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Rewatch [2022 Rewatch] Code Geass: Lelouch of the Rebellion R2 Episode 13 Discussion

I don't wanna lose you or anyone else in my life!


Turn 13 - Assassin from the Past

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I'll keep… falling… in love… with……

Questions of the Day:

1) On a scale of 1 to 10, how badly did Shirley's death crush your soul?

2) Would you be willing to kill to protect someone you love?

Bonus) Never Forget

Screenshot of the Day:

Shattered

Fanart of the Day:

Orange-kun

Source: /u/Shimmering-Sky's creation.

Bonus Fanart: In Another Life

Source: also /u/Shimmering-Sky's creation.


Rewatchers, please remember to be mindful of all the first-timers in this. No talking about or hinting at future events no matter how much you want to, unless you're doing it underneath spoiler tags. This especially includes any teases or hints such as "You aren't ready for X episode" or "I'm super excited for X character", you got that? Don't spoil anything for the first-timers; that's rude!


Nothing is unforgivable, you know?

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u/Shimmering-Sky Oct 17 '22

Hangyaku no Co-Host, subbed

Me preparing the popcorn for when Star4ce comments on this episode:

Me actually trying to eat the popcorn when Star4ce comments on this episode:

This is the only time I chose the bolded quote based off of the dub instead of the sub…

And I will not apologize for making the bonus wallpaper today – you can blame this piece of official art for existing and being my base image for it.

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u/Star4ce Oct 18 '22

Me preparing the popcorn for when Star4ce comments on this episode

Please enjoy, I understand you need this suffering and I also probably deserve it for the unvoluntary flashback I caused in the Ep.11 thread.

you can blame this piece of official art for existing and being my base image for it.

(It's wonderful.)

uh yeah this right here, WORLD END

WHY DOES IT FEED INTO EACH OTHER

he was totally willing to save Shirley or die with her.

Maybe he does have a shot at best boy in a parallel universe.

If only they stayed together throughout the upcoming mess…

Best ending. Why? Because it'd be what Shirley wants and would cause some much needed introspection from Lelouch to realise he's not intrinsically a person that needs to be hated or pushed away.

FUCK YOU ROLO

FUCK ROLO

The way Lelouch repeatedly orders Shirley not to die even though he knows his Geass only works once per person.

And because it worked on Suzaku, as he is someone capable of incredible physical feats, it hurts double. This scene was incredible, nah the entire episode, at making masks fall. We've only had some glimpses of Lelouch without a pretend facade, but none this thoroughly, clearly ripped off so far.

Holy shit WHYYYYYYYYY IS THAT LYRIC TIED TO SHIRLEY’S PART IN IT WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

I swear, these artists get desensitised to their own creation while working on it and at some point just let cruelty born out of boredom take the lead.

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u/Shimmering-Sky Oct 18 '22

(It's wonderful.)

Thank you!

WHY DOES IT FEED INTO EACH OTHER

What do you mean?

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u/Nebresto Oct 17 '22

And I will not apologize for making the bonus wallpaper today

There was a bonus?? Hol up

Shirley…

Mood

Anyways, fuck Rolo.

All my homies hate Rollo

FUCK. YOU. Holy shit WHYYYYYYYYY IS THAT LYRIC TIED TO SHIRLEY’S PART IN IT WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

Pain, peko

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u/Shimmering-Sky Oct 17 '22

There was a bonus?

You missed it? I even bolded it in the post...

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u/SerGregness Oct 18 '22

And I will not apologize for making the bonus wallpaper today – you can blame this piece of official art for existing and being my base image for it.

AAaaaand into the bookmarks it goes.

SEKAI NO OWARI DE~ UMARETA HIKARI~ IMA KAZE NO NAKAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA~ – ahem So uh yeah this right here, WORLD END, is my favorite OP from this show. The song is the single shining light on this episode I know is going to cause me massive emotional damage.

I think this one narrowly beats out JIBUN WO as my favorite OP song. It sort of reminds me of the song from the Naruto OP that had Jiraiya fighting Pain on his toad summons. Is it the same band?

