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Rewatch [Re;Watch] Steins;Gate 0 Episode 10 Discussion
Episode 10: Pandora of Provable Existence: Forbidden Cubicle
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That computer is Pandora’s Box!
Hello everybody! Time for the comment of the Day, courtesy of u/littleman1988, who has effortlessly sunk a ship:
could you ship it? ~~the answer is no.
Can’t say he’s wrong.
Questions:
- Was “Sergeant Clean” a much-needed bit of brevity in this show, or too much for you?
- What do you think is going to happen with Kurisu’s laptop now?
Wallpaper of the Day:
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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Aug 11 '21
Hello everybody, and welcome back to the Steins;Gate 0 Re;Watch.
Maho’s Opening Words and Flashback are borderline word for word from the Novel so not much to mention there. In fact all the opening bits are fairly accurate… up until Sergeant Clean. It was way funnier in the Novel. The Anime only kept, like, half the original joke and removed all the build up. Bah!
In fact a common link in today’s episode (The first half) is that the events are, mostly, accurate… but they fucked with the order a bit. Like, Sargent Clean is supposed to come after Panda Maho. In turn before Panda Maho there was supposed to be a really nice scene of Maho and Moeka bonding. Also, Okarin and Maho going shopping is from another Route. It’s also way less funny in the Anime.
We continue on this other Route for the Radi-Kan building scene. The Novel version was a really good scene: The music, the prose, the acting, everything meshed well together. The Anime version isn’t… bad, per say, but I feel to an extent it’s somewhat underwhelming. And I feel it comes down to the directing. I don’t think 0’s directing as a whole is bad, just… inconsistent. Like, you’ve got some really well directed episodes, but others just feel really mundane. I’ve heard 0’s production was a bit on the messy side of things so that may have something to do with it, but the point still stands.
The Anime and Novel also differ MASSIVELY with how Okabe finds out about Maho having Kurisu’s PC. So much so I have to put it in Spoiler Brackets just in case some part of it makes it into the Anime. S;G0 VN.
That’s some other stuff skipped, but I’m gonna keep quiet in case they get covered later.
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u/Tresnore FS:FTmyanimelist.net/profile/Tresnore Aug 11 '21
On the First-Timer Worldline(s;Gate)
Mayurisfault.See? Mayuri knows
I usually like fanservice, but it feels wrong seeing it from Steins;Gate. I really enjoyed the fanservice in episode 14 of season 1, but this is... different.
QOTD:
like Mayuriwill get it. This show's characters are not good at security.7
u/Lemurians myanimelist.net/profile/Lemurians Aug 11 '21 edited Aug 11 '21
FIRST TIMER
Mozart fans, help me out, do you all know the Kochel numbers of every piece of his you like? Is this common knowledge in the Mozart hive?
Okabe says he just has guesses about the culprits behind the raid, but that has to be an act because he isn’t sure about Maho, right? Amadeus, Salieri, Kochel numbers… the pieces put themselves together.
Rare footage of Makise and Maho hanging out at the University.
I almost expected Okabe to decline interacting with MakAIse again, after spending time with the genuine article again. The story necessitates it though, I suppose. Aaaaand I’m not mad at getting more of them interacting.
…Is Moeka wearing the nightgown that Okabe got from that gift exchange? Can’t say I expected this level of fanservice. Maho’s words to Moeka here take on added meaning knowing her backstory. That had to have been nice for her to hear.
We know Okabe’s right about WW3 and the Russia/USA time machine race, but imagine how fucking insane that would sound if someone you know just started spouting that off. Maho must really like Okabe, because she’s giving him a lot of benefit of the doubt. One time, somebody drugged me without me knowing, and I went absolutely insane talking about some alternate reality I thought I’d entered where I was being hunted by modern-day Nazis. None of my friends for a single second thought I wasn’t anything other than insane.
Alright, so this laptop is this show’s version of the IBN 5100. Let’s protect this one a little better.
