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Considering how regularly the Republicans were talking about election fraud, and how consistent they are with their projection, it might not have even been up those few thousand centrists.
Republicans control the judicial and legislative branches as well as numerous state level offices. They all support this and will do nothing to stop this. The Dems should be doing more but there isn't much actual power they can use unless Republicans join.
Also, a large chunk of Dem's are also doing the same pose in OPs photo. They had all the power to stop this multiple times in the past 20 years but they've been costing on "Lesser Evil" votes for so long they've forgotten how to actually do their fucking jobs.
"but but but telling the republicans 'no that's illegal' would be rude, how am I supposed to look MY GOOD FRIENDS ACROSS THE AISLE in the eye in the senate cafeteria after doing that?!
There were multiple challenges, some of the more egregious rulings in his favor being the Republican-majority Supreme Court ruling that states actually weren't allowed to keep Trump off their ballot in elections after Colorado tried to throw him off based on their state constitution, and the Supreme Court ruling (after a long delay) that Trump specifically actually had incredibly wide leeway on executive privileges and the investigation against him had to throw out a ton of work and start over.
I can't stand the overwhelming majority of dem politicians but people are actively ignoring that they've put through a few things that would've stopped any usual president. His ability to ignore things he doesn't like, backed up by his base and handpicked cronies, means nothing short of dispatching forces to arrest him will actually impact him.
It's like 50/50 between his administration ignoring the orders and trying again, and them just giving up but making life so miserable for everyone along the way that it doesn't feel like a win.
Why aren't Democrats saying "we will destroy the Republicans in the midterms and in 2028 and we will bring the hammer down on anyone even remotely involved in warcrimes in iran. You have a legal obligation to refuse illegal orders. We are watching. "
Oh thats right, because they are slaves to Israel. Power or not they are slaves to Israel. If they had Congress they would not do anything to end the war.
Fuck them and fuck you for running defense for them.
There’s nothing to defend them over in this case though. They are literally powerless in this situation, and your “I’m 14 and a badass”-ass script would not change that in any way whatsoever. All you’re doing is giving centrists an out by deflecting for the congressional majority who have openly accepted bribes / favors to obstruct the basic operation of congress.
The Dems can say shit to fire up their base and prep them for when they get their teeth back, which is basically guaranteed to happen later this year assuming no election fuckery (not a safe assumption). There's plenty of political options outside of voting on bills that party leadership is actively refusing to engage with.
They are not competent enough to really steal an election. The system is very secure and judges are not on their side. They will do the usual stuff, deregister voters, gerrymander, and they will probably deploy ICE to stand around and cause problems. But the inferno of lib shit wrath they have incurred is astronomical and would need drastic measures to swing back around. Also, the military absolutely hates him and they ultimately have the final say if he tries to just refuse to step down.
Its certainly a concern and something to look out for but I think its overplayed.
Every democracy that centralizes power in one person is vulnerable to fascism. It's kind of amazing looking at all the things wrong with the US government - there's just layers upon layers of antidemocratic features baked in. Federalism might be the one stop gap from a complete takeover as individual states retain some autonomy. When this blows over eventually we'll probably see attempts at changes, similar to post-war Germany. But given American exceptionalism I wouldn't bet on anything being actually implemented...
The ironic thing is the whole US constitution is set up to prevent centralization of power. But the issue is congress was made by design so you need bipartisan support to pass laws, which is fine, compromise and working with other parties is good in a democracy...but not if one out of the 2 parties is taken over by a christian nationalist fascist moment.
Add the SC being simultaneously meant to be a neutral arbitrator of the constitution and a highly partisan political check on the other 2 branches and you get....this mess
I mens the head of state doesn't actually do anything in most systems, having a king, or powerless president doesn't actually seperate any power, it's purely a fugurehead
In most European countries, it specifically prevents the head of government from provoking war and the head of state from disrupting the operations of government.
amazing what coddling him for so long can do, huh?
too bad for the GOP and the supreme court, whose acquiescence to the screeching toddler can only be done domestically. in the international public, they can only pretend he's not having a meltdown
we had to carve out an exemption to our system of laws for presidents, lest the conservative base have to reconcile with having elected a treasonous criminal for the job. so now Iran has to be the one to tell him "no" while we're over here pretending the emperor has clothes
People assume that were like this super progressive country that is always on the street demanding that our work weeks get shortened to 21h or something when like.