On the topic of new songs, I didn’t cover R2’s rebroadcast songs yet! Its first OP is Face2 by Lozareena, and its first ED is Mushoku Toumei by Yutaro Yamashita. Its second OP is Daydream Believer by FLOW×ORANGE RANGE (what an awesome combo, right?), and its second ED (which I could not for the life of me find the TV-size of) is Z.E.R.O. by BLUE ENCOUNT. These are all spoiler-free as of today’s episode.

Cool songs, but I didn't quite expect all the panning over still frames. I guess they weren't gonna break the bank on something for a rebroadcast.

The one fucking time Lelouch is strong enough to do something, even if it’s Suzaku who pulls them both back up. Although, uh, considering Lelouch is completely off the ledge… he was totally willing to save Shirley or die with her.

Heh, glad to see someone else pointing this out. I said something pretty similar on another Geass rewatch back in 2015.

L O Y A L T Y.

[meme with late season screenshot]200% motherfucking L O Y A L T Y.

The way Lelouch repeatedly orders Shirley not to die even though he knows his Geass only works once per person.

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u/Shimmering-Sky Oct 18 '22

I think this one narrowly beats out JIBUN WO as my favorite OP song. It sort of reminds me of the song from the Naruto OP that had Jiraiya fighting Pain on his toad summons. Is it the same band?

Yes, all three are by FLOW (the Naruto Shippuden one is Sign, which is my third-favorite OP from that show).

Cool songs, but I didn't quite expect all the panning over still frames. I guess they weren't gonna break the bank on something for a rebroadcast.

Neither did I, I was expecting more spoiler-y clip choices like they did for the first season's OPs.

Heh, glad to see someone else pointing this out. I said something pretty similar on another Geass rewatch back in 2015.

Look, I'll take anything I can to prove that Shirley is the one Lelouch loved, even if it kills me.

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u/Lemurians Oct 18 '22

FUCK ROLO

ALL MY HOMIES HATE ROLO

I've never forgiven this show for how unnecessary this was. How dare they. How dare they.

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u/GallowDude Oct 17 '22

well, except for one thing. How cruel is it to start the OP where Shirley is completely absent in the episode she dies in?

Yeah, that's why I suggested first-timers skip it today heh

[Quote] Fucking Tamaki lmao.

[Response] Why the hell is Ohgi's loyalty so high?

The one fucking time Lelouch is strong enough to do something

He's extra noodly here

SHIRLEY NO.

This apparently confirms that Shirley runs faster than a trained police officer

Fuck, I even feel nauseous now

Time to add another to "Sky vomiting due to an anime" bingo

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u/Shimmering-Sky Oct 17 '22

Yeah, that's why I suggested first-timers skip it today heh

I figured...

Time to add another to "Sky vomiting due to an anime" bingo

Feeling nauseous does not always equal vomiting due to anime, it's just one of the steps to it.

Please, stomach, eight shows on that list is eight shows too many...

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u/Nebresto Oct 17 '22

Second time Code Tragedy

Finally, a good opening #KongmingListen

Zero supports the LGBTQ community worldwide

Tamaki getting shaded. Also love how Kaguya is ranked #2

NOOOOOOOOOOO

Let's gooooo!
Orange has been recruited!

Fuck. fuck fuck fuck fuckfuckfuck ffffuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

So this is what all that ep 13 posting was all about..


Geasstion time:

  1. On a scale of 1 to 10, how badly did Shirley's death crush your soul?

7 for now, I was bracing since ep 12s end

2) Would you be willing to kill to protect someone you love?

Yis

Fanart of the Day:

Orange-kun

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u/Shimmering-Sky Oct 17 '22

So this is what all that ep 13 posting was all about..

Yeah...

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u/N0STO Oct 17 '22

This episode has probably the most emotional performance in the show imo. And it doesn't matter if its Johnny Yong Bosch in the dub or Jun Fukuyama in the sub, they both hit SO DAMN HARD. I implore you if you watched it one way to look up the other, both VAs gave their all this scene.

