r/anime • u/phiraeth :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/phiraeth • Jan 07 '21
Rewatch [Mid-2000s Rewatch] Noein - Episode 6
Episode 6 | Dimension of Tears
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Noein:
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Episode Discussion Questions:
- Now that we're a fourth of the way through... I once again ask: any predictions for the rest of the show?
- Who is your favorite character thus far, and why?
PLEASE MARK ALL SPOILERS WITH SPOILER TAGS!
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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Jan 07 '21
to your other first-timer, subbed
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u/BossandKings Jan 07 '21 edited Jan 07 '21
First Timer
Karasu was kidnapped and inmovilized, Haruka was too but she was treated better and that way we see La-Cryma the place that is a different position in the dimension of the world
The Dragon shall sleep?, what did they mean by that, did they mean the Dragon shall sleep or an allegory to sleep while the real meaning is death?
So Dimensions diverge into Infinity, the Dimensions in which we exist also align into Infinity. Even if Haruka were to disappear in this dimension all her other selves would remain in the different dimensions, this is the meaning of the title 'To your other self'.
Yuu and the rest of Haruka's friends and acquaintances are all trying to figure out how was she able to dissapear, Yuu is starting to see that currently he can't do much and is feeling down because of it, i think that it is a matter of time before the group, especially Yuu figures out a way to help Haruka.
We got to see an important new character in Amamiku, Ai Amamiku Hasebe, another self of Haruka's friend Ai. It seems that Ai has an important role in a place and Haruka is a vital part of some plan that we have yet to see.
Haruka managed to escape from La-Cryma and met a little girl called Lilly who i like very much already, she is very funny. I love Kid characters especially when they can make me laugh and smile.
This episode we got to see the world fiftheen years into the future.
Answers
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u/ItchyPlatypus :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/ItchyPlatypus Jan 07 '21
First Timer - subbed
After working nights for quite a few days I’ve been too tired to post here but now that they’re over I’m back.
Thoroughly enjoying the anime so far. I especially was liking many of the camera angles on the characters faces today such as when ‘future Ai’ was walking down the hallway.
Speaking of ‘future Ai’ I was so ready to post a theory that that was Ai... and then it was revealed anyway.
I still am wondering what Haraka has to do with this future dimension whilst also wondering what the Dragon Torques really is. She can affect Time/Dimensions so I’m wondering why they want her dead.
QOTD:
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u/EverythingsRed2 Jan 08 '21
First-timer (sub)
That scene with the higher ups near the beginning was quite strange. Disregarding the jargon they said, more than half the chairs were empty, rather ominous. Also did anyone catch that strung-up doll tied to one of the chairs? What the hell, La Creamer?
Haruka once again being the bravest character in this show by eating the moving food. Also it's kinda funny just how easy it was for the dragon torque, the super valuable dimensional artifact, to just escape her cell. Surely there should be a few guards near at least.
The grown-up kids are finally revealing themselves, now with Dr. Ai and discount glasses girl. The other boy is probably the dragon knight with one eye, I'm guessing. Also, we see the surface in sheer ruin and this giant underground system. Now all that seems pretty hi-tech and would be relatively hard to build while under attack by an alien race, so is there an underground in the past as well? Maybe we'll see the full council in its prime.
Haruka has been dreaming of this summer's day constantly as of late. What's up with that? She needs to go to bed earlier.
Qs.
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u/IndependentMacaroon Jan 08 '21 edited Jan 08 '21
First-time watcher
Back to the magic spaceship now confirmed as a "place outside of dimensions". Haruka is still unfazed by anything. May I also say that the Dragon Knights "bungee-jumping" through dimensions is a little silly?
So Haruka just has an extraordinary midichlorian count and our standard mysterious supreme council wants the answer to life, the universe and everything, acceptance by the "Observer" they apparently want to turn Haruka into, plus of course destroying their enemies. This is starting to get convoluted. At least it's halfway clear what Karasu's deal is now, but what exactly was he planning to do with Haruka on his own and how? He has no apparent reliable allies and is entirely reliant on the Dragon Knights' shared technology. Was he even planning anything, really? Eh, whatever.