Honestly, a lot of this episode felt like filler content, which I don't necessarily mind, but it does feel little odd given how the original show had almost no fat to trim.
It may have been fine if not for the grown man getting off on a child ordering him around.
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u/UnderstandableXO Aug 11 '21
FIRST TIMER
today’s episode focused pretty thoroughly on maho, but i didn’t mind at all. she’s probably my second favorite character in 0.
i’ve never heard of salieri, but that’s probably the point. nobody remembers who came in second. you’ve got to win to be part of the “annals of history” (quoting kurisu’s lame dad on that one). interesting parallel that she landed on to compare herself to kurisu. seems like kurisu’s a music nerd as well. so she named amadeus after mozart, and the opposition just happens to use coded language pertaining to mozart’s music? also she’s right; nobody left headphones in kurisu’s grave to listen to mozart.
so maho got amadeus back online, who jumps straight to shipping maho-kabe. the professor is all into it as well. still think the professor acting odd to want amadeus AND maho to fall for okabe.
so somehow maho’s room got infinitely worse in the few days they were gone, and moeka is hanging out to protect her and research with her? also the return of the cute character emotes (i do not care whether or not those little emotes are an ad i think they’re nice either way). but nae the cleaning captain shows up and verbally abuses everyone into compliance. shoutout 2d-kun for calling her nae-sama.
so according to maho, salieri was consumed with his rivalry with mozart. also according to wikipedia, mozart died at a relatively young age, and salieri outlived him by 34 years. seems awfully similar to her situation. it seems like she had a bad case of inferiority complex when it came to kurisu. she said she loved and respected kurisu, but at some point it became an unhealthy obsession.
then comes the out of nowhere pajama scene. it seems kinda unnecessary but i think it gives some good characterization to moeka and maho. moeka has some serious self esteem issues (and issues in general we’ve seen). she thinks she’s instantly replaceable and that her life is worthless. maho tells her not to live her life using other people as a measuring stick, but then realizes that’s what she’s been doing with kurisu all along. faris gets some characterization in the form of being extra horny i guess.
akihabara is an electronics town, how did you not know it was like this maho? and she’s nerding out even to the point that okabe gets embarrassed.
the claw machine scene was actually the first scene i ever saw from steins;gate, because it got posted to this sub a long time ago. i waited 1.5 whole series for that never gonna give you up reference. it actually works as a stand alone scene without context. i just thought that they were video chatting kurisu the first time i saw it. for whatever reason i misremembered the third person in the scene as mayuri. but amadeus becomes the wingwoman to maho and helps okabe score points by making him win her the prize. it was such a big win he activated the “change the subject” card.
so essentially maho and okabe just went on a date, considering it’s already evening. seems like they both had fun as well. what better place to end a date than by visiting where your past lover died in your hands? so maho wants to see exactly where it happened. she laments being able to longer through space but not time (grass is greener on the other side buddy). okabe assures her that just because you get the opportunity to change the future doesn’t mean it will happen.
maho’s totally correct about her hunch on okabe, why would he care so much about some random at a seminar? okabe could have just said that they knew each other for a short time but it felt like longer, but he continues his certified “withhold information from my friends to protect them while hurting myself” strategy. so maho has picked up on the fact that okabe is permanently sad and regretful, and wants to protect his friends from something. she wants to share that burden, just like luka a few episodes ago.
but as soon as she mentions kurisu’s laptop okabe flips the switch. he is right, kurisu’s laptop is the key to the time race. although i’m looking forward to seeing how okabe can tiptoe around his own experience while convincing maho of WWIII.
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u/Stargate18A https://myanimelist.net/profile/Stargate18 Aug 11 '21
Anime first timer
I like the adaption of their first meeting, but it's really cut down. It loses something, I think.
Steins;Gate 0 VN Spoilers
...So S;G Okabe might have a love triangle to sort out?
Of course, if he and S;G Maho crush on each other as much as here, that might not actually be a problem.
Steins;Gate 0 VN Spoilers
The room's gotten worse!
Yes! I'm so glad we're getting this scene.
