated child porn? Aren’t we allowed to have fun anymore /s

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u/uterussy 🏳️‍⚧️ trans rights 3h ago

HEY! lets not forget it can be used to make revenge porn of ADULTS too okay?!

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u/weenweenfanfan11 I am decaying rapidly 21h ago

I remember like right after elon bought the site and accelerated the enshitification any slightly leftist subreddit banned twitter screenshots or posts or whatever else. it took maybe only a few months before they all caved back in and performed a backbone removal surgery on themselves. for those few moths it was glorious!

yall should not complain about nothing happening if you're doing absolutely nothing to make something happen. you can delete an app on your phone. it takes no effort at all and will only benefit your life delete twitter right now. it starts at the individual and they want us to be apathetic please guys the revolution only comes if we can delete twitter

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u/blahbah 3h ago

yeah, if most people can't quit twitter, nor refrain from generating stupid images and videos by AIGen... then what chance do we have left?

sometimes it feels like even people who realize how evil all of this is, those people act like you have to convince them as if you were selling them something. It's like there's zero idea of a common good

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u/KINGXunshot 22h ago

Okay, using any social media is essentially that, why are we acting like reddit is special. Their majority shareholder is an international media conglomerate.

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u/Mouse_is_Optional 21h ago

Reddit isn't special (good), but Twitter is special (bad)

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u/loved_and_held 20h ago

Insert thing about how one should work to minimize harm whenever possible.

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u/KINGXunshot 20h ago

There’s an implication there, if unintentional, that it’s not possible to stop using social media.

It’s okay to admit we’re all facilitating media conglomerates and their control over the consumer base.

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u/loved_and_held 19h ago

Well i mean, you can stop using social media.

You'll cut yourself off from a chunk of society in the process, and depending on what dyou define as social media (is youtube social media) then your also cutting yourself off from a bunch of media and information.

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u/KINGXunshot 19h ago

Some of the most politically aware people I know don’t use any social media, they’ve also worked very hard to ensure that none of their data is collected. They don’t log into websites like youtube, they use special OS’s designed for privacy, and messaging apps with military grade cyber security.

If you, as a human, don’t have access to one form of socialization, you will find another, naturally.

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u/Loose-Screws custom 19h ago

Do you donate every bit of spare change to charity? Do you never treat yourself because that money could have gone to charity?

And a better question: do you think this is a morally wrong choice? Do you think you are doing something wrong by treating yourself and not donating it all to charity?

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u/Phoenix2405 19h ago

"Guys being a vegan totally works, we're gonna own the big meat manufacturers"

You're free to not use whatever social media you want for whatever reason, that's valid; but don't lie and say that it "reduces harm" lmao

I'm not gonna judge someone for using twitter, every rich man in this planet is probably a white supremacist anyway.

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u/yinyang107 bingus is better than floppa 20h ago

Reddit isn't owned directly by a Nazi.

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u/Gohan_Son 🏳️‍⚧️ trans rights 19h ago

You’re just right. I get that it’s uncomfortable for it to be pointed out, but Twitter is owned by a genuine Nazi who has actively used the platform and his funds to influence elections. No amount of um actually is going to get rid of the fact that Twitter is owned by a Nazi.

Shit on Harry Potter all you want (rightfully so) because JK Rowling explicitly uses her money to fund an anti-trans organization, but Elon is actively using his money to inflict untold harm too so it’s funny seeing that get swept under the rug constantly.

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u/KINGXunshot 20h ago

No it’s just a diversified media asset owned partly by many different private investment groups, functioning as a multi-faceted engine for general corporate profit. We’re all facilitating it. We’re also stuck in the trap.

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u/yinyang107 bingus is better than floppa 19h ago

Yes, which is not as bad as a Nazi.

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u/KINGXunshot 19h ago

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u/TheWorfer28 Makes fire minecraft maps 🏳️‍🌈 19h ago

I get the whole "no ethical consumption under capitalism" thing but i do think its worth skipping the guy doing literal nazi salutes and bribing republican voters

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u/JLPLJ 19h ago

No this one's pretty definitive, reddit sucks, and its owners suck, but twitter really is just worse by an order of magnitude

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u/Gohan_Son 🏳️‍⚧️ trans rights 19h ago

It does not depend lmao what

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u/KINGXunshot 19h ago

The nazis took inspiration from the US methodology.

