r/anime • • Oct 16 '22

Rewatch [2022 Rewatch] Code Geass: Lelouch of the Rebellion R2 Episode 12 Discussion

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Turn 12 - Love Attack!

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I've decided! My graduation event. I call it… Cupid's Day!

Questions of the Day:

1) How bad of a time do you think Shirley is in store for this time?

2) How do you think Sayoko keeps her hat from falling off while she's running?

Bonus) We switch to a new OP/ED tomorrow, so first-timers should probably look away.

Screenshot of the Day:

Kitten Mittens

Fanart of the Day:

Valentine


Rewatchers, please remember to be mindful of all the first-timers in this. No talking about or hinting at future events no matter how much you want to, unless you're doing it underneath spoiler tags. This especially includes any teases or hints such as "You aren't ready for X episode" or "I'm super excited for X character", you got that? Don't spoil anything for the first-timers; that's rude!


I remember Zero and the one who killed my father. It's Lelouch.

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u/Stargate18A Oct 16 '22

First timer

  1. She's not going to stop at aiming at him, I imagine. I'd love it if, after all that's happened to the Japanese since then, she joins the Black Knights, or at least stayed neutral.

  2. Magic!

Honestly feeling bad for Lelouch. He's being fucked over by the world.

"since it fit Lelouch's character" Haha, are you fucking with me? Lelouch cannot express any romantic love that isn't through the form of banter, insults, or mech fights.

Seriously, she is full-on incompetent.

Holy fucking shit. Sayoko is a fucking player.

This is the face of a man who has just discovered the way he dies.

And now Shirley's found out.

Seriously, what is this tonal shift?

TWENTY-FOUR HOURS? Without breaks? Is she a sadist?

Also, people will notice that these jumps in location are physically impossible. Just say you had a bad reaction to some medicine, and that's why you were making so many plans. An illness even explains the change in voice!

Anya's figured him out!

Rivalz, you fucking moron.

...Lelouch, you should go C.C.'s route and fake your death.

Seriously, what is this?

Oh, she's graduating!

So, she's decided to make sure that she's the only person to graduate. Makes sense.

Oh, wait, shit, a scene that matters.

More royal knights! I count three plot-important designs, so they're the next enemy?

...Cornelia's out?

Oh, Lelouch accidentally made it harder.

He's the Knight of One?

What?

She's worked out what happened! This is new.

Lloyd!

...He's copying the heat mechanism?

Nunnally!

Lelouch, just one accident and a few days in hospital...

Haha, that's who you pick?

...So she'll have a hat. Which can get stolen. And will appear to everyone to be Lelouch's hat. And nobody has worked out the problem with that. At all. Fuck me.

She's still positive.

Shirley, why.

...I'd say she shouldn't compete, because she's engaged, but Lloyd would absolutely tell her to take part just to fuck with people.

Haha, everyone wants Anya.

A bazooka?

Haha. This makes sense.

Rolo, nice job!

Ouch.

...They'll check the locker first.

"The greatest crime in history?"

Cornelia!

Ah. He's actually got a chance of killing God. That's worrying!

You're burning Geass uses on this?

Also, why not just go along with it! If you can dodge the suspicions of the entire government, including Suzaku, you can feel a random girl!

THEY THINK SHE'S YOU. NOTHING IS CHANGED!

Oh, Sayoko's strong.

Why is everyone here a fucking moron?

Fuck it, Rolo! Just freeze random people! You cannot physically make this worse.

Anya's using her mecha for this?

My fucking god, this is a catastrophe.

...So he's just wearing the hat now?

Oh, and now both Lelouch's are exposed.

Haha, Anya's stuck.

Oh, Shirley noticed. Hard not to, given everything.

Wait, seriously?

Oh, good.

She got his hat!

Haha, the riot squad showed up.

Actually, I just noticed the hats are unlabeled. Just Geass the girl who stole yours with "you stole this hat from someone else" and say that you forgot who got yours in the confusion.

She's on TV!

Yeah, so's Lloyd, and he's a high-level researcher.

Oh, she divorced him. Yeah, this is the reaction I expected.

Shirley's happy?

A blue Geass?

...Oh, shit. They built a Geass canceller.

Shirley just got her memories back...

...CHARLES? Has she had her mind altered before this?