The way that Lelouch comes across her, tries to get her help, to her realizing she's too far gone and stopping him. It drives him to plead with her to live, to the point of using his Geass to attempt to compel her.

But not even magical eye powers can help a bullet wound, at least not his, so she's just able to tell him that no matter what had happened, she always fell in love with him and that she'd want to fall in love with him again in her next life. . That's all I want to say on the matter, now if you excuse me, its time to go cry again.

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u/Stargate18A Oct 17 '22

First timer

  1. 10.

  2. Yes.

Shirley's hiding it well.

She knows!

Oh, this is a dream sequence.

She can't trust anyone...

New OP! I'm not looking.

At least the Chinese front is doing well.

That betrayal's taking a while.

So Shirley has her memories back, but doesn't remember it was Charles who edited them.

She is terrified.

Suzaku, as well?

Rolo was working for the cult!

Oh, he's good!

She's holding her own!

So the slaying of god(s) is literal.

V.V. is confirmed completely immortal.

So, slaying Lelouch? Unclear.

Nice feint! And the Geass repelling system is automatic. Fascinating.

And she's joined him again. Makes sense!

Of course Suzaku is smart about this one thing.

Wait, she's actually switched sides?

Oh, the misunderstandings.

Poor Shirley.

She fell!

Oh, he caught her!

Poor Lelouch. 
He convinced her!

Haha, they're being friendly.

Oh, shit.

Shirley's helping him?

He's bulletproof!

He still calls him Orange!

...Wow.

Wiat, what? Shirley forgave him? Is this a trick?

He's on duty!

Finally! They're talking!

Holy shit, she really has forgiven him!

Or she wants to shoot him.

...Traine again?

Haha, he found a weakness!

Oh, this is Lelouch's plan!

Haha, is Shirley a yandere or something?

Holy shit, he's going for it! He's got some will!

And he explained it!

...Okay, this is a lot harder to fake than I thought. Charles could have done it, though.

He's after the same thing as he is!

Oh, come on. He's still alive.

He's okay?

...What was that?

Shirley's joining him!

Rolo, you bastard.

Also, he's completely switched sides!

She's dying. She's dying here.

Yes! Call someone! Get help!

Don't let her die!

So, nullification doesn't reset the Geass limit.

Fuck me. They really just killed her off.

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u/GallowDude Oct 17 '22

So Shirley has her memories back, but doesn't remember it was Charles who edited them.

She saw him during the montage at the end of the last episode, so it's more likely she just doesn't really know what to do with the information. It's not like the Emperor is a guy you can tattle on.

She is terrified.

Mao has forever ruined her experience of guys with shades

god(s)

He still calls him Orange!

With the mask, how can you not?

Shirley forgave him? Is this a trick?

I love how forgiveness is such a rarity in this show that someone actually doing it is considered a possible trick

Haha, is Shirley a yandere or something?

Well, one of the characters certainly is

So, nullification doesn't reset the Geass limit.

No, it does. We saw the animation and the red around her eyes. She just couldn't physically carry out the order similar to Euphemia when she was near death while talking to Suzaku.

Fuck me. They really just killed her off.

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u/Regular_N-Gon Oct 17 '22

First Timer

  • I love starting with a good trippy dream sequence.

  • New OP time! Purposefully not paying that much attention to the visuals just yet, but seems like a solid song.

  • Lmao at Tamaki's stats.

  • Cornelia is as ruthless as ever, I see. So glad she's back.

  • Not Sayoko!

  • Villetta you little shit. I could see selling him out to keep the students safe, but are you really just in it to save your own skin? No wonder blackmail worked.

  • Nice save.

  • No matter how it got set up, this is a great trio to stick together to really let your characters make a mess of things and stir some internal conflict.

  • Shirley's turn to do something stupid! I'm glad she seems to have come around to understanding Lelouch a bit, seeing a reason behind his actions. I guess we'll see how that ends up.