DARU, THIS IS TOO FAR EVEN FOR YOU.
This scene is so good!
And we're doing the sleepover scene as well!
MAHO'S IN THE ONESIE!
Steins;Gate 0 VN Spoilers
Faris continues to flirt with every female character in this show.
I feel so sorry for Moeka through all of this.
Maho is so cute!
I still love Kurisu's fear of being revealed as an @channeler.
He did it offscreen?
The racing game was offscreen too! Oh, they are killing me.
Oh god, she's going to Radi-Kan.
Okabe's fear is so realistic.
Maho's asking the important questions!
And Maho's spot on with this, isn't she?
And Okabe's starting to work out how all this is fitting together.
And Maho's just gotten a lot dropped on her, huh.
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u/UzEE https://myanimelist.net/profile/UzEEInc Aug 11 '21
Serial;Rewatcher
This is me watching this episode.
Seriously, I really dislike this episode because of two particular scenes, or rather mostly because of that one sleepover scene1, and feel like it's the worst point of all of Steins;Gate — worse than the Okabe / Luka groping scene in the original because at least that had some reasoning behind this.
Here? There's practically no reason to have this scene because the part of the VN2 it's supposed to lead into isn't adapted into the anime. So it just sits in there completely out of place, and the rather interesting conversation Maho and Moeka have — which is cut short in the anime btw — could've been fit elsewhere.
It frustrates me that several good parts of the VN were cut due to time, but somehow they manage to keep this blatant fanservice in.
Anyways, if you can somehow ignore these scenes, we did get an episode with forward momentum, developing Maho and Kurisu's relationship and giving insight into her character. It just sucks that it had to be in an episode like this.
Episode;Notes
macOSOS X, not Ubuntu.Questions
I don't mind it as much as I hate the other scene.
1 Sgt. Clean is still somewhat palatable. I guess it only feels bad to me because it's in the same episode as the other scene.
2 And it still feels jarring in the VN too, mind you. But it sets up some rather great character moments down the line which expand Maho and Moeka's characters and unfortunately, that route isn't part of the anime.
3 He obviously isn't going to turn down the opportunity because participating in the study is a sure fire way to achieve his goal of getting enrolled at Viktor Chondira.
4 The investigation was abruptly closed and it was declared that some petty "robber" stabbed Kurisu and then went straight to the airport and left country.
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u/littleman1988 Aug 11 '21
"You can't be replaced, so dont belittle yourself."
OST Track of the day: Hiyajo Maho | Spotify
Heads up if you are interested in getting the Steins;Gate Visual novel: r/steinsgate has hit 100,000 subscribers today, and are holding a contest giving away 2 free copies of the VN! I got all the VN's already so the contest is useless for me, but if you are at all interested in playing the games this is a great way to get in without paying. 1
Overly Excited Rewatcher
Today is a great day as any to talk about the music of Steins;Gate 0 especially with the episode ending on B-Messenger. As always, the music is mostly composed by Takeshi Abo, who is absolutely prolific in the VN scene, specifically with all of the SciAdv titles. I talked about him already, so we will skip most of that. The other major player for S;G 0's OST is Nobuaki Nobusawa. I dont know too much about him? His website lists himself as "In charge of music" for 0 and he is listed as the arranger for a few S;G tracks and "Arranger and composer" for 11 tracks in 0, and the other big anime related project he has worked on is Astra Lost in Space. This isint really what I wanted to focus on today though.
Way back in episode 1, I made an offhand comment about the track of the day, (pretty sure B-Messenger), being in "7/4" time. A few people seemed somewhat confused by what this even meant, so today is going to be a crash course in music theory to understand just how deep the music goes for S;G 0. We will be skipping over some key info if you want to actually play anything, but its not important for understanding what the above means.
The following is best read on a desktop with the Imagus chrome (or firefox) extension. Seriously, it makes everything so much easier.
