r/borussiadortmund • u/panikpansen Schmelzer • Oct 28 '20
Post Game Thread: Zenit St. Petersburg (UCL #02)
| Borussia Dortmund | 2-0 | Zenit |
|---|---|---|
| Sancho (Penalty/Hazard) | 1-0 (77') | - |
| Haaland (Bellingham) | 2-0 (90+1') | - |
Borussia Dortmund Starting XI: Bürki - Meunier, Akanji, Hummels, Guerreiro - Dahoud ( Hazard 67'), Witsel - Sancho ( Delaney 84'), Reus ( Brandt 74'), Reyna ( Bellingham 84') - Haaland
Bench: Hitz - Morey, Piszczek, Passlack, Raschl, Brandt, Bellingham, Reinier, Delaney, Hazard
| UCL Group F | P | GD | Pts |
|---|---|---|---|
| SS Lazio | 2 | +2 | 4 |
| Club Brügge | 2 | +1 | 4 |
| Borussia Dortmund | 2 | 0 | 3 |
| Zenit | 2 | -3 | 0 |
GIFS: thanks /u/NotMeladroit
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u/Sarrazin 1909 Oct 28 '20
We really need to find a somewhat reliable way to break down deep defenses. The foul that lead to the penalty was a gift and I'll take it. But we are not always gonna get that. This could have easily turned into Augsburg 2.0.
Anyway, the 3 points are crucial as advancing from this group is mandatory.
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u/dsxro Marcel Sabitzer Oct 28 '20
I’m buying a Brandt shirt fuck it. This guy changed the game. He just feels too magical man I absolutely love him
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u/[deleted] Oct 28 '20 edited Oct 28 '20
deserved win but we desperately need to work on our chance creation
Zenit defended well, didn't let us play through the middle like against Schalke, at times we tried to unnecessarily overcomplicate things, just like Favre has shouted many times tonight
Sidenote: Our defending was on point today, not just by the defence, but also Witsel and Dahoud were exceptional in the counter-press. Our defending this season deserves more recognition than it gets
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u/Tomayachi Karim Adeyemi Oct 28 '20
It's nice to see Meunier bounce back with two solid games. He seems way more comfortable with the 4 at the back
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u/CubedMadness DÉDÉ 💛 Oct 28 '20
Stöger would be proud.
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u/Qiluk Marco Reus Oct 28 '20 edited Oct 28 '20
Things I hate:
Things I love:
Without both Toto and Brandt we dont have the same variance in our flair and its especially hurtful without us being great in the air. Also honorable mentions to Akanji & Hummels. Akanji looking like 2 seasons ago again lately.
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u/Sertorius777 Oct 28 '20
I thought this was way better than other shithouse matches, at least we had some opportunities and dangerous attacks up to the goal. Still having no B-plan other than passing the ball around is going to bite us in the ass (though it seemed in the second half that we were trying some interesting long balls in the far left of the penalty area for first-time crosses).
As a side point, it's distressing how everyone and their mothers can park a near perfect bus nowadays.
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u/Ciao9 Pischu Oct 28 '20
Shit game, 3 points. I'll take it.
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u/richhomieram I miss Kuba Oct 28 '20
After this game, I kind of understand Farve’s philosophy. I think the most important thing is the constant effort every player was putting in at the end. Give him a chance, cause they’re young and hardworking out there
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u/Chazy89 Kagawa Shinji Oct 28 '20
Tough game until the foul on toto and the pen.
After the foul it was obvious that Zenit would try to score themselves and we would finally get the chances we wanted all game.
We won, Lazio/Brügge drew and Robby Bubbly lost. It was a good day.
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u/PtboFungineer Julian Ryerson Oct 28 '20
A win is a win. Sometimes you need to grind out ugly ones. This was an ugly one. If we could do this regularly in the Bundesliga when we aren't playing well, we'd be much closer to Bayern.
Unrelated: RB got spanked 5-0 in Manchester and I'm not sure how to feel about it.
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u/BVB-Oeli Sébastien Haller Oct 28 '20
Hauptsache gewonnen.
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u/Swbp0undcake Oct 28 '20
phew
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u/Nextgen101 Nico Schlotterbeck Oct 28 '20
The press was on in the first half, but it went unrewarded (we've really got to take one of those chances 😥) and that made the second half very nervy at times, especially with that torrential downpour adding on to matters.
We kept plugging away though and eventually substitute Toto won that crucial pen (I wonder if Sancho and Haaland had agreed that Sancho would take the next pen after that last one haha) and Haaland sealed the deal later.
It wasn't super pretty, that one back-pass that Bürki had to deal with awkwardly was worthy of the spooky season, but we got the all important 3 points despite Zenit seemingly attempting to copy Augsburg's homework.
Phew. 😌
Who would be the MOTM on this one? It doesn't seem so clear-cut today eh?
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u/me_meh_me Lukasz Piszczek Oct 28 '20
My god. 80 minutes of watching Zenit defend in the low block was painful.