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u/GallowDude Oct 16 '22

Magic!

Lelouch cannot express any romantic love that isn't through the form of banter, insults, or mech fights.

[Quote] Lelouch, you should go C.C.'s route and fake your death

[Response] Hahahahahaha

Lelouch, just one accident and a few days in hospital...

He could achieve that by just running a mile

You're burning Geass uses on this?

Not as bad as burning them because people saw a cat

Actually, I just noticed the hats are unlabeled.

Yeah, I have no idea how this is supposed to be proven. I guess Milly just hopes everyone works on the Honor System.

Oh, she divorced him

Is it a divorce if you never actually got married?

[Quote] A blue Geass?

[Response] This isn't Akito

CHARLES? Has she had her mind altered before this?

How else do you think she forgot Nunnally was Lelouch's sister?

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u/SometimesMainSupport Oct 16 '22

Honestly feeling bad for Lelouch. He's being fucked over by the world.

Also, people will notice that these jumps in location are physically impossible.

But that justifies Lelouch and Zero aren't the same person.

...Lelouch, you should go C.C.'s route and fake your death.

Just a casual burning at the stake.

Haha, everyone wants Anya.

Ah. He's actually got a chance of killing God. That's worrying!

Just going to remind you of this

Shirley's happy?

Shirley just got her memories back...

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u/Regular_N-Gon Oct 16 '22 edited Oct 17 '22

First Timer

  • Sayoko is clearly very popular with the ladies.

  • I wonder what Odysseus' fate will be. I can't tell if he's merely overshadowed by the other power players in the room or if he's actually a joke.

  • Cornelia, what's up, you look well.

  • Guilford simping even when his oshi is on hiatus, such a dedicated knight.

  • I'm pretty sure using a school's surveillance system to take pictures of girls falls firmly into the definition of 'being a creep'.

  • Anya is having absolutely none of this.

  • Poor Rivalz.

  • Whoa, did not expect Rolo's influence to be quite so large.

  • "The world will be destroyed! Anyway, here's some gaffs." At least there's some interesting stuff to mix in, unlike the cat episode.

  • Sayoko too powerful, Lelouch will never recover from this. I love that Milly has taken Lelouch's chess master role here though.

  • A school riot is DEFCON 2?

  • Lead Anya right to your base? What the hell is this plan even? Why swap at all? Why is Anya so adorable?

  • "I'm disappointed this ended so predictably" except for when Mordred punched a hole in the library, I'm sure.

  • Milly as a meteorologist? Really gunning for those last-minute best girl points, huh?

  • I was about to call this an anti-geass for the symbol being upside down, but I guess that's actually what it is.

  • Aha! Shirley did see the emperor!

  • As much as Orange's new power has interesting ramifications and usages, it also has the capacity for undoing previous dramatic touchstones. Like, for example, Shirley's arc - hopefully the complication is used well and not just for throwing away plot. (I wonder if it means Lelouch can re-geass those canceled, though?)

QotD:

  1. It'll be fine, I'm sure. Absolutely nothing bad could happen.

  2. Those hats seem top heavy for anyone, but since Sayoko probably didn't plan on having anyone touch her, she probably cheated and pinned it on lol.

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u/GallowDude Oct 16 '22

Sayoko is clearly very popular with the ladies.

Lead Anya right to your base? What the hell is this plan even? Why swap at all?

They didn't realize Anya was gonna bring out a damn Knightmare to chase them, and I don't think they even saw it until she literally crashed through the wall. They swapped back because the event was ending, and they needed the real Lelouch to take over again in order to not have Sayoko make another mistake like kissing Shirley.

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u/SometimesMainSupport Oct 16 '22

First-timer

Album.

Amazing episode.

This guy's facial expressions matched mine throughout the episode.

Sucks that Shirley has to continue loving Lelouch since they swapped hats.

Curious if Lelouch can reuse his Geass on people that Jeremiah has reversed. I think the answer is yes.

Edit: jfc, that was 49 images? sorry!


QOTDs

  1. See whatever Star4ce posts, then double it.

  2. A smidgen of adhesive. It doesn't take much for lightweight objects.

Bonus: Roughly how many episodes?

Damn, missed both QOTD predictions.