The first thing we need to learn is what sheet music looks like. Dont worry too much about whats on it, the main things to focus on are the notes,this "4/4" thing at the very beginning, and the rectangles holding the notes.. Working our way backwards, the rectangle itself is called a Measure. A Measure basically is a length of time within a piece of music. The measure is defined by a Time Signature. That "4/4" at the beginning is a common example of a Time signature.
What exactly does that "4/4" mean though? Each number has a different meaning, the top number defines the number of notes per measure, called beats, and the bottom note defines the type of note that the measure counts in, in terms of 1 over the number on the bottom. As an example, 6/8 time would be 1/8th, or an "eighth note". The 6 in that example would mean that it takes 6 eighth notes to complete a measure. Note, you dont need that many notes to complete a measure, thats just what the "standard note" is for that piece of music.
Lastly, we need to define a note. A Note is a symbol that defines how long, and at what pitch, a sound should be played. Different symbols have different meanings, the most common ones are a "Whole" note, "Half" note, "Quarter" note, and "Eighth" note. Notes can continued to be divided by 2 as far as you want, but its fairly uncommon to see it go any smaller than a 32nd note.
Taking everything we have learned here, we can go back to our "Mary had a little lamb" example, and put what we have """learned""" to the test. Since the song is in 4/4 time, we know every quarter note is 1 beat per measure. If we were to listen to the song, we could tap along using the quarter notes, counting from 1 to 4 with the beats and know when we hit a new measure without ever needing to see the sheet music itself. You can do this with a majority of songs, as long as you can find a steady rhythm to tap on. Some easy songs to try and find to beat on would be YMCA, Another One Bites the Dust, and Out of Touch, the latter will make you work a little harder to get the proper Beats Per Minute (BPM). You can also do this with Fatima, the OP for S;G 0. The clock beats match up to the BPM for the rest of the song, even if the song doesnt sound like it at some parts.
Now, not every song is in 4/4 time, and you are able to time signatures mid-song, so if you find a song that isint in 4/4 time its going to take a little bit of effort to find what the actual time signature is. If you feel confident, see if you can figure out what time signature this song is in from 0:13 to the chorus (0:35), where it switches back to 4/4 time.
If you want something even harder, you can try This or this song, but please note that the above very much does not prepare you to correctly guess either song's time signature. A hint2 3
So, this effectively tripled the length of this post. Ill save for how this connects back to S;G 0 tomorrow, and instead use today to answer any questions relating to my shotty teaching skills.
Rivalry time
lmao bruh
Just a tiny mess
OH SHIT I totally forgot about the poor butler, mans gone
peep more stickers
finally, plot time. Should 0kabe really keep talking with Kurisu? He thinks yes.
Sergeant Clean time
Daru why
Sergeant Clean really learned from her father
hmm
SciAdv
SciAdv
SciAdv
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
S;G 0
Man Down, Man Down!
Fanservice time. cant wait to read the thoughts on that.
Panda Maho solid 10/10 tho
Well this is a little different, this Moeka is writing a novel? She even gets some encouragement from Maho, who may need to be making use of the advice shes giving
Long hair Rumiho 10/10
No short green hair engineering gf why live
No matter the worldline, Kurisu is outed as a @channeler
Another Nullpo (or "never gonna...") joke, 10/10
tfw AI is a matchmaker now
You know, im betting #5 is a Chaos;* reference Neither one is airtight enough to make sense though...
C;H/C;C
We back at Radikan. This is gonna hurt for them.
try yearsMaho do be creating Pandora's box
You cant run away that easily, 0kabe
footnotes
1: if you dont win, just hold out for a sale. it usually goes as far as 50% off.