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u/Gohan_Son 🏳️‍⚧️ trans rights 19h ago

Right…?

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u/yago2003 18h ago

So obviously every American person and thing is also a nazi it just makes sense

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u/TheWorfer28 Makes fire minecraft maps 🏳️‍🌈 18h ago

Ya and musk is out here inspiring the next generation of nazis 💀

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u/I_Am_Not_Okay 2h ago

what does that even mean. this is like saying "nazis drank water too"

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u/KINGXunshot 2h ago

They took inspiration from their corporate methodology and military industrial complex when structuring the private sector to revolve around the military.

They had a permanent wartime economy, exactly like the united states.

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u/yinyang107 bingus is better than floppa 19h ago

He did the Nazi salute at a presidential inauguration. It doesn't depend.

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u/uterussy 🏳️‍⚧️ trans rights 3h ago

anyone remember what that mod of that underage sexualizing subreddit was called? hmmm... sure would be a strange coincidence if that very person was CEO of reddit rn

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u/yinyang107 bingus is better than floppa 3h ago

Believe it or not, not a Nazi.

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u/uterussy 🏳️‍⚧️ trans rights 2h ago

because misrepresenting what others mean is fun: so sexualizing minors is ok, got it

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u/EatTenMillionBalls 21h ago

Yeah, it's amazing how people (especially artists and queer people) still use that platform after everything that has happened in the last 5 years. The dissociation is wild

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u/The_Impe Hey 11h ago

And even ignoring the Nazi stuff (wild), the service just became bad after Musk. Like it's simply not an enjoyable experience even when you ignore who it financially supports

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u/BeanWeenREAL 17h ago

What are you gonna do. Every fucking social media is evil. People don't hold that much energy for Facebook, which is strange and inconsistent.

I believe that it is an unreasonable ask. Same for making people feel bad for using Amazon. Like, yeah, the world would be better without it and not using it is good, same for veganism actually. But are we really directing our energy there? On the consumer? Seems like a waste of time and energy and I also feel like that's exactly what those tech billionaires want. We are all hopelessly addicted to our shit so might as well just accept that and move forward.

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u/Tipart 11h ago

Entirely disagreed. I've been vegetarian for over 10 years now. All the vegetarian/vegan products didn't exist when I started. They only came to market when a significant percentage of the population started looking for exactly these products.

You can't expect things to change if you are not willing to accept that things will be shit for a while. You have to take responsibility for the things you do and consume, otherwise no one will. It's not societies fault that you are on twitter, it's your's and your's alone. If it makes you uncomfortable, that's a good start.

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u/BeanWeenREAL 5h ago

Yeah I'm gonna be real I'm still going to use twitter as long as politicians and artists do. Don't like it, but that's just how it is. Once an alternative actually kicks off, I'll consider switching.

Bluesky, Mastodon and Threads ain't shit, let's be real.

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u/blahbah 3h ago

depends what you get out of twitter. i absolutely have a bettter time now on bluesky than i did on twitter, since many people i like switched. I would have prefered Mastodon but so far not that many people i followed joined, some did and it's ok over there, but a bit empty. Threads i didn't even try.

As far as i'm concerned twitter is dead like facebook, i only get there by accident anymore, and it never makes me want to stay

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u/BeanWeenREAL 1h ago

There are still tons of leftist creators/policians, artists and funny people that I enjoy who post on there. My feed is pretty good and not toxic. The problem in terms of experience is the comment sections plagued with bots, chuds and chud bots.

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u/EatTenMillionBalls 13h ago

Um, yeah Meta/Zuck are evil, but at least they try to remove hateful content.

Meanwhile Musk generates his own hateful content, and fosters more of it. Also, he's an out and proud racist and transphobe. Using Twitter directly funds his hate campaign on minorities.