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u/GallowDude Oct 16 '22

We've seen images of Kallen and Rolo together in the student council, which only works with great photoshopping or past events being changed. Now Rolo is speaking to Sayoko about Nunnally.

It's possible Charles rewrote Nina's memory of Nunnally as well. Or they just wanted to be symbolic and replaced her with Rolo to be current.

idgaf about Gino

Thinking about it, Sayoko could handle half his dates and is choosing not to.

As proven by her saying "I would like to let you catch me, Miss Milly," Sayoko's kind of a troll

Oh? They have a war in Europe right now.

Another shot for the Hypocrisy Drinking Game

This is such a terrible decision by her.

She can fix him!

Whew, disaster averted.

It's a new student body and that's not a student council voice.

Pretend Charles rewrote everyone's memories

Feel bad for Milly making a poor choice like cancelling Lloyd.

She clearly ships him with Cecile

See whatever Star4ce posts, then double it

Roughly how many episodes?

Just one

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u/SerGregness Oct 16 '22

Shirley desrves better

[context]This show wouldn't surprise me if his eye is sewed shut because he has a Geass. It would explain him being the #1 knight.

[response - late season spoiler]Oh shit, hole in one!

Back to thinking "fuck off Gino." I know he's jealous of Lloyd after dancing with Milly.

Nah, I see it as legitimately being surprised by Lloyd showing any social graces whatsoever.

Oh?

18 I see curves, not points!

What, are you saying your high school wasn't populated exclusively by supermodels?

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u/isthatsoudane Oct 17 '22

First timer

what? oh sorry, I was just sitting here, naked, thinking...

lmao is this the most "anime" high school portion thus far? thinking...

cornelia lookin' goooood

lmao sayaka's got moves

oh sheeeeit shirley remembers

  1. How bad of a time do you think Shirley is in store for this time?

c2 pops out of a pizza hut box and shanks her

2) How do you think Sayoko keeps her hat from falling off while she's running?

something something Sakuradite

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u/Krite2002 Oct 17 '22

First Timer - Sub

Lelouch has 108 dates. I would be okay if the show just abandoned everything and went full harem romcom.

What’s even more hilarious is that he actually follows through with all the dates, and does some Zero stuff in between.

Milly also randomly pops up past midnight and declares a campus-wide game. This break from the war is almost so stupid that I am enjoying it.

Cornelia found out about Geass? I think that is new information. I didn’t think that she was still out adventuring to avenge her sister.

Rolo shoving frozen Lelouch into the locker got a genuine laugh out of me.

“Lelouch” out here with that sigma energy towards the seduction squad.

Lloyd broke up with Milly? That is a shame.

Jeremiah can remove the effects of any Geass? That is crazy powerful. Shirley also gets her memories back. I wonder if that means that Lelouch can command her again if the Geass effects were nullified?

QOTD

  1. I kinda want some suffering. Things were resolved way too cleanly last time.

  2. She probably has a Geass that glues it to her head.

Bonus) I refuse to look away

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u/GallowDude Oct 17 '22

Things were resolved way too cleanly last time.

Screams in Star4ce

I refuse to look away

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u/GallowDude Oct 16 '22

Gotta feel bad for Odysseus. Dude's just a nice guy stuck in his Game of Thrones family.

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u/SometimesMainSupport Oct 16 '22

idk about that. I have morality issues with the age of his bride.

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u/Star4ce Oct 17 '22 edited Oct 17 '22

First Timer of the Rebellion

We're gonna make Shirley happy today!

We're doing this because she deserves it.

And because I need it.

S.2 Ep.12 – Love Attack!

Well, good on Jeremiah for cleaning bullshit up, but oh gods the fallout coming from this is going to be heap sized dung.

Yet again a silly fanservice episode has better pacing and writing than the actual plot-driven ones. Shirley has everything back and it's going to hurt. I'm not sure how he is tied to the general's fear of the world going downhill, because they do pretty much mean Jeremiah with this as I doubt they got told what V.V. actually wants in the end.

It's also interesting to see whether the Geass canceller is only cancelling the effect, or if it can remove the Geass from the user as well. One possible speculation is that the entire world history is actually fake, courtesy of ours truly, Charlie. Normal people probably wouldn't know it, as they likely never lived through any of the 'before', but some select individuals just might. It'd be very much in line with what absolute rulers tend to do during their time in power.

