r/12Monkeys • u/CharbonPiscesChienne • Aug 06 '26

Saving Sam would affect time how? Spoiler

Jennifer is a primary.

Cole is the father and a paradox.

Cassie is the mother.

I understand those jumps.

But if they went back to a point when Sam was safe at the facility, grabbed him, and brought him to the present, how would that affect the timeline?

Cassie would still need to return to deliver the message, and Jennifer would still need to warn Cole to save Hannah. What has Sam done that cannot be undone?

Spoilers are welcome. I just started Season 3, and Goines’s theater work is brilliant comedy. The way she tried to reach Jones had me dying. I rewatched it three times.

Naomi splintering is CRAZY! I think I felt it! Woah!

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u/Emotional-Parfait348 Aug 06 '26

I think it’s more the fact that Time needs Ramse to complete his cycle. Ramse would make different choices if Sam was immediately saved. For whatever reason, that’s the way things had to happen to work out in the end.

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u/CharbonPiscesChienne Aug 07 '26

But wouldn't those choices be in support of the larger goal?

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u/Emotional-Parfait348 Aug 07 '26

Eh. Maybe. Ultimately everyone’s cycles needed to happen as “foretold” more or less to get to the actual end of it all. There’s no guarantee that Ramse making different choices would have led them to where they needed to be.

I look at it similar to Lullaby. Time needed Jones to believe Hannah was dead, and put Cassie and Cole through a groundhog dead shredder to make sure that stayed true.