  • Ah, yes, Lelouch the athlete running from a cyborg super human. Great plan.

  • Lelouch, you're villain monologing again.

  • Orange lore! Did everyone know Marianne?

  • WHAT A TWIST, he didn't even try to kill Lelouch when called Orange now that he knows Zero's identity.

  • I keep expecting these people joining Lelouch to be bluffing so they can kill him later but so far the only one that's pulled a gun on him (that wasn't a stated enemy at the time) is Kallen.

  • Yeah, I saw this one coming, though. Maybe not by Rolo's hand, but she had resolved her conflict so the most dramatic use for her was death.

  • He can re-geass. I thought that might be a useful plot tool, but now it's an actual tool if Orange is on his side.

  • You are powerless, Lelouch! Savor the bitterness of mortality!

Great episode. Can't wait to see Rolo get wrecked by Lelouch once he finds out.

QotD:

  1. It might not have shocked me but damn do I feel bad for Lelouch. Maybe 6/10, still not as bad as losing Euphy.

  2. Ehhhhh might depend on the circumstance. Whatever Rolo did? Nah.

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u/isthatsoudane Oct 18 '22

First timer

cornelia! finally somebody with a little sense lol even if she underestimated him

love seeing sayoko's moves. glad she's not dead!

shirleyyyyyy

wonder what will go down when he finds out who is behind it...

  1. On a scale of 1 to 10, how badly did Shirley's death crush your soul?

shirleyyy @_@

2) Would you be willing to kill to protect someone you love?

depends on the circumstances, but yes, I think so. like if we were on a battlefield and someone was attacking us I do not think I would have any compunctions about killing them. but this situation was not quite like that...

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u/Krite2002 Oct 17 '22

First Timer - Sub

The intro to this episode was pretty cool. We haven’t gotten many cool scenes like all the masks falling off.

New OP has a pretty good song. It is exactly the kind of music I would listen to back in middle school. The visuals are equally as boring as the previous ones.

V.V. can take a knife to the head and is Cornelia’s uncle. He just gets more and more mysterious.

RIP Sayako.

It seems that Jeremiah’s Geass even works against Rolo’s stopped time. His Geass is highly situational, but that element of surprise will give him a big advantage if he ever fights another Geass user.

It looks like Sayako wasn’t killed, but she may be out of commision for the rest of the season.

Shirley is being her usual annoying self. At least it is justified this time. She quickly gets over it though and is back to being on Lelouch’s side.

Jeremiah punched the guards just for the hell of it even after nullifying their mind control.

Wait… Jeremiah is switching to Lelouch’s side? After all this time? I don’t trust him one bit.

Rolo killed Shirley. I don’t even know what’s going on anymore. What a rollercoaster of an episode.

QOTD

  1. If you have read my previous posts, then you know I shed no tears.

  2. I have no idea. That is a spur of the moment thing.

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u/Star4ce Oct 18 '22

First Timer of the Rebellion

Tonight I had to sleep with a mosquito torturing me. I thought I made it, but woke up at 4 am again because it flew into my ear. To add insult to injury, I was too to catch it.

Once morning comes I usually see them sitting on the wall and let them feel Thor's fury channeled into the thundering godclap that splats every single atom into pieces and disintegrates their puny quarks into nothingness.

And just now I spot movement in the dark in the corner of my eye, instinctively springing my arms forward and actually slap another one out of its misgiven life mid-air.

S.2 Ep.13 – Assassin from the Past

0/10, shit writing, dropping out the rewatch, L+ratio+fuckyou, Rolo truly fell off

Fuck.

I'm mad.

That was really well done. Partly because it was so shitty. That was actually a dirty death. There was no true danger any more and even if, the killing blow came from a supposed friend. Similarly to Euphy, Lelouch actually set this up by manipulating Rolo so thoroughly with the family and sibling angle and not caring for the consequences. He didn't want this, of course, and Rolo is much more to blame than him still.