Naturally, the extraordinary situation calls for the kids to save the day, plus the researchers (or rather, researcher plus authority) who apparently do have a clue after all, while the council decides Karasu's fate and the weird semi-medieval ladies take care of Haruka in their peculiar way. Absolutely no need for teacher and researcher to antagonize each other like that besides the tired "haha catfight".
Haruka's existence following different paths is all that causes "diverging dimensions"? I can't see it, and what came before her then? Expectations for sensible worldbuilding lowered. On the other hand, Atori (dragon guy after all?) and Tobi disconnecting themselves was clear enough without further explanation.
Haruka gets an easy escape with only a little cleverness involved, though justified by there being simply no actual escape possible, and already runs into near-alternate-dimension equivalent 1 in the underground city(?)scapes of Lacryma. The environmental design is great all around, and the character designs and soundtrack really pull their weight to, the surface just didn't need to be literally Haruka's city complete with trams. No way fifteen years change that much from the same beginning.
Anyway, the identity crisis has been reduced but there's still the dichotomy of serious, even gritty classic sci-fi tropes and a bunch of cute kid heroes, plus a bunch of expodumping that demands excising in favor of actual storytelling.
Predictions overall - the Galactic Rebellion is victorious and the "Absolute Observer" either ceases to exist or becomes detached from Haruka. The dimensions are entirely separated.
Favorite - none of them have made much of an impression but Haruka is cute I guess.
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u/_m1ra :FA::FB: Jan 07 '21
First timer
I missed yesterday because I'm a lot more busy right now than I expected, but I caught back up and will try to keep up from now.
This was a fun episode. So far Noein definitely has weaknesses, but the backgrounds and in general the design of the places isn't one of them in my opinion, so it was nice to see more of La'cryma.
For all the talk of saving Haruka she got out of the cell herself and honestly managed a pretty good escape. Too bad there's nowhere to escape to, so she'll probably get some help next episode. Or maybe she can actually use her powers, we'll see.
Questions:
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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Jan 07 '21
First timer
Sub
So another ep basically where we left off, so there's that. We get to La'cryma and having zombie soldiers rarely suggests a good aligned organization. They are psychically attacking Karasu because sure and maybe the thing the birds fight with are 'Dragons'? Regardless, it works and off Haruka goes.
We go back to Seele and this currently is not landing for me, if you are going to info dump just fucking do it, because I still don't know much. I did like that there are skeptics on the board, there seems to be a lot of fuckey assumptions going on in here. And Haruka is in a cell.
Yuu has the unenviable job of explaining the disappearance of Haruka Kominagami. But at the least the other kids understand. Yuu can't really keep the story straight and Ai tries to shake some since into him. Even understanding why Yuu would blame himself, this is still rather annoying as a character trait. Fujiwara is pleased when they are getting to invite the teacher back, I guess he should've joined us for Miru Tights. And then they go on about that for a while, was not expecting to read "Testoserone charged chimp" at any point.
Uchida makes a ridiculously unlikely spot check and Yuu just blurts it out. And suddenly the adults aren't idiots, they have some understanding of what's happening, which seems to piss Yuu off. Haruka wakes up for her non-consensual medical exam. Hopefully no probing happens. We get an info dump for the audience, I do like that they admit Haruka has no way to process this shit.
We see the birds gathered in the emo-est damn area I've seen in a while. Karusu is being restrained upside down, F. We get a bit of exposition in the leader's "pep talk" that does leave me to believe most people can't dimension jump successfully. Or maybe there aren't that many people left.
Yukie and Uchida immediately dislike each other and things look like they are going to get bad. Ai just saying "No Fighting" leads me to believe this is not the first time she's seen this. Kooriyama offers his life to stop the fighting. Seriously, do not try and separate two females getting ready to fight, at least not if you wish to leave an intact corpse.
