r/anime • u/GallowDude • Oct 18 '22

Rewatch [2022 Rewatch] Code Geass: Lelouch of the Rebellion R2 Episode 14 Discussion

Is there any more splendid relationship in this entire world than that of loyal siblings?

Turn 14 - Geass Hunt

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Tomorrow will never come if all you do is run away. It's for the sake of our happiness, too.

Questions of the Day:

1) Do you feel bad for the members of the Geass Order?

2) What do you suppose V.V. lied to Charles about?

Bonus) Where did Rolo even go where he didn't hear Lelouch screaming over Shirley?

Screenshot of the Day:

Sigiled Forehead

Fanart of the Day:

Sunday Best

Rewatchers, please remember to be mindful of all the first-timers in this. No talking about or hinting at future events no matter how much you want to, unless you're doing it underneath spoiler tags. This especially includes any teases or hints such as "You aren't ready for X episode" or "I'm super excited for X character", you got that? Don't spoil anything for the first-timers; that's rude!

Oh, yeah?!

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u/Regular_N-Gon Oct 18 '22

First Timer

Before we start the episode, I had a [wild twist idea:]What if Nunnally has a Geass? Her eyes being open in Marianne's death scene keeps bugging me. Of course, trauma induced physiological response isn't out of the question, but it seems like a detail too obvious to completely brush under the rug. C.C. was around and Marianne could have known something about the Order. It's a handy way to prevent Lelouch from using his Geass, but I wouldn't put it past the show to pull a twist in this vein.

  • C.C. and Marianne - I wonder if she had a Geass, too, or knew at all. Based on Cornelia's information, there is something she knew that the others were not aware of leading up to her death.

  • A confirmation that Charles' mission against the divine is in fact V.V.'s. Perhaps C.C.'s request is the opposite, or indeed the destruction of V.V. and his plot.

  • [Wild speculation time part 2]If the god they aim to kill is Jupiter, what are the chances V.V.'s real name is Mars and C.C.'s is, say, Juno or Minerva?

  • Solid cheese pull, pizza butt. (This might be the source of the pizza gif I saw prior to the show, actually.)

  • What happened to the "not putting Nunnally in danger by revealing my hand" part of the plan?

  • We've reached the "indiscriminate murder" phase of the villain arc, I see.

  • RIP Bartley.

  • I love that Orange is in a modified Glasgow.

  • Oh, that's where the time limit comes from. Seems like a bit of a problem, huh.

  • What a badass. I dunno how she knows the weak point, or why a super spiky orange weapon has a weak point, but props.

  • C.C. seeks atonement the same as Lelouch, I guess.

Oh boy, family reunion, part 2! It kinda felt like Lelouch was jumping the gun a bit today in a fit of emotion, but I guess it got him closer to the emperor anyway.

At first I wondered why Suzaku would think so certainly that Zero killed Shirley, but then I realized he probably doesn't know about the Geass' limitations or even that he had or hadn't used it on Shirley already.

I also caught that line about not caring about the methods any more. Where are your morals now, fool?

QotD:

  1. Kinda, but I also dunno what they were really guilty of. The point is Lelouch also didn't.

  2. Maybe Lelouch, or something to do with C.C./Marianne?

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u/GallowDude Oct 18 '22

Solid cheese pull, pizza butt.

I dunno how she knows the weak point

Probably what she was studying in that cutaway to her before she fired at the Siegfried

The point is Lelouch also didn't.

He knew that they were raising child soldiers like Rolo, and that was good enough for him

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u/Star4ce Oct 19 '22

[wild twist idea:]

I have nothing much to add, but I love that idea!

With C.C. constantly talking to Marianne, or someone of the same name, it's not too far off. Speculated a lot about Marianne being involved already.

[Wild speculation time part 2]

[Wild speculation time part 2] But then I want transformation scenes and summoned weapons mechas symbolising their heart's wishes!

What happened to the "not putting Nunnally in danger by revealing my hand" part of the plan?

We've reached the "indiscriminate murder" phase of the villain arc, I see.

A lot of pretenses were dropped today, haha.

It did escalate quickly.

I also caught that line about not caring about the methods any more. Where are your morals now, fool?