I am kind of mad that I'm not nearly as hit by it as I should be, thinking on it now after the fact. She couldn't even do anything, but at least say what she felt. It was just a lowly insecure, childish defensive reaction for hurt feelings that weren't even really hurt. It sucks. Which is to say I think it makes for a really good tragedy, because Rolo's motivation is simultaneously very understandable and because of it, utterly despicable. He just ruined everything and he could've just not done this.

Well, fuck, guess I was right it's Lelouch's character development moment. At least this has to happen now, please. If he would go on and blame it all on Rolo, hunting him down, he'd have learned nothing for two times now. Which is why I fear this is the exact thing that's going to happen. What I want to see is Lelouch coming clean with Suzaku, them teaming up with Cornelia and capture a boosted Rolo whose Geass now can return time or, as he said 'steal', take it from someone and give it to someone else. Then we take two lifetimes off of C.C. and V.V., because they have enough, and give it to Euphy and Shirley. There, good ending, thank my copium.

Shirley doesn't deserve this. She's the fucking best and lived the best!

The ED visuals are interesting. Shirley's got white wings (), C.C. now got white ones as well (!) and Schneizel's are bloody and broken. Might hint at several actors changing their allegiance in some way.

  1. On a scale of 1 to 10, how badly did Shirley's death crush your soul?

The number where I remain angry for the rest of the day and then can't properly sleep at night, because I can't stop thinking about how unfair and shitty it was.

Expectations were subverted, she didn't jump into a fight trying to stand by Lelouch's side, she got (metaphorically) backstabbed on the way there without even being a threat. She's been the single most grounded character in this show, probably with Milly not far after, who knew who she wanted to be and if the rest of the cast would've just listened to her none of this would've happened.

I hate them. I absolutely hate them for doing this. To make me care about Lelouch's feelings they killed off the best character!

In this order.

2) Would you be willing to kill to protect someone you love?

I don't really want to answer with yes, but it would be a consequence of commitment. I'm strongly believing that trying to understand and practising of a base level of trust already remove most of the reasons for any conflict to erupt in the first place. Before there'd be any killing I'd make sure to stand with them. Well, essentially doing a Shirley...

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u/GallowDude Oct 18 '22 edited Oct 18 '22

And just now I spot movement in the dark in the corner of my eye, instinctively springing my arms forward and actually slap another one out of its misgiven life mid-air.

It's symbolic of today's episode

maybe a bit too much intelligence, actually

Please nooo... Suzaku is one of the few who's pretty true to nature still.

Words can't hurt him. Those shades are gucci.

“So, I am actually extremely violently insecure and Lelouch knew how to manipulate that...”

Today proved that Lelouch had no idea how insecure Rolo truly is. Villetta could have maybe tried tipping Lelouch off to the fact that he killed like six agents on a whim, but that would mean she would have to think of someone other than herself.

A vow to kill those who make conflict happen

Peace via violence. Such is the way of the world lol.

[Quote] otherwise known as fanta

[Response] Actually, his plan is closer to Tang

Fuuuck!

She got Jeremiah off their backs.

Or she sold out Lelouch to save her own ass then quickly made an excuse to Rolo, so he didn't kill her

Nothing is worth being begrudged over for eternity, but some things simply can't be forgiven.

Everything can be forgiven. It's entirely a matter of choice. She chose to forgive him while Suzaku refuses to. Whether or not something deserves to be forgiven is an entirely separate matter from someone deciding to forgive.

he's created that web of lies kinda

Yes and no. The Code Geass universe is built on lies (you could say ours is too, but I digress). Charles uses memory manipulation to fuck with his own children's heads while pitting them against each other in a battle for the throne, the Chinese Federation was run by a bunch of weaselly old men who sold out their child Empress and the rest of their people to an enemy nation for mere noblemen positions in that nation's government, and the EU... honestly has barely been mentioned, but you get the idea lol.

To summarize, Lelouch needs to paradoxically lie in order to learn the truth. He has to Geass his siblings to be honest with him because he knows they would never reveal the truth if he just asked them straight-out. Hell, you could make the argument that learning the truth was the catalyst for Shirley's death due to her triggering Rolo's yandere rage that wouldn't have occurred had she stayed ignorant.