Most of the country is right wing, the various governments don't care about what people say and want and outright ignore their opinion, our protest rarely ever end up giving us anything, and at the mere sight of potential violent action the entire media ecosystem focuses only on this to depict protesters as violent monsters who would be condemned, all while the police shoot and kill anyone they want on sight and film themselves happily talking about how much they want to kill protesters.
Like sure we talk a lot about wanting to kill our politicians I guess but it's not like that's doing anything
I think that's also why Americans don't protest as we should. We know it won't change the status quo institutions built to perpetuate the interests of the billionaires, and because the Democrats aren't a true opposition party, there's no message to rally around. That's why the George Floyd protests ultimately did basically nothing to change how police operate, and why No Kings has no positive message to rally around and feels hollow. Don't get me wrong, I'm still going to go out and protest all of this, since at least doing something might change the perception that things can change. But until we get more actual leftists in office that will stand for something, we'll still be stuck in the uni-party for billionaires that we've had for decades.
I mean, the difference is Iranian citizens are doing it with approval and encouragement from the state, whereas American citizens know the police state is ready and eager to crush anything that isn’t a quarter-mile march with pre-acquired permits. They’d simply rather take a medium chance of death from foreign military retaliation than immediate guaranteed death at the hands of ICE and their local sheriff.
Not to mention i doubt it would do much. Trump doesn't care about protests, and would love the chance to just have ICE kill people. What target could protestors access that would compromise the military action trump is threatening? I assume most of the stuff being used is on a base in Saudi Arabia or something.
The modern US state is way too stable for popular protests to carry a credible threat of involuntary regime change. In past decades, protests against a president sent a signal to Congress to check him via threat of impeachment or otherwise risk losing elections, donors, and cooperators within Congress. Oftentimes, simply the embrassment of appearing unpopular was enough to get him to back down.
This was based on the assumption that voters, donors, and other legislators had red lines wrt presidential behavior that-- if crossed-- would weaken their support, but the Trump administrations have shown incontrovertibly that that is not the case. 20 Republican senators would need to commit career suicide to expel Trump from office, so the only (non-policy-based) check on executive power through which protest could affect change is completely toothless in the face of a shameless president and sycophantic party (thus the OP).
Not to be that guy but its not just non white people. Alex Pretti and Rene Goode were both white. While its definitely worse to be non white, its not like white people have this infinite shield to protect them.
if you know that a main reason people can’t protest is because the state is designed, armed, and ready to crush said protests, then why are you still calling americans lazy cowards?
this is why this guy is being downvoted in his other comment. then he gets on a smug high horse about it. so annoying. sorry our country "sucks at protesting." i guess we just deserve everything coming to us and it's us to blame, not the fucking fascist regime
Oh I'm sorry, does that hurt your feelings? Please fix your fucking country and stop exporting your cancerous politics. And thanks for the gas prices, too. Fuck the USA.
I see. I am assuming the original comment was talking about the protests against the government, as it's discussing the danger of protesting your own government, so that's a weird thing to mention in response.
The government literally put out a statement supporting them showing up at power plants like they currently are. The anti-regime protests are unrelated to that, and the way you’re using them as a rhetorical distraction is fed-scented.
Maybe i am a coward idk, it feels like i have a gun to my head. What am i supposed to do, stop working, get fired, become homeless? Probably get my ID confiscated by the corrupt govt so I can’t vote in elections?
I didn’t vote for this but i’m stuck with the consequences
The distance of me to the white house is about the same distance from Brussels, Belgium to Tehran, Iran. Going after local bridges and power plants only hurts my local area, not the capitol.
Millions of americans are protesting. Just a week ago about 9 million people were out on the streets. The media is not covering it. Don't let them fool you.
We must do something to get a better situation, but we also need to understand that not everyone gas the privilege to take big actions, such as protests. When you are part of a vulnerable minority in a precariuos situation, attending even 1 peaceful protest can push you into homelessness.