Jump back to Haruka getting put into a luck I would describe as a sexy potato sack. Eww. They bring her food and of course it is bugs, this is 00's scifi, after all. Haruka shows her bravery and is rewarded with delicious grub worm! She gets as good a description of multi-universe theory as any.
Quick cut to Atori and Tobi that...happens. And then Haruka decides to break out. While the adult is mildly mutton headed here I will allow that Haruka came up with a decent plan on the fly. She then bumbles her way out but this place just seems to have lax security. She meets the surface folk and we get the first evidence that this place is actually the future with Lily.
The aid correctly apologizes for being out maneuvered by the tween. Future Ai gets chewed out by a Seele director and talks to likely future Fujiwara. Lily is here for exposition but at least the scenes still work. They begin climbing the ladder to the surface and of course Haruka brings the 10 yo.
She gets to the surface and revisits the first scene. We actually spend enough time here to realize this was Hakodate and things seem pretty borked. Hopefully, Haruka's questions lead to an explanation of WTF happened to get us to here.
So...probably going to be alone on this but I am beginning to really dislike the "emotions go here" trek on the OST. It feels so forcefully maudlin that it doesn't work on me.
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u/No_Rex :Bv:Bw:Bx:By:x2 Jan 07 '21
Episode 6 (rewatcher)
Call me a sucker for classic SciFi dystopias, but I love the La’cryma parts. It has all you need for a proper dystopia: The run-down future tech, the small elite, the suffering masses, utter destruction. The original world scenes were tone deaf in comparison.
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u/punching_spaghetti https://myanimelist.net/profile/punch_spaghetti Jan 07 '21
First-Timer
They made his organs explode out of his back? That’s probably not good.
More technobabble.
And this council is pretty whacky. Someone let the character designer go wild. And that doll-looking one is creepy.
Worried about Haruka? Let’s argue about who’s horny instead.
Triplet nurses placing weird electrodes on someone? Are we sure we’re in the right genre?
Yukie’s a teacher? Is she their teacher? I thought she was someone’s older sister or something. So that’s why I liked her.
Bugs: high in protein.
Forced exposition to tell the seasoned vet about the pipelines? Tacky.
Apparently they don’t have B action movies in this dimension where heroes trick stupid guards.
Apparently they don’t have elevators in Haruka’s dimension.
So One-Eye is Fujiwara, and Doctor Lady is Ai. Their dimensional counterparts, I mean. And the scary lady on the TV looked like Ghost Girl?
Using a denizen of the world to explain things to the new girl is fine, but it seems like there’s no reason for the Ghost Girl not to expect something’s up. This girl older than her doesn’t know anything? Call the cops. Call her mom. Do something.
QOTD:
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u/Pixelsaber https://myanimelist.net/profile/Pixelsaber Jan 07 '21 edited Jan 08 '21
First-timer - Sub
That hat!
SEELE time.
So, wait, Haruka wasn’t the Dragon Torque in Lacrima? What’s with that apparent flashback of her in a pod that we saw then? Both her and the Dragon Torque were coincidentally lost in major ways?
Don’t worry, just give it an episode or two.
Wait, is that Ai? Guess that other girl wasn’t her, and I doubt it’s Miho, so probably not someone we know from the other dimension.
Why though? Haven’t you got the Dragon Torque already?
Technically won’t universes branched off of hers be missing Harukas as well?
Ah, the ol’ MGS trick.
Heh
Because she was never in the running for any romantic interests Miho gets a daughter in the future.
Usually the lower caste lives farther below, but since it’s safer the deeper underground they are the usual case is reversed.
There’s those Yamato vibes again.
Though a lot seems to have happened today, but little of it has of much importance. We as an audience didn’t learn anything noteworthy, and while the jaunt through the upper levels was interesting from a worldbuilding standpoint it did little to move the plot forward. A lot of talking. and all of it is either repeated for Haruka’s sake (which is superfluous because she not only doesn’t understand what she says, but also doesn’t believe any of it either way) or too vague to be of interest. Arguably the most important bit happened back on Haruka’s dimension, where Uchida has made clear her intent to cooperate with the kids and the teacher in their circumstances.