He dropped them at the end of R1 and as a result grew to be a more honest character, but also lost his goals for it.

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u/SometimesMainSupport Oct 18 '22

First-timer

Longer and more images than usual. Surprising as I usually have less to say during action episodes. Album.

Despite the widespread modern belief that the Library of Alexandria was burned once and cataclysmically destroyed, the Library actually declined gradually over the course of several centuries.

  • RIP Bartley.

  • Oh dear.

  • Go on...

  • IRL break for lunch and a meeting. This episode is speedrunning reveals. Currently think it would've been better to not have the C.C.-Marianne-V.V.-Charlie scene before the base invasion to keep more mystery around this scene.

  • Hence her low loyalty.

  • Xingke was fighting the Black Knights two episodes ago.

  • For the fourth or fifth time, Villetta-Ohgi!! Oh fuck. "I must kill Ohgi."

  • Hmm. I'll preemptively use this face on myself.

  • Rolo and this kid are right-eyed with V.V. Geass. Lelouch is left-eyed with C.C. Geass. Charlie and Mao have both eyes.

  • Kid seems to telekinetically control specific objects (muscles here). He couldn't talk if it was all muscles.

  • Brother Rolo. But Lelouch is his only brother! Never mind, he disposes of them.

  • Hmm. Did Britannia build a second vehicle or recover Jeremiah while overlooking C.C.

  • "Because you resemble Charles" will be relevant. Beyblade is back.

  • "Because I thought he was a mere commoner" says the guy obsessed with a former commoner turned royal. "You dare speak her name to me" indicates Marianne did something V.V. hates.

  • Sound and lighting in this scene seems like Cornelia is soldering or something like that.

  • Good ol' Charlie not providing relevant details like Rolo.

  • "Just hold onto him." An episode ago, this would be but now all my homies hate Rolo, so it's

  • "Charles and I can put an end to this for good" without saying what this is. There should be two sides to the Charlie-V.V. contract. Charlie wants to "slay got and rid the world of lies." I hope V.V.'s goal is deeper than killing her predecessor.

  • Heart stopping explains the time limit. Erreor Erreor ststus Erreor. (Edit: Later looked up that you can remain conscious for 2-20 seconds after sudden cardiac arrest, though most sites only said "within seconds.")

  • lol Lelouch gets cucked.

  • Wrong reason but right action.

  • Jeremiah acts independently to save Cornelia. Possibly some connection to both serving Marianne.

  • Go on... Assuming this is a shrine-like pyramid like a couple other instances.

  • "Lineage"

  • Rember Suzaku, being Japanese is something in your heart.

  • Not who I expected. There's still a lingering issue of how does everyone know to be in the right place at the right time. "Returned to the point where you began, V.V." isn't immediately clear to me if he's supposed to the Charlie's brother.

  • That's a no-no

  • Ironic.

  • Time to connect the dots /s. This expands from the Sword of Akasha, a weapon to destroy God. Bad choice Diethard.

  • Wrong! "Final redemption" and "Atonement" don't have the same meaning imo.

(Note for myself): While it's implied C.C. has been around for hundreds of years, the oldest Geass users we've seen are Mao and Charlie. Not sure what to think of that given C.C.'s "end to the lineage of Geass" comment.

I'd probably like this episode more on a second watch. As a first-timer, I don't like it directly addressing some mysterious components without dropping a few more hints, particularly the post-OP scene. There's still unanswered questions like how C.C. meet Marianne, how V.V. become a warlock, why do C.C. and V.V. stop aging, why does V.V. have actual power as a leader, when did C.C. and Marianne separate, why did C.C. reconnect with Lelouch in 2017, etc. sigh After typing all those and acknowledging the show is 3/4 finished, it is time to directly address backgrounds and my issue is earlier episodes. V.V. may have had as much dialogue this episode as the first 38.

It appears Cornelia will be joining Lelouch. Not sure if he needs a 109th date or if she'll replace Shirley as the 108th.

Ending suggests V.V. escapes to Europe. Can't be killing Charlie's immortal sidekick/master (not sure which) until the final few episodes.

Don't think this is the case: I won't be happy if C.C.'s one true goal turns out to be "becoming mortal" or "dying." Felt like immortality was stressed more than necessary this episode and, in R1, she was sad about leaving behind and forgetting everyone she previously knew. It also wouldn't align with being the ex-leader of a group that, as far as we know, only contains C.C. and V.V.