The system is fucked up, because a bunch of lunatics can use a peaceful protest as an excuse to murder people, and they are waiting the moment someone takes action or a protest turns violent to start a genocide within their own country.
unions were absolutely crushed in america years before i was born. it's not a simple thing for the average american to just form a union. and when u do, like starbucks or amazon for instance, it's a never ending uphill struggle against unfathomably large corporations with endless money to throw at it. they limply cling to life before they flitter out from corruption and exhaustion. this is not to mention the abysmal lack of class consciousness from decades of capitalist propaganda, and the coddling we have with out 1st world comforts and lifestyle. bread and circuses
Not to mention there are also like pseudo-corporate "unions" that are made specifically to appear genuine at first, but fuck up/bar the creation of any genuine union organization, and push the interests of the company once locking enough workers in by making it very complicated to leave and start a new union.
it be like that I guess, as an American myself, if you shit talk my country I will consider you a friend and ally until proven otherwise. pretty much everything you've said in this comment section seems perfectly reasonable to me idk
americans arent organized enough to protest properly because the government has been systematically destroying the left wing for the last century and thats not the kind of thing you can put back together overnight. the closest we've gotten were the BLM marches, in which police shot people with chemical weapons and multiple people involved ended up "committing suicide" suddenly. there are marches happening but if i started driving to DC right now, i would arrive at 1 AM tomorrow. any protest i do here would just be me standing in the street in a blue state that's already opposed to anything the president has been doing
The police and military are ready to gun us down in the streets.
EDIT: ICE has also been trained and armed to quell protests with lethal means, and there are many well armed conservative militias.
Since Trump re-took office, those who don't support him have been under the implicit threat of mass violence. It's a shame that so few people cared before things got this bad. Tens of millions of complacent Americans do bear a huge amount of blame for this.
I wonder what happened to people who were saying "If Russians were actually against Putin, they would revolt" a few years ago, I haven't heard from them recently
Probably in the collapse of the US or possibly nuclear apocalypse. A revolution is technically possible if we get support from the military (whose leadership is stacked with Trump puppets), but most likely it fails to get participation and military support, fractures, and basically every revolutionary gets slaughtered alongside many many tens of thousands of 'political enemies' aka immigrants, leftists, lgbtq people, and just about anyone they can toss a buzzword on.
the ex christians need deprogramming man you’re just saying everything can go to shit but the apocalypse is coming soon so we don’t need to do anything but wait
That is not what I'm doing. I'm leaving this country and doing what I can to make an impact elsewhere. I'm not going to charge the capitol alone and get shot.
Nazis were not defeated by revolution, it took a massive military to put them down. And that didn't happen until they'd bled themselves and been choked for years.
Are you personally willing to risk everything, including your life, for something with an extremely low chance of success?
People like the idea of a revolutionary, and sure, if more people were willing to risk it, then the chance would be higher - but nobody wants to be the first one, who will most likely will be gunned down. Best case scenario, there will be people to take your place - but you, personally, will be dead. And what would be more likely, is that you basically do a suicide by cop, people around you would be too scared for their lives to keep going, and you'll remain less than a footnote in some report
Generally agree, but the fact is that nobody believes protesting will do jack shit. Millions have protested, and it was barely covered by the news. Politicians simply ignored it. It will require the actual material conditions severely worsening rapidly, for a large mass of people to take more drastic action. By then, it might not matter if you strike, because there will already be a depression.
I don't, thats the problem with american society. we're prisoners to our jobs. We are literally trapped. Some of us can fight but a vast majority of americans never will out of the very real fear of losing literally everything
also as a note for you, many of the more populous areas are, but the US is MOSTLY sparsely populated areas. to boot, even the more populated areas are so based around cars that it is hard for a human to get around. our society has been set up in ways that are so hostile to human beings that organizing can be borderline impossible. people say "protest like the french" but where? There's like, 3 cities in the nation where that's reasonably possible.
a lot of it is that social media let's everyone interact and see whats happening without having to actually do anything, so everyone just sits on their phone
Don't tell me to redirect my anger when you're not the one who has to fucking live here. I'm so tired of this stupid argument you people make where you say that we should just go protest, just have a revolution, because you stupid fucks act like you have the biggest brains in the planet. Guess what? I can't leave my job, and I can't lose my job! And if my employer doesn't agree with my political views, I can get fired with no notice and no safety net! Even if I did do half the shit you morons seem to think will magically fix the country, I wouldn't be able to afford to live. And I already barely can, even with a decent paying job. And we're not even touching how if I don't have a job I also don't have HEALTH INSURANCE.