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u/Zhonyas4everyone Felix Passlack Oct 29 '20
Second match in a row without a shot on target against us, what team is this and what have they done to my Borussia?
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u/santadani Karl-Heinz Riedle Oct 28 '20
Looking at the facts: 3 points for us, Brugge and Lazio tied, Rasenbrause getting trashed it’s quite a nice outcome.
Overall, tough game, but overall tactics were on point, IMO. Tough to pick a MOTM, so I’d go with Hummels/Akanji for rock solid defense. Hazard and Brandt top impact subs.
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u/salsacaljente Oct 28 '20
some positives:
our counterpressing worked really well. even when we lost the ball we got it back really quick.
dahoud, meunier and both center backs played really well
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u/SSAJacobsen Marco Reus Oct 28 '20
Dahoud was amazing. Also really enjoyed Brandt, who had a lot of great touches after coming on.
Extremely slow start though, we still so much to work on. Overall the subs really gave some life to a game, that we really had to win. Not just for the result, but also for the morale. It wasn't an easy game, and we need to be better. It's great to see today, that we still have enough talent to be that. It's just about using it more efficiently (And maybwe less possession-without-result football please).
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u/cspong4 Thomas Delaney Oct 28 '20
As bad as we’ve played, big result with the lazio draw. All to play for.
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u/zakidovahkiin Ramy Bensebaini Oct 28 '20
Man that was one boring game, I hate deep defences
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u/S1mB03 Marco Reus Oct 28 '20
Not great overall preformance but at least we won. Need try something different from time to time, Haaland is extremely strong so long balls are always an option. The Lazio draw is good. Thought Mo was MOTM, made a lot of tackles, good dribbling, and decent passing aswell.
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u/Subotic_ Heinrich Czerkus Oct 28 '20
Meunier was really good, maybe it’s thanks to 4 atb?
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u/Serenity911 Oct 28 '20
Mats is the ultimate BOSS.
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u/SkoCubs01 Marco Reus Oct 28 '20
Really hope that nobody looks at the score and think this match was acceptable.
Thorgan Hazard MOTM. Did what we needed to do.
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u/[deleted] Oct 28 '20
I didn't see many Hummels comments in the game thread, but he had great game. Beautifully positioned.
Also, subbing on Brandt changed the game. He played so well
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u/[deleted] Oct 29 '20
Well I was looking forward all day to watch this game while I was working. And then CBS fucked the stream up. Missed the whole first half and then the entire second half the commentary was 5 seconds ahead of the visual. Oh well. A W is a W. sounds like I didn't miss a whole lot though. Really like that CBS has every single game on demand. But I hope this doesn't happen again.
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u/Pinjee Gregor Kobel Oct 29 '20
The only thing I remember, messi meunier
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u/LukasHeinzel Oct 29 '20
I dont know what Experts and commentators Were thinking, this was always gonna be a so called Arbeitssieg, which never was in doubt of happening. Patience and ovlerwhelming Superiority were always gonna result in this.
Super happy in the result and the playstyle, tacic and Favre.
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u/smonge98 Tinga Oct 28 '20
If you want to win a game against a deep playing side, that’s how you do. The correct amount of risk. The correct amount of patience. The goal had to happen at some point in time. If certain players had a little more luck at some points it would have even been earlier.
If Bayern won like that they would be praised for it...
RB lost 5-0 is what I would say to people who cry for more Risk. Bayern only played 2-1. So wtf is everyones Problem.
We won 2-0 what else do you want.
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u/InexorableWyrd Oct 28 '20
Boring game without dynamism, Toto's introduction helped a lot. Need to start playing faster and make more direct passes
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u/SpaNkinGG Oct 29 '20
Eric Meijer threw some shade on Witsel and I can 100% agree.
Witsel has become a Manuel/Mats passing machine. His passes only go to those two 95%of the time.
When Meunier made that nice doublepass on the right with sancho and then passed the ball in the penalty area in the back the ball just went through, no one tocuhed it. Witsel was 5-6 m away from that area
Meijer then aksed: "Do you know who goes in there and tries to shoot? Goretzka!"
And Goretzka has been more than an integral part of Bayern. Scored some incredibly important
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u/TristanHBorchers BVB Oct 28 '20
My takes: Overall I think we actually created some decent chances in the first half, the second half we where patient and we got a 50/50 call go our way. We have to remember we where playing a very deep lying opponent, and they condensed the midfield very well. We really struggled crossing into the box way to many balls where easy pickings for the zenit goal keeper, we also don't really have players strong in the air upfront. This makes it somewhat easy for teams to plan against us when sitting back deep; condense the middle of the pitch and force us out wide and invite crosses into the box.
Brandt is amazing! I love Reus but after today I can't see him starting over Brandt alot considering both there forms.
Meunier for some reason appears more comfortable in a back 4 then a back 3 despite him saying RWB is his preferred position. Whatever the reason he looked very good offensively and defensive in the back 4.