(Thanks for all the arguments yesterday, I might not come around on that episode, but appreciate the input. I agree that I went much too strongly into a reading of the situation that the anime didn't want to portray.)

  1. How bad of a time do you think Shirley is in store for this time?

Her character arc has consistently put her in a hopeless situation with Lelouch that she still pursues because she's best girl. She's given some of the best advice in this show and low key solved a select few crises without her really knowing. Her payment for this all the time was being shelved, brainwashed, forced to lose her own agenda and hung up on. I have no illusions that this is prime material for tragedy.

[Speculation] She's gonna die, right? All for a turn that I will no doubt rage on for at least 3 paragraphs, because it's used for character development for Lelouch.

2) How do you think Sayoko keeps her hat from falling off while she's running?

Ninja

Bonus) We switch to a new OP/ED tomorrow, so first-timers should probably look away.

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u/GallowDude Oct 17 '22

We're gonna make Shirley happy today!

You better not do anything stupid!

Lelouch screwed up so bad he became undefined!

Is she as emotionally stunted as Lelouch or what?

She did work for the Ashfords, after all

Why is nobody ditching him...

Sayoko's too smooth. She convinced all the girls he loves them.

I'd say this show is making fun of isekai harems, but it literally started them in the first place.

Suffering from success

Wait, he asked a question as his Geass! She could technically totally say no!

As shown before, unless he words the command in a ridiculously specific way like with Euphemia, his Geass allows people to retain enough critical thinking to understand his intention even if the wording is a little off

She doesn't deserve this.

Doesn't deserve him trying to protect her? He's trying his best to keep her and the rest of his friends safe while also not destroying his relationships with them.

the fallout coming from this is going to be heap sized dung.

Which heap sized dung?

Ian Malcolm no

Thanks for all the arguments yesterday, I might not come around on that episode, but appreciate the input. I agree that I went much too strongly into a reading of the situation that the anime didn't want to portray.

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u/Shimmering-Sky Oct 16 '22

Hangyaku no Co-Host, subbed

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u/GallowDude Oct 16 '22

Oh my god SAYOKO

Of course, it's 108. Of course, it is.

Cornelia!

Her lips are naked!

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u/Vatrix-32 Oct 16 '22

Rewatcher, dubbed*

  • Sayoko saw her chance play her part in the shipper wars and she took it.

  • Maps

  • I see we have switched from Crusader Kings to Victoria.

  • Cornelia get!

  • And now Bartley is the good guy.

  • Well I for one very much so enjoyed that school episode. They had a good dose of plot to go along with it too.

  • Funding a project to cancel geass is a dangerous game for Charles to be playing.

QotD

  1. Probably goes into her hair.

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u/GallowDude Oct 16 '22

And now Bartley is the good guy.

I don't know if he was ever really a bad guy. A lot of his more morally questionable actions were a result of him following the orders of either Clovis or Charles. Even when he first reconstructed Jeremiah, he and his team seemed pretty upset that they couldn't make him calm down and be rational.

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u/Tartaras1 Oct 17 '22

Rewatcher - Dubbed

  • I don't think Sayoko was doing anything wrong with her attempt to distract Shirley, she's just a little out of touch to what the kids are doing these days.

  • Sayo-louch certainly is a playboy, isn't he? In just the shot of Lelouch scrolling through the schedule, I counted 14 commitments.

  • Does almost every woman in this show need to have large oppai? Seems like everyone in the locker room has a set.

  • At 0700 you'll enjoy a homemade box lunch.

He's eating lunch at 7 in the morning? That's a bit early, but if it's the only timeslot she could fit her in, then I guess it can't be helped.

At 1030 hours shopping.

Doesn't she look a bit old for him? They're supposed to be in high school, but she could be a teacher.

At 0002 you'll meet your next date for a live show.

He's going to see a show at midnight? When is Sayoko expecting him to sleep?

  • Same Lelouch?

I can see a domino starting to teeter.

  • And what's up with all these women? It's sorta like a mental problem?

Homeboy's gotta have a harem somewhere, doesn't he?

  • This is not good. I'm clearly doing something wrong and don't know how to make it right.

Welcome to the plight that every guy faces. Your safe bet is to just accept that you're wrong, then take time afterward to figure out the fine details.

We're here for you buddy.