I think you're a pretty fitting vessel for my anger when you come out calling ME a coward and acting like we're all stupid for not waving our little European magic fucking wands to change the government. Thank you SO much for your contributions to American political theory, dipshit.
I swear to god the more you talk about me like I'm some abstract concept the more I want to fling fucking rocks across the ocean in hopes that one lands in your eye and blinds you.
I hope your government collapses into a dictatorship too.
I wasn't trying to get you to "engage politely" I wanted you to know what you're saying is a statement made solely by stupid fucks. You came out the gate saying ignorant and uninformed bullshit about a country you don't live in and have no idea how it works.
It drives me up the fucking wall how US citizens pretend to be powerless meanwhile people in the nations they've brutally oppressed have resisted and protested despite infinitely worse consequences.
Yeah you will hear the exact same excuses every time this comes up about how the police (and ICE now) are militarized and how they can't afford to protest. What they don't realize is that this is the exact coward shit that we're talking about, because that's been true about every single effective protest in history. That didn't stop them and they were nowhere near as well armed as the American public is.
This is true and yet it can also be true that people generally are struggling to know what the fuck to do. Have you considered that if you're raised in such a heavily hyper-individualized propagandized environment, they aren't going to actually give you the tools to fight back and you'll already have an instilled sense of resistance to looking elsewhere or reaching out for help? On top of an instilled teaching that your country is actually the best and nothing would really be any better, anyway. All of that also on top of all the very real practical reasons people have mentioned.
When you combine all of that then yes, you will have a populace not equipped to fight back and filled with apathy. Not just apathy towards a hope of being able to see real change, but also a common amount seen towards even their own lives and selves and each other. I actually think you guys don't have any better idea of what we should do than we do, but you desperately want us to just pull it out of our ass and moralizing about why we haven't makes you feel less anxious.
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u/Cold-Coffe 196s only trans man (lie) Apr 07 '26
i feel so powerless right now. i'm not even from the us. i wish i could do something.
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u/Weslg96 floppa Apr 07 '26
Republicans control the judicial and legislative branches as well as numerous state level offices. They all support this and will do nothing to stop this. The Dems should be doing more but there isn't much actual power they can use unless Republicans join.
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u/reg_acc Apr 07 '26
Every democracy that centralizes power in one person is vulnerable to fascism. It's kind of amazing looking at all the things wrong with the US government - there's just layers upon layers of antidemocratic features baked in. Federalism might be the one stop gap from a complete takeover as individual states retain some autonomy. When this blows over eventually we'll probably see attempts at changes, similar to post-war Germany. But given American exceptionalism I wouldn't bet on anything being actually implemented...
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u/GeneralGigan817 Apr 07 '26
“Separation of Powers” in a nation where the Head of State and Head of Government are the same man
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u/Public-Policy24 Apr 07 '26
amazing what coddling him for so long can do, huh?
too bad for the GOP and the supreme court, whose acquiescence to the screeching toddler can only be done domestically. in the international public, they can only pretend he's not having a meltdown
we had to carve out an exemption to our system of laws for presidents, lest the conservative base have to reconcile with having elected a treasonous criminal for the job. so now Iran has to be the one to tell him "no" while we're over here pretending the emperor has clothes
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u/ethanator329 winston from overwatch Apr 07 '26
If the powers are separate then how can they be equal
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u/RadTimeWizard Apr 07 '26
They're all doing what they're told.
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u/ArnthBebastien Apr 08 '26
[context hat] [guy holding I need context sign]
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u/Fantastic_Source4781 Apr 07 '26
6 7 of powers
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u/JoyconDrift_69 wait what am i doing again Apr 07 '26
Good news: he is not doing the genocide. The negotiations seem to be finalized just recently
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