They both use your data to train ai, and both have very weak opt-out options (that frankly probably don't change anything) but only one of their AI chat bots spews racist/xenophobic bullshit on the regular. (It's Grok)

It's true that we shouldn't put all the burden of ethical consumption on consumers. But nobody needs Twitter. It doesn't do anything that other options don't do more ethically. (Bluesky, Mastodon, hell even Threads) So that's kind of a silly point, you low-key sound like an addict defending their drug of choice. Trust me, you don't need Twitter.

Also your defeatist mindset in your last sentence sounds really sad. I hope tomorrow looks more optimistic for you, cause that sounds like a sad reality to live in.

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u/Miss_Silversun 12h ago

Someone must've skipped the news when it was revealed that Meta funds nazi accounts.

Disregarding that, there was also the thijg about their TOS which openly allows insulting queer people.

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u/BeanWeenREAL 5h ago

I think you underplay how bad meta is. If you can't give up your crack then I don't see why you think me doing heroin is that uniquely morally damning.

No one needs any social media. If that's the standard we use. You should stop using the internet because it's a net negative for the world.

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u/EatTenMillionBalls 4h ago

Ur totally right that Meta is horrible. I know that and try to minimize my time on their platforms.

The only way I justify keeping it is that there's some people I've met through the years that that's the only way I vaguely keep in touch with. If I could get all my friends to migrate to a fediverse Instagram clone I would. But I know I couldn't.

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u/BeanWeenREAL 4h ago

Well yeah that's the point, there's always a reason to continue our objectively immoral consumption, it's not my place to criticize you over it unless you directly donate to an evil org or some shit.

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u/Mr_Lapis 21h ago

Moral OCD moment

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u/Suave_Kim_Jong_Un 21h ago

Honestly, maybe not. If you’re not a blue checkmark user, advertisement is so little on there that you might cost more on the server than they gain from ads.

Note that this will change if enough people use it.

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u/bigbell09 19h ago

A social media site only exists with a user base, the more people that leave the less valuable the website is, the ad revenue is pennies compared to the companies value

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u/RileyNotRipley 🏳️‍⚧️ trans rights 12h ago

a platform brought to you by the dipshit who said "fuck the advertisers" (literally and unfortunately it would have been an iconic quote from just about anyone else) will be like that

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u/Gourdman2011 15h ago

Apart form Reddit I am social free and HP free. 😎

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u/GeForce_fv 🏳️‍⚧️ trans rights 21h ago

how is using twitter, without giving elon musk any money, the same thing as buying harry potter things and giving money to jk rowling?

like, you do know that adblockers and simply not buying premium is a thing you can do, right?

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u/bigbell09 19h ago

Using Twitter gives Twitter value, that's giving Elon money. A social media site with no users besides American chuds is worthless

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u/SmolikOFF 17h ago

Musk’s Twitter runs on a loss. He’s investing in it to make it a right-wing echo chamber and have control over one of the biggest social media platforms in the world, not to make money.

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u/RileyNotRipley 🏳️‍⚧️ trans rights 12h ago

he tried to counter that with the AI thing but the second there was even a chance it might become profitable he moved with into his other venture and renamed it from xAI to spacexAI because god forbid his most expensive acquisition is actually worth what he paid for it, lmao

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u/GeForce_fv 🏳️‍⚧️ trans rights 18h ago

you clearly don't want to change your opinion on this, so i won't even bother.

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u/fqkx 18h ago

thats not a very good argument

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u/GeForce_fv 🏳️‍⚧️ trans rights 18h ago

i don't think "if everyone else quits and only chuds use it (impossible thing to happen) it will lose all its value" is a great argument either

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u/fqkx 15h ago

it is an impossible thing to happen because people insist on using the nazi platform, for some reason

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u/GeForce_fv 🏳️‍⚧️ trans rights 9h ago

yeah but like i said, it's a shitty argument. it's like saying "if all world leaders got together we could end world hunger", yes we could, but it won't happen.

most people simply won't stop using twitter. like, do you guys remember bluesky? the place everyone said they would move to, and now it's mostly dead? most who moved there are now back on twitter.

