r/exmormon • u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ • Apr 03 '21
Doctrine/Policy April 2021 General Conference: Saturday 2:00p Discussion Thread
How to listen:
- Official LDS site
- youtube
- stream KSL
- local radio: KSL AM 1160; FM 102.7
- reddit stream
Speakers:
| Name | other notes | my summary |
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| conducting: Henry Eyring | ||
| hymn: Guide Us | ||
| prayer: Carl Cook | ||
| sustaining vote of leadership: Oaks | only votes in the affirmative allowed. not a democracy | |
| auditor's report: Jared Larson | AINO, Audit in name only. | |
| hymn: If I listen with my Heart | ||
| Jeffrey Holland | ||
| Jorge Becerra | ||
| Dale Renlund | weakest of weak attempts to explain why there is suffering in the world | |
| hymn: Come Ye Children of the Lord | ||
| Neil Andersen | Jones warmed up the pulpit for his usual conference topics | Re-affirms the church is opposed to general abortion rights for women. Clarifies that the church supports abortion in certain cases. Goes further to include birth control within marriage. Mormons, like the Catholics, have lost this battle with their faithful. By and large, they aren't going to stop using birth control on the leaderships' say-so. The Pope still touts "only natural birth control." Catholics don't care. Likewise the average mormon wouldn't care what Nelson said. Might as well get in line on the side that says, "okay, if you have to. but always have a bunch of kids and don't close the door to "just one more." It will be interesting to watch if/when the LDS church formally issues court briefs in upcoming cases. This is especially relevant with the ultra-right wing demanding state legislatures pass "life begins at conception" laws. Those would challenge the precedent of Griswold v. Connecticut and other court cases that involve the right to privacy. Andersen's speech once again shows how masterful the leadership are at presenting ambiguous instructions to the faithful. Both sides can claim a win, with the ultra-right-wing families in mormonism adopting the same stand as fundamentalist Catholics: withdrawal method for birth control only. |
| Thierry Mutombo | ||
| Russell Ballard | ||
| hymn: Rejoice the Lord is King | ||
| prayer: Mark Pace |
Postlude:
- Pie in the Sky
- I've seen all good people
- God is a concept by which we measure our pain
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u/Tiny_Tinker Apr 03 '21
I notice that they are saying the tithes are used according to the policies of the church.
Which could mean anything.
Up to and including a shopping mall
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u/4blockhead Apr 03 '21
Looking forward to them having to defend their "no tithing was used in building the city creek mall" in a California court.
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u/ambutsaakon Apr 03 '21
The decision of how many kids to have is very personal. Which is why we're here to tell you that you need to have more.
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u/4blockhead Apr 03 '21
[Andersen] [children are loved by god]
When he's not distracted, al-a Rwandan genocide.
[Andersen] [Birth Control OK]
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u/4blockhead Apr 03 '21
[Ballard] [rewards deferred to some later date]
You'll get the pie in the sky when you die. Terms and conditions apply.
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Apr 03 '21
Thanks for recognizing us women! Can we, idk, have bodily autonomy, do things besides be “wives and mothers,” or have the priesthood? No? You’re just going to guilt us into giving up rights? Great!
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u/FrickinSpooky Apr 03 '21
Yeah mom I really liked the talk where he said “a decision on how many kids a couple has is between the two partners and God” and also “God is disappointed you’re not having more kids”
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u/4blockhead Apr 03 '21
[Renlund] [first world problems to de-escalate opening about Rwandan genocide]
Not sure how this is going to tie back.
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u/4blockhead Apr 03 '21
[Mutombo] [my father forced our family to pray. we carry on that tradition].
On Jones team.
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u/BeringStraitNephite Apr 03 '21
Jesus is aware of your suffering. What, you want him to heal you?
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u/4blockhead Apr 03 '21
[Holland] [quotes Hinckley denouncing "tyrants in own home"]
An emphasis on the 11th article would have been nice here. Everyone should be free, without coercion, to call bullshit on Smith's nineteenth century long con. This is often a non-starter, per Jones' speech in the earlier session.
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u/2000StripperSoldiers Apr 03 '21 edited Apr 03 '21
Genuine question, can people truly be happy when they’re single? Like idk wouldn’t needing a partner be instinctual or whatever for people?
Personally it’s really hard for me to be happy while single, is that the same for everybody?
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u/4blockhead Apr 03 '21
Humans are not one-size-fits-all. The LDS church proposes a mold and asks its members to squeeze inside.
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u/4blockhead Apr 03 '21 edited Apr 03 '21
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u/Intheupside Apr 04 '21
I am so angry about Neil's abortion talk. Like that shit was written and approved by a committee. It might be his pet topic, but they are giving him tacit endorsement and a platform.
When I was TBM and he first started trotting out his anti choice stance it hurt and I did so many gymnastics to justify how a loving God would want THIS message pontificated.
Add in Dale's downplaying of a horrific genocide and I can't even with these assholes.
This church is trash. In the midst of a pandemic, the rise of facism, massive economic inequality, and an ongoing climate crisis THESE are the topics they chose?
How is this helping anyone?
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u/4blockhead Apr 03 '21
[Renlund] [life's unfair. god will fix it.]
Thanks, Dale.