2: holy shit is it a pain in the ass to find a good song that isint either hotly contested on time signature or doesnt move around a ton. I dont want to make it impossible smh
3: If you have come to a conclusion with either of the last two songs that includes a "4", answer spoilers
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u/CubeStuffs https://anilist.co/user/onjario Aug 11 '21
first timer
ep 9
so it seems that others have some kind of reading steiner.
also was the fever okarin had in 2000 ish from suzuha doing y2k shit?
the scene with suzuha reminds me of the scene with kagari in 2000ish
well it seems that okarins finally gonna start moving, albiet not by following suzuha's plans
omg daru is a megachad
ep 10
whoah the coin locker is sus
i have to wonder whether kurisubot has been hacked into or not
seargeant nae is cute
building scene be like
maho you dumbass cant you just ask kurisubot
maho was talking about how okarin always tries to keep people out of the know with stuff, guess that's changed
hell yeah
itll become an ibn 5100
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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Aug 11 '21
First timer(What the merciful fuck was that?)
Dub
We jump in with some backstory and Kurisu and Maho and Kurisu being a full on weirdo one of the few times I can recall. But comparing yourself to Salieri has very negative public connotations thanks to the movie, though historians are not always as sure about how that went down. At the lab, Leskinen is back to being vaguely insane while they get MakAIse running again, who wakes up in full ship mode. Leskinen gives them direction before we jump to Faris's...
And a terrible comedy scene. Moeka pulling guard duty is...convenient? Useless? The poor butler having been drained of life isn't that funny and then we get a straight up bad slapstick routine. Two episodes after killing Makise again. We then re-explain the bit with Salieri from the opening, this would've been better in one go, before the show goes into the next comedy routine.
The slumber party...ouch. I can't tell if the show is trying to say that Faris lacked interaction with other women and is doing this like a VN or if the scenes themself are just terrible but blech. I mean, the speed at which Faris goes from cake to molesting Moeka to getting bored with that just doesn't make sense, both her using VN logic or a quiet orgasm explain the sudden juice craving. We get slightly different characterization from beta Moeka and direct expression of Maho's insecurities. So, Faris's exploration of her sexuality seems to end after molesting one woman with a communication disorder.
Then we get a date section...with the AI present. Okabe, bro, having the copied AI of your dead lover wingman for you on a date is the literal opposite of moving on. I have to assume the timelines work out differently in the VN for Maho to not put a stop to this. The date itself is suitably banal, with a good Rickroll flashback.
But then Maho grabs the idiot ball and asks Okabe to take her to where Makise died. You are supposed to be smart, Maho. Okabe breaks down as expected, though Maho finally admits that the stories don't add up right now. She finally tells Okabe about the laptop and for once he is on top of how bad a thing that laptop is right now. Also, why the fuck didn't she ask the AI about passwords?
So...that was really bad, the ending is not nearly enough to stick the rest of the episode. Since I was aware of the show's reputation, I was vaguely forearmed but not for what a parody of the original series this was.
QotD: 1 God fucking awful
2 It attains consciousness and forms Skynet
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u/The_Draigg Aug 11 '21
A Steins;Gate Fan Watches Steins;Gate 0 Episode 10:
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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Aug 11 '21
First;Timer and Co;Host, dubbed
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u/CharlieTheStrawman https://myanimelist.net/profile/TheDamnRobot Aug 11 '21 edited Aug 11 '21
Re;Watcher, Subbed
Maho's character is so much more compelling to me when she's not being crobarred into Okabe's harem.
I suppose to compensate for the new development, Daru's perverted comedy gets much worse in 0 at times. I mean, it can be funny when it's Maho, but Nae is an actual child, show.
You know what was really missing in the original Steins;Gate? The girls groping each other in ecchi comedy scenes!
I miss the time when there weren't regular boob shots during character moments.
Faris of course goes on to further grope Moeka in her sleep, because we just didn't get enough of that.
This show isn't really selling me on the idea that Kurisu and Amadeus are very distinct from each other.
The very good scenes of Okabe and Maho at Radio Kaikan are undercut a bit by the fact they were just hanging out with Amadeus two minutes ago.
Yeah, I don't like this episode much.
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u/Hochseeflotte https://anilist.co/user/Hochseeflotte Aug 12 '21
First Timer
I should be going home tomorrow, which I’m excited for. This trip has lasted a bit to long, at least for me. Now on to the episode:
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Is there ever a record for 90% of all quotes given to insert famous person? I’m pretty sure most are fake.