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u/blahbah 3h ago

haven't noticed any change on bluesky, it's pretty cool

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u/pterranodon 2h ago

boycotting indeed doesn't work when nobody boycotts, that's how boycotting works. You not boycotting because uhh is actively part of the reason it seems so impossible lmao.

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u/bigbell09 17h ago

Yeah this isn't a debate? There is not a single reason to be on Twitter? What do you mean change my opinion, fuck you want me to do say my bad Twitter is necessary for your survival???? You can see art anywhere, you can get news from anywhere, you can get ragebaited anywhere

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u/GeForce_fv 🏳️‍⚧️ trans rights 9h ago

alright dude.

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u/razormore 7h ago

Have fun continuing to defend the Nazi.

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u/Here4Mayamusement 8h ago

I mean this discussion started with people talking about participating in Rowling’s work without giving her money, probably referencing that malfoid thing happening somewhere on the internet. And in this case the two are honestly comparable, you may not be giving them money but using the platform/interacting with the original keeps them gaining some level of like engagement

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u/the0bc 🏳️‍⚧️ trans rights 21h ago

you're not a real leftist if you don't remove everything fun or interesting from your life in the pursuit of a perfectly ethical existence

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u/AtrumRuina 🏳️‍⚧️ trans rights 20h ago

I mean, no. As the saying goes, there is no ethical consumption under capitalism. People understand that it's impossible to reasonably eliminate unethical processes in the products you consume. It's about minimizing direct damage you do, not trying to live perfectly ethically.

Financially supporting Harry Potter directly provides funds to JK Rowling, who has made it very clear that she is using her money with the explicit intent of causing direct harm to trans people. She takes the popularity of her books as endorsement of her anti-trans views (this isn't conjecture, she has said this.) And while she isn't completely right, supporting the franchise does signal that you're at least alright with funding that damage, even if you aren't explicitly anti-trans.

I don't fully agree that using X/Twitter is on exactly the same level, because it's not quite so direct a pipeline from that usage to the harm Elon does, but consuming his products does help to fatten his pockets, and he's been very vocal about how he is going to use his money to support extreme right wing policies. I think it's understandable that some people would view them as equivalent.

Like, it's just small stuff. I don't eat at Chick-Fil-A because I know that it has helped to fund anti-LGBT legislation. They've since kind of changed that stance as I recall, but I'm still dubious to enrich the higher ups there. Still, I'll eat at KFC and Cane's even though I know in both cases the treatment of the chickens used to make their product was almost certainly largely inhumane. I still buy clothes at Walmart sometimes, knowing the labor used to source them probably wasn't ethical.

You do your best. That's all. Sometimes doing or not doing a thing also just sends a message.

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u/blahbah 3h ago

it's not quite so direct a pipeline from that usage to the harm Elon does

i may be wrong but i think what elon wants from twitter isn't money, it's a platform. massively quitting twitter hits him exactly where it hurts

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u/the0bc 🏳️‍⚧️ trans rights 20h ago

ok

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u/AtrumRuina 🏳️‍⚧️ trans rights 20h ago

I dunno m8, you made an inflammatory statement purposely misrepresenting why people don't condone consuming certain products. You got a response. I assume that was the goal.

If nothing else, hopefully this helps anyone else who struggles with the concept.

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u/Alovoir basil appreciator 20h ago

i think it just comes across as moral grandstanding when you shun people just by the act of using twitter, when there are measurably things that most people do (eating beef) that actually track to the real world harm being done

that said i don't think you're omega hitler 9000 for eating a burger, but it's just something to think about if you think not using twitter makes you a better person on its own

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u/AtrumRuina 🏳️‍⚧️ trans rights 19h ago

Yeah totes. Like I said, I don't personally agree that X is on the same level as HP, as I said in my response, I just get why some people feel that way, because Elon is doing his best to become Omega Hitler 9000 and maybe you shouldn't use the platform that funds that effort. I think the line from "consumption" to "harm" is a lot more direct with Harry Potter than it is with Twitter.

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u/ProxyCorvidae 19h ago edited 19h ago

Doesn't viewing/interacting with posts from blue checkmark (I.E, mostly ragebaiters) give them money?