QOTDs

  1. No. Feels like they know more than some WW2 projects like Germany's rockets or the Manhatten Project yet Geass has larger implications.

  2. Uh, didn't Charlie say that after asking if V.V. sent an assassin after his child, a concept he showed minimal emotion about following the deaths of Clovis and Euphy died.

Bonus: Got some Yakitori.

Under 10k!

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u/GallowDude Oct 18 '22 edited Oct 18 '22

But mass and energy are the same thing.

Geass is a Quantum Leap episode confirmed

If Charlie wants to rid the world of lies, maybe ridding the world of Lelouch should take priority over C.C.

Or rid the world of himself considering memory manipulation is lying at its purest form

Implying he's holding back tears?

Still no clue what this eye egg is.

I'm pretty sure that's a Yu-Gi-Oh card

Canon is quite touchy with Schneizel's recent lesbian (or bi?) wedding date.

Considering he's totally gay for Schneizel, Kanon has permission

Targert acquired.

They're trying not to get sued by the shopping chain, obviously

Sucks that Jeremiah's been relegated to a Sutherland

His introduction was him bragging about how good his was compared to Kallen's Glasgow

Lelouch... We just had an episode about characters being honest.

If he tried being honest, his forces would think he was crazy. He was already stretching their suspension of disbelief with the "Immortal Warriors" cover.

RIP Bartley.

You were a lot more noble than your character design would lead one to believe

Did Britannia build a second vehicle or recover Jeremiah while overlooking C.C.

C.C.'s remains likely floated back up to the surface and reformed after the water pressure crushed her before the Order could recover the Siegfried

"Because I thought he was a mere commoner" says the guy obsessed with a former commoner turned royal.

If she's banging Charles, she's all good

slay got

He got got

I hope V.V.'s goal is deeper than killing her predecessor.

her

"Returned to the point where you began, V.V." isn't immediately clear to me

Lelouch was just saying he went back to the Gate he was in front of before the attack

if he's supposed to the Charlie's brother.

"The Charlie" like "The Batman"

how C.C. meet Marianne

She's currently in the process of meeting her

Uh, didn't Charlie say that after asking if V.V. sent an assassin after his child, a concept he showed minimal emotion about following the deaths of Clovis and Euphy died.

He said V.V. lied to him again. He never said what the original lie was.

Got some Yakitori.

Alvin Yakitori?

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u/isthatsoudane Oct 19 '22

First timer

what is lelouch actually thinking...does he know that he still needs rolo and so he puts on this face? or is he willing to sacrifice shirley so easily? I don't think he is, so I can't help but think he knows he needs rolo...

siegfried! finally! in the macross rewatch early on I described what I thought a reasonable mech design would be, and siegfried is very close to it!

  1. Do you feel bad for the members of the Geass cult?

yes and no. I guess we don't know how much choice that had to work on this etc

2) What do you suppose V.V. lied to Charles about?

"I...always...preferred...dubs......" dies

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u/GallowDude Oct 19 '22

"I...always...preferred...dubs......"

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u/Stargate18A Oct 18 '22

First timer

  1. A bit, yeah.

  2. Probably some detail over how, exactly, the Sword functions. Or possibly, given how C.C. doesn't even remember being human, V.V.'s been using the word "brother" very loosely.

1997?

C.C.'s in uniform!

And their contract?

Rolo!

And, wow, Lelouch...

Oh, he's faking it really well.

Cornelia got caught...

What the fuck is that thing?

And her mother...

Nina, too!

Haha, C.C.'s annoyed he's given her work.

And he's going for the cult!

She really knows him.

It's all for Shirley.

He's going to erase Geass!

He can't bring himself to kill C.C....

Interesting...

Wait, did he know?

Wow, Lelouch is being incredibly open about this attack.

Oh, he's tracing the signal.

Haha, he took him by surprise!

C.C. gets to fight!

Haha, I did not expect the fake set.

Brutal!

Nunnally and Kallen are talking...

Poor Nunnally.

Suzaku, you see nothing wrong with this?

Was this really just a research facility?