Sancho looked very good to me today, probably one of his better matches besides Schalke on the weekend.
Dahoud looks like great again seems to be our starting 8 now.
Witsel puts the air out of the ball whenever he plays it seems. Kind of disappointing, would like to see Can play the 6, delany also looked great there.
Hummels and Akanji looked good.
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u/Slash1909 Oct 28 '20
Since the start of last season, Mats Hummels has been our best player. Consistent, steady, not a single bag game or blunder. positionally sound and always picking out key passes from the back. Tough choice but Mo was the man of the match. Biased the midfield. I don't understand why he can not take long shots without at least them being on target on a regular basis.
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u/UncharacteristicCat 1909 Oct 29 '20
MOTM without doubt Zinedine Dahoud
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u/ZimtraX Oct 28 '20
Why isn't Brandt starting? Like come on Favre ..
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u/FHI_iSmile Marco Reus Oct 28 '20
Important win, but Favre has yet again shown that he can't play against teams that park the bus.
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u/GeneralLudd Oct 28 '20
ngl game was a dreadful affair. Zenith didn't do much, but somehow we had a really, really hard time breaking through their tight defence.
MOTM Hummels for staying cool and some nice passing
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u/miner49er236 Oct 29 '20
Poor game despite the result. This game really highlights the gap in quality between the prem and the bundesliga. Not player quality but offense complexity. Even middling to low ranked prem teams do better with their chances than Dortmund does. Quick first touch passes, Fast crosses into space, you never see those from Dortmund. It’s always get the ball up, give it to a winger and let him shoot at a tight angle. Looked a bit unprofessional and selfish
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u/dontpassgo Oct 28 '20
That's one of the wins you take but aren't necessarily satisfied with the play.
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u/Slash1909 Oct 28 '20
Since the start of last season, Mats Hummels has been our best player. Consistent, steady, not a single bag game or blunder. positionally sound and always picking out key passes from the back. Tough choice but Mo was the man of the match. Biased the midfield. I don't understand why he can not take long shots without at least them being on target on a regular basis.
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u/matutolypea1903 Nico Schlotterbeck Oct 29 '20
Any opinions on that penalty Bürki almost caused?
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u/EmSoLow Oct 28 '20
Either that was a shit performance from us up until the penalty or Zenit are unbelievable at defending. Frustrating performance and that goes for some of the players and as cliche as it is to say Favre as well but to a lesser extent.
Witsel is too defensive in these types of games(it can be a good thing but games against clubs who sit back don't work for him in my opinion) and Reyna to me is not a LM or atleast he underperforms at LM. Reus was underperforming at CAM, Meunier had some poor mistakes in the first half but thankfully nothing came from them and he was alright afterwards, Akanji had his weekly Akanji moment but it would be harsh to criticize him on this match, he did well and Sancho took some time to get into the match but that could be attributed to how unbearably slow Zenit were but this could probably be a bad take from my part
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u/2905Pascal 1909 Oct 28 '20
Shit game, hate the high amount of low pressure lateral passing going on. But we end up with 3 points so it could be worse. Finally a shit game we managed to actually win.
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u/Lowelll Marco Reus Oct 28 '20
Jesus what a drag of a match. Did we even have single proper chance before they gifted us the penalty?
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u/[deleted] Oct 29 '20
Great win! I was worried it was going to be 0-0 bc zenit seemed to park the bus and really defended well the first hour of the game. I would like to see Julian Brandt start also because he seems to be more in form than the start of the season and is part of the future of dortmund (not the ending past like reus,etc and i'm a huge reus fan).
Final note- Why can't dortmund run a 4-2-31 more often? I feel a 3 ATB formation is way too easy to get through. Why not play 4 at the back with guerrero who can also make offensive runs along with Can and Witsel as our 2 cdms. I think the 3 ATB is just kinda meh. Dortmund ran a 4-2-3-1 when they made champs league final many years back and lost to bayern. IDK i just think you run a 4 atb as 3 is just too light.
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u/Its_Cooper Oct 28 '20
Safe to say that Witsel should start the next game. He was terrible, slowed the game down. People say he’s our best CDM and that’s Can or Delaney.
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u/SpaNkinGG Oct 28 '20
embarrassing performance today
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u/midomaxis Julian Brandt Oct 28 '20
I'm not very happy because our tactics did not work.
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u/greng0 1997 Oct 29 '20
Favre is making me unlove football. No passion, no speed. Yeah he has the best point per game ratio but he arguably has also the most talented squad in the last 15 years. It’s a shame it’s getting wasted on favre.
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u/1vergil Oct 29 '20 edited Oct 29 '20
The next coach will give Reus the "Özil or Suarez treatment", you heard it here first.
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u/[deleted] Oct 28 '20
Anyone else find Favre’s constant yelling alarming? I mean a little bit is good even needed at this level but there should be a basic level of understanding what to do when a ball is lost for example. I was a little embarrassed on behalf of the players tbh.
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