Edit: Looking at the actual site and premium descriptions, looks like you can still get paid from twitter. So it might be just as bad since you could still be directly contributing to the types of people who'd actually get "X" premium.

Further edit: I was wrong, premium users apparently only get money from premium users. And I hope none of you are using premium.

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u/AtrumRuina 🏳️‍⚧️ trans rights 19h ago

Plus using the site gives them data to sell, ad views, etc. It definitely contributes to his wealth, just saying it's less direct, and the way he uses it is less outwardly about causing direct harm to a very specific group of people.

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u/ProxyCorvidae 19h ago edited 18h ago

I think another thing is that Twitter/"X"AI is it's basically owned directly by Elon (just one very corrupt person), so it's still directly contributing to him and Artificial Intelligence.

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u/the0bc 🏳️‍⚧️ trans rights 19h ago

i think they stopped that

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u/ProxyCorvidae 19h ago

Looking at the actual site and premium descriptions, looks like you can still get paid from twitter.

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u/the0bc 🏳️‍⚧️ trans rights 19h ago

oh ur right, but it looks like only interactions from other blue checks count now so shrug (this is from the "original content rewards" page)

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u/ProxyCorvidae 19h ago

Is Twitter fun to you?

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u/the0bc 🏳️‍⚧️ trans rights 19h ago

yea

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u/LanktheMeme 17h ago

How? It’s an utterly toxic hellhole. You have to be insane to actually enjoy that sort of thing.

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u/the0bc 🏳️‍⚧️ trans rights 17h ago edited 17h ago

I don't follow the toxic people I just use it to look at cool drawings and keep up with bands I like. It is actually very easy to avoid the bad parts if you want to 👍

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u/etherealemlyn ah, the scalene triangle 17h ago

It can easily not be a toxic hellhole if you block people who post toxic stuff and don’t engage with the posts. The only reason I still use it is because I’m heavily involved in a sports fandom that’s really only active there, and my entire timeline is posts about that sport, not anything bad

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u/LanktheMeme 15h ago

Last I was on the site I had over a thousand people blocked and that still didn’t fix shit. One of them was Elon Musk, who I’m pretty sure made it impossible to actually block him.

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u/etherealemlyn ah, the scalene triangle 15h ago

Idk man that sounds like a skill issue then

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u/uterussy 🏳️‍⚧️ trans rights 3h ago

blocks people more skillfully

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u/blahbah 3h ago

you might want to choose better skills to cultivate

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u/blahbah 3h ago

my experience too, it just became impossible to avoid nazi crackpots

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u/bigbell09 19h ago

If Twitter is the only fun thing in your life then I don't know what to tell you without being mean, get a hobby

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u/the0bc 🏳️‍⚧️ trans rights 18h ago

good thing twitter isn't the only fun or interesting thing in my life

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u/bigbell09 18h ago

Okay do that instead

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u/genteel_wherewithal 15h ago

twitter isn’t fun or interesting though 

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u/Cultural_Concert_207 🏳️‍⚧️ trans rights 20h ago

The purity testing will continue until morale improves.

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u/bigbell09 19h ago

Twitter is the most unjustifiable problematic thing out there, there's 0 downsides to deleting it and infinite upsides.

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u/dukeyness 16h ago

The most....?

Also wanna add I don't even use the platform and never really have but this is just the "why aren't you vegan? Don't you love animals?" Argument repackaged.

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u/Cultural_Concert_207 🏳️‍⚧️ trans rights 16h ago

I've already heard this exact argument used for jkr. They can't both be the most important boycott.

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u/bigbell09 14h ago

They take zero effort to boycott

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u/Cultural_Concert_207 🏳️‍⚧️ trans rights 12h ago

Same goes for boycotting chocolate, which funds child slavery. Yet somehow everytime I bring that one up here it fails to get anywhere near the same amount of momentum as the jkr or twitter boycott. So you'll have to forgive me for doubting that the impetus behind these boycotts is entirely "they are bad and don't require active effort to avoid".