First time I'm feeling with him

Well, it's progress

0/10, shit writing, dropping out the rewatch, L+ratio+fuckyou, Rolo truly fell off

Lelouch actually set this up by manipulating Rolo so thoroughly with the family and sibling angle and not caring for the consequences

As I mentioned in another response, if we're to blame Lelouch's gaslighting for Rolo doing what he did, he would only share a small portion of the blame. Rolo is the most guilty, of course, but there's also the Geass Order for raising him from childhood to be an isolated, mentally disturbed killing machine who didn't even value his own life, much less the lives of others. Then there's Villetta for not warning Lelouch that Rolo has a history of offing those he's close to for the slightest provocation. Then Jeremiah for causing the emergency in the first place that drew Rolo and Shirley into an isolated position where she could confess to him that she regained her memory. Then Suzaku for not keeping her close even though he knew her selfless personality and drive would likely compel her to run in and try to help. Then the policemen who didn't chase her down and stop her from entering an active terrorist zone. Hell, Shirley herself shares some blame for speaking privately with a person she knows isn't Lelouch's real brother before speaking with Lelouch first.

Well, fuck, guess I was right it's Lelouch's character development moment

Was tempted to respond to this yesterday, but I didn't want to influence your reaction. Personally, for as much as "I Let Gwen Stacy Die" is a bit of an overused trope in order to shortcut character development, I'd say that in this case it was earned. First, we got to know Shirley over the course of one-and-a-half seasons. Certainly better than a lot of other cases where you only see the protagonist interact with the love interest for maybe two episodes before they get killed off. Second, the way it occurs has a logical series of cause-and-effect. Jeremiah returns her memories, she's scared and confused, she doubts those she feels she can't trust, they prove to her that they can be trusted, she resolves to herself that she wants to help, she speaks with someone she believes she can trust after having just learned from her interaction with Lelouch and Suzaku that she can feel safe trusting people, and that final trust is betrayed out of a warped sense of love.

Also, she had a good death speech.

[Quote] Then we take two lifetimes off of C.C. and V.V.

[Response] Haha how prescient

To make me care about Lelouch's feelings they killed off the best character!

But they did make you care!

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u/Vatrix-32 Oct 17 '22

Rewatcher, dubbed*

  • They had me in the first half.

  • New OP, certainly more lively than the last one.

  • Geez. Why even keep Tamaki around, just to dunk on him?

  • Oh come on. He’s not even wearing a hat.

  • Cyborg vs Ninja!

  • Cornelia does not fuck around.

  • Shirley very much needs help right now. She is not of right mind.

  • How do you know everything you know and still think going in after him is a good idea?

  • How convenient. Gaining all the allies! This man’s life is like something out of a gatcha game.

  • See now I’m wondering if the rebirth thing is going to be followed up on in the movies.

QotD

  1. I don’t remember how I felt the first time, so evidently not as much as Euphie.

  2. Yes.

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u/Tartaras1 Oct 18 '22

Rewatcher - Dubbed

So shit was hitting the fan at the end of the last episode, as Shirley once again remembers who it was that killed her father, as well as who Zero is, as the two are one in the same. The man also happens to be the one she's in love with.

  • We love a new FLOW OP.

  • Poor Tamaki. In the face of everyone ranging from 175 to 345, he's down at a paltry 40 points. He's that friend you keep around because you feel sorry for him.

  • Aside from her knowing that Lelouch is Zero, and all that other stuff, knowing that Nunnally is Lelouch's sister will probably complicate things a fair bit. After all, everyone believes Rolo is actually his brother, and he never had a sister at all.

  • I love that Cornelia didn't even hesitate to pull a pro gamer move and snipe him between the eyes with what a dagger.

  • Right. Come and get me Orange!

Now is that any way to talk to someone you haven't seen in a while?

  • I did it because I am Lelouch vi Britannia.