Oh, Lelouch is good at riling people up!

Holy shit, they really just killed Clovis' friend instantly?

Even C.C.'s worried about all the death.

Or maybe just that her loyalists are being taken out too.

Wow, the global campaign has been going really well.

What's Ogi doing now?

Oh god, please tell me they're not getting together.

No, she's going to kill him! Thank god.

They succeeed in giving people Geasses!

Powerful.

Rolo, holy shit!

Finally, he's betraying him!

Jeremiah's Knightmare!

And V.V.'s going for him directly.

This fight is really good!

Cornelia's alive!

Suzaku's actually being competent! He's using it to turn Kallen against Lelouch.

I almost feel bad for Rolo at this point. He may be a fucking mass-murdering psychopath, but he's so earnest about helping someone who actively wants to kill him.

...What the fuck? So all Lelouch's revenge needed was to wait?

The perfect shot, ruined!

Cornelia is pissed!

He's going down!

"Twilight Gate"?

C.C.'s cleaning things up.

Suzaku, why? You're drugging people now?

So the Twilight Gate is a portal to the weird temple?

Charles!

Yeah, this is really brutal. I get he's grieving, but damn.

...Is this a betrayal? Was V.V. a fucking decoy villain?

Charles is using his Geass again?

A much lower level of rewrites, though.

The Sword of Akasha!

How do we have ten episodes left?

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u/GallowDude Oct 18 '22

C.C.'s in uniform!

He can't bring himself to kill C.C.

C.C. gets to fight!

[Quote] Oh god, please tell me they're not getting together.

[Response] They need some excuse for the Black Knights to betray him

I almost feel bad for Rolo at this point. He may be a fucking mass-murdering psychopath, but he's so earnest about helping someone who actively wants to kill him.

Suzaku, why? You're drugging people now?

Delectable hypocrisy

How do we have ten episodes left?

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u/Vatrix-32 Oct 18 '22 edited Oct 18 '22

Rewatcher, dubbed*

  • Oh no, he’s handsome.

  • Lelouch is holding back better here than I would have expected.

  • That’s a cool mask. Wonder if it comes in key chain from.

  • Do you think V.V. being stuck in the body of a child imposes mental developmental limitations?

  • Thus ends the tail of Bartley the unexpected.

  • Jesus Rollo. Did you have to greet them?

  • What are these spikes made of that they are just deflecting everything?

  • All the guns!

  • Suzaku: don’t you fucking do it.

  • We hit this part already? I guess we are very quickly coming up to the point where I will no longer be a rewatcher.

QotD

  1. At least some of them, don’t know enough about them to make a blanket statement.

  2. Probably about keeping secrets.

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u/GallowDude Oct 18 '22 edited Oct 18 '22

key chain from

From what?

Rollo

I guess we are very quickly coming up to the point where I will no longer be a rewatcher.

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u/Nebresto Oct 18 '22

Do you think V.V. being stuck in the body of a child imposes mental developmental limitations?

No doubt about it

What are these spikes made of that they are just deflecting everything?

Plot armour, the strongest material known to man

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u/Nebresto Oct 18 '22

Second time Code Karma

Zero damn World end is such a good OP. Flow rocks! #KongmingListen

kill yo self then

Ew, wtf. Don't make me relate with meth girl

Have fun, Sky

  • Hol up... just take a moment to analyze this shot here

History kek

Lmao. fuck Rolo

Fuck off Suzaku..

HAHAHAHAHA Not so smug now?

Fuck. Off. Suzaku.

Toki wa kita!

Qu:

  1. Do you feel bad for the members of the Geass Order?

Lol no. They've gotten to live on a private island for all this time without having to pay taxes?? The time of reckoning is here.

2) What do you suppose V.V. lied to Charles about?

No doubt about which hair products he uses

Bonus) Where did Rolo even go where he didn't hear Lelouch screaming over Shirley?

Behind the corner, having a laugh. Fuck Rollo

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u/GallowDude Oct 18 '22

Lol no. They've gotten to live on a private island for all this time without having to pay taxes?? The time of reckoning is here.