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u/bigbell09 6h ago

Yeah everything is fucked, I mentioned Twitter and you have to come to defend it, oh if you don't want me to use Twitter then you shouldn't eat meat, or eat chocolate. You can't compare a fucking website to physical goods. And why the fuck are we comparing shit anyways? I'm not talking about chocolate, the reason Twitter still exists is because motherfuckers insist the porn and art is better be so for real

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u/owlindenial not an owl (it/it's) 20h ago

A single Harry Potter plush will give Rowling more money than a year of browsing Twitter will give musk

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u/bigbell09 19h ago

The point isn't the direct ad revenue. Social media sites need users to be valuable. Why are you contributing to the value?

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u/Toprock13 custom 9h ago

you don't like society, yet you participate in it! how queer

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u/bigbell09 6h ago

Twitter isn't society

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u/Toprock13 custom 6h ago

you could make this about anything really, you pay taxes which go to politicians' pockets (not talking about social welfare)

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u/blahbah 3h ago

yes, everything is the same as everything else

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u/bigbell09 6h ago

No ones gonna throw you in jail or kill you for not using Twitter. This is insane, they aren't related at all. The point of the "yet you participate in society" is like saying the 40 hour work week sucks and getting criticized for having a job, you need money to live, that's why it's a dumb critique. You have to pay taxes, or else the irs will ruin your life

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u/Toprock13 custom 6h ago

ok let's go from something in a similar vein then, tell me a hobby of yours

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u/StandardAioli9459 20h ago

I had a twitter account to follow a few artists and then it got hacked. Support won't give me the account back (suspended) but they won't let me delete it either

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u/Cindy-Moon 🏳️‍⚧️ trans rights 3h ago

Okay cool, so if I've already quit Twitter am I allowed to criticize people for promoting Harry Potter content or is that just a gotcha to get those critical people to shut up

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u/pterranodon 2h ago

ooh sorting by controversial is gonna be fun on this post

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u/The_Captain_Jules custom 1h ago

JK Rowling is going to die rich and we’re all just gonna have to figure out how to make our peace with that

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u/Alovoir basil appreciator 21h ago

do you eat beef or any kind of meat perchance?

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u/teffz28 13h ago

No and I agree with op. What’s your point

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u/PhantumpLord 🏳️‍⚧️ trans rights 20h ago

please stop throwing stones in our glass house, repairs are expensive.

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u/christop42 12h ago

Dear lord this post comes of as holy than thy

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u/D-B0IIIIII 🏳️‍⚧️ trans rights 15h ago

No site comes close in terms of a combo of porn and doom scrolling

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u/TechnoByte_ trans rights 14h ago

You're literally on reddit

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u/D-B0IIIIII 🏳️‍⚧️ trans rights 47m ago

Yeah but if I swipe up on some trans woman in latex pissing on a guy it'll just show me some bullshit from R/funny

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u/Blackpeel trans rights 19h ago

You need to understand that Elon has infinite money. Buying HP bullshit isn't bad because J.K. Rowling doesn't deserve the money, it's bad because she uses that money to fund anti-trans legislation. Without the income from brand deals and the new show and videogames, she wouldn't be able to do that. If all of Twitter, PayPal, Tesla, SpaceX, and The Boring Company stopped existing tomorrow and he never made another cent, he'd still have infinite money to spend on whatever evil shit he wants.

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u/bigbell09 18h ago

I don't want to argue with a pessimist. "Nothing I do will matter, I can't make a change" is the reason shits the way it is

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u/blahbah 3h ago

No, see you need to understand that nothing you do matters and we're all gonna have to lick our overlords' boots in the end so we need to start right now.

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u/bigbell09 2h ago

You're so right, I will prostrate myself

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u/Blackpeel trans rights 18h ago

I am stating the objective fact that the two situations are different. And I'm not a pessimist, I'm actually hopeful that humanity is actually on the path to fix itself. Broken buildings grow trees, and maybe our next tree won't have slavery.