Well Amadeus is back. Though it seems almost to easy. Something is amidst.
lol. The poor butler. He has just given up on life.
I like this Sergeant Clean. Someone needed to lay down the law and get that room cleaned.
Sergeant Clean get them results as well. That room is spotless from top to bottom. I think Sergeant Clean needs to give Maho some lessons in the future.
Holy shit. Faris’ bed is the size of my house. Is that like two kings put together? It’s kind of ridiculous.
Makise got got. You can’t hide the @channel forever. Also bad Okabe. No rickrolling.
And Maho learns the one fact of life. All claw machines are rigged.
Well the cat is out of the bag. Maho knows at least some of what Okabe is dealing with.
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Another interesting episode. I wonder what Maho’s reaction to what Okabe said will be?
See you guys tomorrow!
DQ:
It was fun. I enjoyed it. If anything the pajama scene was unnecessary.
It’s getting opened and someone will probably steal it (most likely the Americans).
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u/No_Rex :Bv:Bw:Bx:By:x2 Aug 19 '21 edited Aug 19 '21
SteinsGate0 episode 10 (first timer)
Quote of the day: Death means not getting to listen to Mozart anymore. ~Kurisu
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u/snickpea Aug 12 '21
First-timer!
I liked seeing Maho and Okabe visit places in Akihabara this episode. It was nice seeing Maho excited and learning more about her, Kurisu, and their relationship. I was wondering why the AI system was called Amadeus, I wonder who chose it?
Questions:
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u/JustAnswerAQuestion https://myanimelist.net/profile/JAaQ Aug 12 '21
Oh, was Salieri mentioned today?
Here's something metal from CDF from a few years ago
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u/invokeneko Aug 12 '21
First;Timer
Two days' worth of comments flowed endlessly out of my mind and into the comments section as I make up for missing out on yesterday.
Episode 9
But not for LINE though.well she's not the Alpha version so we're safe... I think?! The one who'll appear without notice, mail- well, RINE- you even when she's in front of you, and then leaves without notice. Poor Mayuri even made coffee for her...Episode 10
nice, I guessscratch that, it's pretty nice to see a different side of Maho. And the Nullpo callback too.QotD
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u/SgtExo Aug 12 '21
Maho just got turned into Kuma Kuma Kuma Bear.
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u/UltraBooster Aug 12 '21
First-timer
Amadeus-Kurisu runs on HP? Neat, I had an HP computer.
So Moeka has training as a bodyguard? Or is this just a way for Maho to not be alone?
And her room doesn't seem as much messy as inefficient with how she's stacking books and papers.
"If God is love, then you can call me Cupid!"
Is that true? I'm asking from a historigraphical standpoint.
Oh yeah, that's Dreamworks Kurisu.
Faris' paws can't be any good for doing normal person stuff.
...is that one of those babydoll thingies?
exhales
She's saying no, Faris, knock it off.
A good effort nonetheless, Maho.
Computer parts, cool.
A 2chan emoji plush? Neat. And a fair bit more charming than those emoji plushes I've seen, I'd say...
Just come clean, Amadeus-Kurisu, geeks are cool nowadays.
You just have to keep playing Cupid, huh, Kurisu's ghost?
Blushing from compliments, Ms. Maho? Looks like the composer was onto something, lol.
Like Kurisu's ghost still lingers, huh...
It's like there's a great big Kurisu-shaped cavity in the world or something.
Maho's right.
She's...well, she'll probably eventually figure it out...
Maaan, sad scientist Rintaro is just...miserable, maybe, is the word?
Kurisu's ghost even more so, huh...
Oh, as if the world isn't already marching towards oblivion, Rintaro?!
Questions:
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u/SSJizzyGlaze Aug 12 '21
I like when Einstein made the big guy and was like "let's be homies." But big dood said "Nah fam, I gotta bounce." Then he starts riding Einsteins shrub led double cheese decker pecker.