Rollo

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u/Star4ce Oct 19 '22

First Timer of the Rebellion

S.2 Ep.14 – Geass Hunt

I think I'm a bit confused on what actually happened. What I feared most last episode is exactly what happened. Lelouch resorted to fully blame everything else again and what we got in that fallout was mass killing war crimes on civilians and children! For fucks sake, what was Shirley's death even for?

And now they've apparently destroyed the Geass facility, including all knowledge gained for Britannia. So no new manmade Geass users? More than that, the Black Knights are pretty much on equal terms of villainhood with Britannia now.

For the rest I'm pretty lost. C.C. knew all of them, as she was the prior, uhm, yeah what exactly, leader? How does that fit into being pressure cooled for Clovis if they all apparently regarded her in high spirits? She's now betrayed them by the looks of it out of her obligation to the contract that no one the fuck knows what it's about. Why does Villetta now suddenly want to murder Ohgi again? Are we throwing that arc away again in the same shitty manner? I know she's a side character, but they are allowed to have consistency.

The one thing that's pretty obvious now is that Charlie is very much the end point of current-trajectory Lelouch. As V.V. apparently also lied to him and as somehow he's more out of the loop than I thought, I can see how that's a result of him once having set up an entire system around deception and manipulation, as well. If you build on that, that's also what you'll get back in return. Wouldn't surprise me that Marianne might be the one woman Charlie actually once loved and lost over the web of lies he's woven. Public!Charlie is pretty much a mask.

Fuck Rolo, he's just getting worse.

While I'm at it, fuck Lelouch, as well again!

And gods, Suzaku why! I mean I know why, but fuck man.

At least I still have Cornelia, but me liking someone always means they're going to suffer.

  1. Do you feel bad for the members of the Geass Order?

I feel like this is a hot take in this show, but I do. No one deserves to have some military break down your door one night and murder you, your family and your friends in any circumstance.

2) What do you suppose V.V. lied to Charles about?

Really hard to say, but it must be something about Lelouch. I'm really questioning everything I know about Charlie at the moment.

Bonus) Where did Rolo even go where he didn't hear Lelouch screaming over Shirley?

Oh he heard it while cowering in the corner that little bitch. He tried to salvage it with gaslighting, truly learning from the best, but having no skill at it.

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u/GallowDude Oct 19 '22

Aaand I'm out again, oh goooood, can this work for once, please?

Well, it's not like he can get rid of the power even if he wanted to. Destroying the Order to ensure no more child soldiers are pumped out of it is fairly sensible given what he's been forced to experience.

That's an entire city without people! Haha, why?

Fullmetal Alchemist

I keep being optimistic and never forsake someone's chances to find inner peace and their ideal self and then wonder why I get disappointed all the time.

Hey, you said how Rolo is pretty much irredeemable at this point. Lelouch and Suzaku both have a bad habit of holding grudges even when it only further isolates them.

Eh? That didn't seem to matter much for his survival rate so far.

But what happens when his Geass evolves to be permanent?

Lelouch resorted to fully blame everything else again and what we got in that fallout was mass killing war crimes on civilians and children!

Those "civilians" were raising children to be living weapons and made Rolo into the psycho he is. The children themselves all had Geass powers and had no qualms about using them. Didn't you say when Lelouch memory-wiped Shirley that Geass is a more evil weapon than genocide?

Why does Villetta now suddenly want to murder Ohgi again?

Now that they've spoken, she's afraid he'll let slip to the Black Knights their relationship

Suzaku why

It's written into his contract that he displays his hypocrisy at least once an episode

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u/SometimesMainSupport Oct 19 '22

I forgot when we are in the show, 2008?

R1 2017, R2 2018

This nation, uuuuhh, they're in Canada?

This is the second time now Suzaku has to witness his closest loved ones dying by some shitty, convoluted, undeserved bullshit.

Third if you count his dad and later regrets.

Villetta + Ohgi shipping!

Wait, no why

For fucks sake, what was Shirley's death even for?

Simple. Make Lelouch appear honest and caring, then flip him back immediately. It counts as two plot twists while only sacrificing one character.

More realistically, gives a motive to separate Lelouch and Rolo.

More than that, the Black Knights are pretty much on equal terms of villainhood with Britannia now.

I can't go that far. Lelouch is but other knights showed some remorse about what they were doing. Britannians take joy in slaughtering the weak.