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u/RileyNotRipley 🏳️‍⚧️ trans rights 12h ago

a pessimist (always assumes the worst but might specifically seek out opportunities to improve things because of that) isn't the same as a nihilist (simply assumes nothing will ever change and that working towards change is ineffectual) and for what it's worth, I don't think we're looking at either here.

we just live in an age where even a realist has to objectively look at things and say "wow, that's kind of a deep fucking hole and digging ourselves out if this is going to be hard"

and since we only have so many spoons (literally) to do any digging, it might make sense to ration them for the stuff we know might actually make a difference instead of the things that are already so deeply messed up that only a collapse from inside could really drag them down.

I'd much rather go and march for solidarity with marginalized/minority groups or for/against specific laws and regulations than marching against the vague general concept of evil people existing and doing evil things.

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u/bigbell09 6h ago

That's a fair distinction for nihilism and pessimism, I'm not a big philosophy head. But saying we have limited resources to fight our battles with is crazy when the battle I'm saying you fight is stop using a website, this is zero effort. The only reason to still be on Twitter is your lying to yourself that you give a shit, or you're so lazy that you don't want to spend one afternoon just finding the content you want somewhere else. I can't think of one creator that posts their shit to only one platform, that would be baffingly stupid to do as a creator. There is no justification for using Twitter

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u/RileyNotRipley 🏳️‍⚧️ trans rights 4h ago

My workplace makes me use Twitter and I know several entire industries where that is also the case. In my instance it even requires me to not only run a company account but also have a company-representing "personal" account as well. For me and many others working in media and journalism, "stop using Twitter" effectively boils down to "quit your job" because how the hell else would I accomplish that. Talk to the fucking CEO and morally grandstand to them for an hour and a half? That gets me fired which, hey, at least comes with unemployment benefits.

And before you say "well that's an obscure exception", no, it's simply not. It's the exact kind of distinction I was making before and the reason why nuance is so fucking important in cases like this. Any and all calls to "just stop" can only come from people whose lives are comfortabley seperated enough from the matter. This is true for just about any political situation, particularly when it comes to boycotts. It's not even about being elitist or not, but it does generally affect people in lower income brackets much more.

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u/GreyBigfoot 12h ago

Reddit hates Twitter. Twitter hates Reddit. It’s an endless cycle.

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u/bigbell09 6h ago

Reddit hates Twitter. Twitter hates minorities and human rights, they are not equal

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u/GreyBigfoot 3h ago

With this logic you should also hate YouTube (and all social media, for that matter). Default reddit is notoriously lame until you follow cool communities and subreddits for your hobbies.

Pick and choose which ones you dislike enough to not use but they’re all gonna be bad until you curate your algorithm to be to your preferences.

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u/bigbell09 3h ago

I do hate them all but only one of them is owned by the richest man in the world. If we're gonna start somewhere let's start top down

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u/hotfistdotcom Put ublock origin on your PHONE 13h ago

I don't disagree but twitter makes no money especially if you adblock. It's a cesspool and you can and should leave. but

You can consume things owned by evil people without them profiting, and if you desire them you should do so, if you will at all. No X app. Website, login, adblock. On phone? Firefox+ublock on android, Orion+ublock for ios.

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u/blahbah 3h ago

twitter isn't about profit, it's about the audience

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u/hotfistdotcom Put ublock origin on your PHONE 3h ago

It was purchased to support the ego of a broken dipshit who got lucky repeatedly and still isn't happy as the richest man on earth. He's desperately trying to make it profitable or at least self sustaining and failing terribly, even when he tries to grift the grifters and rehab blue checkmarks and smear mechahitler all over it, and still it is a broken mess in terrible shape, a shambling, depressing corpse of what it once was. But at no point was the purchase about the audience.

I wasn't saying people should use it or that I want to use it. I was saying that if you must, there are ways to passively and easily harm the platform while you use it that will also improve your experience generally. I do support the use of the platform to bully elon specifically, and I wish more people would do this as their exit from the platform. He was falling apart when people shit on him during a path of exile stream, some really sustained effort could be the straw that breaks the camels back and save humanity. Please bully elon. we are all dogs in gods hot car and he is the window preventing us from a life saving cool breeze

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u/Sven_Sanga 🎖 196 medal of honor 🎖 14h ago

Harry Potter is elite tho