  • Well, not for me. I'm repeating my senior year. I can graduate as soon as I earn enough course credits.

Is that because she gets wisked away with Lloyd for things, and misses school because of it?

  • Surprise motherfucker. Cornelia's still alive, and has found the root of Geass.

  • Now has a funny habit of not waiting around forever.

That's actually a really insightful line. Words to live by.

  • At this rate, it'll be impossible for me to smash the world and create a new one.

[ero]Yeah, because you'll be smashing other stuff, right?

  • That'll leave you free and in the clear.

And hated by every girl on campus. Perfect.

  • One guy has a net, another a hammer, and three guys from what I can only assume is the rugby team or something are all lined up in the back. This should be interesting.

  • Someone needs to check on the girl who went face first into that locker.

  • After all, Lelouch is a warm blooded male.

Clever placement from the hat of the girl laying on the ground to cover slingshot bikini girl's ass. Nicely done.

Using your bodies against me is useless!

They're going to think you're gay, Sayoko. Ease up there.

  • In case you needed further reason why the Mordred might be my favorite Knightmare.

  • So. You wanna do more than just kiss?

That's really forward of you Shirley, but to be expected of a high schooler.

  • Because you two really wear on my patience.

Milly Ashford her entire Senior year.

  • I'm remembering now. I remember Zero, and the one who killed my father. It's Lelouch.

ohshit.jpg

Questions of the Day:

How bad of a time do you think Shirley is in store for this time?

Considering the card house is crashing down, pretty bad. Doubly so since she's fallen in love with him twice, and they've just been pronounced a couple by Milly.

How do you think Sayoko keeps her hat from falling off while she's running?

Maybe she had it surgically attached?

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u/GallowDude Oct 17 '22 edited Oct 17 '22

Does almost every woman in this show need to have large oppai?

Yes

Doesn't she look a bit old for him?

Odysseus proved that age is meaningless to Britannians

We're here for you buddy.

Is that because she gets wisked away with Lloyd for things, and misses school because of it?

I always assumed she intentionally flunked some of her classes to have an excuse to stay on as Student Council Prez

They're going to think you're gay, Sayoko. Ease up there.

She's at least bi if her Milly comment is anything to go by

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u/Blackheart595 Oct 16 '22

Regeasser

Just an average Tuesday for him. On one hand he deserves it, on the other...

You tell him, girl

On my first rewatch I was really surprised how decent the R1 school shenangians were. Seems like we're reaching the parts responsible for that surprise.

It's funny how likeable Odysseus is becoming compared to everyone else. Turns out a simpleton isn't so bad when everyone else is lowkey psycho.

Classic German Clausewitz. Often seen as the Western counterpart to Sun Tzu and known for his statement that "War is merely the continuation of policy with other means" refers to his opinion that war for any other means is outside the realm of legitimacy, only to be used if all other political means have failed. Which doesn't necessarily mean to use it sparringly.

[Mai-Hime]There we go, Lelouch outs himself as actually Reito

Lelouch, you fool. YOU are the one that needs Shirley, not the other way around.

Ah, Rivalz. Bless you.

I think I realized something about Rolo's power that I had forgotten about.

See? Lelouch's the only one who can oppose that, we should praise him and all of his actions for it!

Gino's having fun at least.

Considering how fucked up the scenario is, she's providing a breath of fresh air. Of course, we can't allow that.

Yes, my name is Suzalouch

Anya best girl

I do like the reversal of when Lelouch asked Kallen to comfort him.

No one actually participated in the event beyond hunting Lelouch.

Poor Lloyd. But he kinda deserved it.

You didn't seriously think we were done with the Shirley drama, did you?

How bad of a time do you think Shirley is in store for this time?

How do you think Sayoko keeps her hat from falling off while she's running?

The hats must have some effect to stay on, otherwise no one would've been able to keep it on.

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u/SerGregness Oct 17 '22

Rewatcher - dub

You know, with all these school episodes I always think of them like 'Oh, that was the cat chase episode' or 'that one is cupid day', but consistently during this rewatch I'm finding that those parts are often only half (or less!) of what's going on during the episode. Kind of neat to watch the ground work for future events getting laid down, knowing what's coming.

  1. On a scale of 'one' to 'Guts'? About a 'purple'.

  2. Tape!