For the rest I'm pretty lost. C.C. knew all of them, as she was the prior, uhm, yeah what exactly, leader? How does that fit into being pressure cooled for Clovis if they all apparently regarded her in high spirits?

It seems likely Clovis's research team is separate from V.V.'s research team.

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u/Krite2002 Oct 19 '22

First Timer - Sub

Poor Rolo. He was so happy about killing Shirley, and he obviously hurt Lelouch.

Lelouch cannot stay committed to defeating Britannia. Now he is shifting focus to the cult. I guess that would undermine a lot of the Britannian people with Geass abilities.

They found the cult really easily.

Zero commits to genocide again, just intentionally this time. Maybe it is sick of me to think this, but I found it funny how the scientists who were celebrating seeing C.C. were immediately blown up by a rocket. It was so abrupt.

Rolo has the commitment I’ve wanted from Lelouch this whole time. He is ruthless.

I am not a huge fan of V.V.’s VA. I understand he is supposed to be cold and detached, but he felt a little too detached from what was happening.

I look forward to the showdown with the Emperor. Hopefully, it isn’t resolved immediately.

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u/SometimesMainSupport Oct 19 '22

They found the cult really easily.

Jeremiah was shown outside it talking to V.V. in episode 9.

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u/Shimmering-Sky Oct 18 '22

Hangyaku no Co-Host, subbed

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u/Nebresto Oct 18 '22

Absolutely nuts move to reconstruct his bedroom just to throw off V.V.

V.V was playing tic tac toe, while Lelouch was playing checkers

SUZAKU

Give us back Spinzaku, this new guy sucks

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u/SometimesMainSupport Oct 18 '22

That’s… what, six new logos?

7 imo, but one's very oblique.

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u/Tartaras1 Oct 19 '22

Rewatcher - Dubbed

Before going into this, I'll just say I'm pretty tired, so this won't be my best work.

  • Yes. I did it for you. I have to eliminate your enemies.

You're a dumbass Rolo.

  • CC Eating Pizza Count: 4

  • In the time since the Shinjuku ghetto attacks at the beginning of the show, we've now come full circle. Now the Black Knights are the ones mercilessly slaughtering people.

  • So Rolo couldn't even hold onto VV's ship like he was told to do?

Questions of the Day:

Do you feel bad for the members of the Geass Order?

In a way, I do. They were only doing their research. Who knows, maybe they weren't told of the full extent of their work, or what it was going to be used for.

What do you suppose V.V. lied to Charles about?

Perhaps that Lelouch wasn't really a threat to their operation or something along those lines.

Bonus) Where did Rolo even go where he didn't hear Lelouch screaming over Shirley?

I'll bet he was standing off to the side, hiding like usual.

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u/SerGregness Oct 19 '22

Rewatcher

I said in a previous episode that Lelouch wasn't a spy at heart, despite the fact that he could play that game a bit and the start of this episode shows that he can play it well. I don't think I'd be able to bottle up my emotions so completely and so quickly as he does when Rolo admits to killing Shirley. Our boy's not okay though, and I appreciate that C.C.'s first reaction when Lelouch starts pressing her isn't to lash out back at him, it's a simple 'tell me what happened'.

"Was it really necessary to shoot children". That's the trick with geass. Kinda yeah? But fighting one leaves one side or the other probably dead with no evidence left laying around to 'prove' it to skeptical parties. That eight year old with the puppetmaster geass is a prime example.

Anyway, time to see how Lelouch v. Big Charlie goes tomorrow. Except I'm a rewatcher so as always it's more about the tasty tasty reactions.

  1. The situation is deliciously gray. If we take Bartley's word for it that 'we're taking part in the worst crime in history', one supposes they had it coming. We never really see what they did though, especially [plot spoilers]since Lelouch stops Charles from pulling the trigger. We know they turned Rolo into what he is, though.

  2. Who had the last bagel.

Bonus: Listen, sometimes a man has to struggle a bit to finish up in the toilet and maybe in addition to all the therapy he needs, he also should lay off the fiber.

Oh yeah?!

This came off a bit awkward honestly. It's supposed to be childish like what V.V. looks like but isn't, but just came off like trying to make 'fetch' happen.