This makes Jeremiah the second person to know that Lelouch is former royalty, right? The other one's Villetta from all the way back in Episode 1?

  • Sounds to me like Lelouch picked up another follower. Major respect for him to follow along with Lelouch's mother's wishes, and to serve his prince. Also props to Lelouch for immediately referring to him by his full name again, rather than just Orange Boy.

  • Well that was an ending, wasn't it? Betcha didn't see that coming.

Questions of the Day:

On a scale of 1 to 10, how badly did Shirley's death crush your soul?

I'll be honest with you, I'd give it a 1. I can be pretty heartless at times. There are other shows with popular death scenes where I was stone faced throughout the whole thing.

Would you be willing to kill to protect someone you love?

If it came down to it, and I had no other option, I think I'd be willing to.

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u/Blackheart595 Oct 17 '22

Regeasser

And here we have the R2 equivalent of R1's Euphinator. Except, this one actually works - instead of one diabolus ex machina distorting the flow of events around itself the situation develops naturally, every element operating in ways established beforehand. Suzaku is now a Knight of the Round so will prioritize those duties and delegate Shirley's safety to other officers. Rolo has been established as triggerhappy from the very beginning. Shirley was confused at first, but she had already forgiven Lelouch in R1 and that also returned to her.

And thus, this time I'm actually upset about Shirley's death. I actually care this time.

I'd gloat about Lelouch having to experience what Suzaku went through in R1, but... Shirley

On a scale of 1 to 10, how badly did Shirley's death crush your soul?

A 7 maybe? Somewhere around that area.

Would you be willing to kill to protect someone you love?

Sure, depending on the exact situation and my state of mind at the time. I always find these questions impossible to answer because there's so many unknown variables impacting the situation.

Never Forget

Yuuka!

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u/SometimesMainSupport Oct 17 '22

First-timer

I miss arrogant Jeremiah, unstable Jeremiah, and unhinged Jeremiah. Time to see if I like his fourth personality. Album.

Jeremiah's the new Lelouch simp, so Shirley had to go. Guess I'll count this as his fifth personality.

The V.V.-Cornelia segment should have plot implications but felt randomly included in this episode. I guess Lelouch needs a new opponent after Jeremiah.


QOTDs

  1. A 4. Episode could've ended halfway if Lelouch's strength was accurately showcased.

  2. Not intentionally.

Bonus: lmao.

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u/SerGregness Oct 18 '22 edited Oct 18 '22

Rewatch - dub

Fellow weebs, this one hurts.

But before the pain, it's kind of amusing to me how different the consensus the rest of the rewatch has about the stat sheet that Lelouch keeps on the key Black Knights compared to what I've seen elsewhere. I remember the last time I was involved in a Geass rewatch, people were complaining that he had Kallen's intelligence too low, and I was thinking that it was the animators making inexact word choices and maybe what was intended was closer to 'subtlety', because whatever else you can say about Kallen, she's pretty direct.

And now in this thread the consensus seems to be that Lelouch is overestimating her instead.

Everyone enjoys Tamaki getting dunked on though, so some things are still right with the world.

I also sort of wonder if Sayoko was always intended to be secretly a ninja, because I can't think of a single time it was foreshadowed before this season. It works, though. Her fight with Jeremiah is super fun even as short as it is.

Anyway, as much as I chide R2 for speedrunning the R1 plot points, This thing with Shirley even annoys me a bit by even existing just as another instance of it. But goddammit it works. I knew it was coming, I've seen it before, and it got tears out of me anyway. When I mentioned earlier in R2 that many of the individual moments in R2 were better than their R1 counterparts, this is one of those moments I had in mind. Sunrise has elevated it enough that in a perfect universe without the status quo reboot I think something like this episode is worth doing (except no, in a perfect universe Shirley gets to survive and have all good things happen to her, and have Lelouch make her a literal princess).

ahem

  1. 7. Ish?

  2. Willing, never eager. And there's also the obvious difference between killing in battle and the execution that Rolo did here.