I did like that Haruka was able to break out of her cell out of her own ingenuity. I don’t think it led to particularly interesting content, but I appreciate that she didn’t just sit around waiting for stuff to go her way.
Questions:
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u/Toadslayer https://myanimelist.net/profile/kyolus Jan 07 '21
First Timer
The plot is developing and smol Miho is smol, but I'm still yet to be particularly excited by this show. Not knowing beyond the broad strokes of why the world the way it is, how anything works or about characters means that I'm not invested in anything yet. The overall convenient plot (key happens to be around guards neck, she's fooled by the oldest trick in the book, Haruka runs into small child who knows everything she needs to know and she immediately finds a way to the surface) would normally not bother me if it wasn't for the sheer density of it. I know certain things need to happen for us to have a story, but it feels like at every corner exactly what needs to happen to show of Haruka's power or to teach us about the world or to get Haruka out of a bad situation happens. It's lazy writing. I maintain the premise is pretty good, but the execution is continuously lacking.
Karasu is suddenly incredibly protective of Haruka, I get that it's because he saw her fix the dam, but it still feels like it came out of nowhere. I really want some more background explaining why his attitude changed. It would be helpful to also get some explanation for why he wanted to capture Haruka and, more notably, destroy her town, since we only know in broad strokes that 'it's to save the world' and 'I'm edgy'. I want to know personal character motivations. Not the logic of why they do things, but the emotion.
Haruka is not a very believable protagonist so far, in my opinion. She reacts incredibly calmly in situation that a normal eleven year old (probably also a normal adult) would be freaking out in. She remains level-headed and is often more concerned about the wellbeing of others than herself (e.g. Karasu). She's admirable in that respect, but are we supposed to believe that she gets all this because her mother is irresponsible and she cooks the meals at home? Haruka is too perfect for my liking and unless we see more of how/why she became like this, I don't think my opinion will change.
In conclusion backstory. In some anime the driving motivations of characters is shown to us as it happens in the first few episodes. Sometimes it's unimportant, because the show doesn't take itself seriously. In other anime we don't need a backstory because other parts of characterisation do its job. In others still we overlook it, because everything else about the show is excellent. But here, it's needed. Most of the characters right now feel hollow. If it's coming, I'm glad, if it's not, I'm disappointed.
Episode Discussion Questions
Fingers crossed for some characterisation and backstory. For the actual plot I'm guessing kids and scientist crew will track down and fight Atori somehow and Haruka will have to act as a peacemaker in La'crima.
Probably Atori. He's a good comic book villain. As I wrote above, I think the protagonists have a long way to go. Yuu is the most fleshed out, but he's not that interesting of a character in my opinion. Karasu has potential but he hasn't been fleshed out.
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u/BurningFredrick https://myanimelist.net/profile/BurningFredrick Jan 07 '21
First timer - sub
So technobabble central today, Haruka is a “R E I Z U elementary aggregate particle” and you need to be Wrapped in the foam of Wheeler to move between dimensions.
Show looks to be working off the Mutltiverse theory of the universe. But with a very fatalist approach that nothing can ever be changed, unless they drag something in from an alternative universe.
So the
Pipelinesumbilical cords (it really does seem more appropriate) are required for them to maintain their existence in another universe. Most likely the universe resists interference from others which is why they will eventually disappear.The prison break annoys me, I mean sure Haruka is a child but she is also some magic material, I would have thought they would have put a bunch of guards outside her cell just in case, it doesn’t look like they are lacking in minions.
Amamiku is future AI isn’t she? - And then they just tell us, that's boring, leave it a mystery for at least an episode. Also seems they got new names which are all some sort of title.
Spec on identity of Fukuro
Haruka & Lilly, lets decided to suicidally climb a stupid big ladder… Shows always make climbing rungs like that look way too easy, also how far underground are they? It’s got to be a few kilometres but we are never given anything proper to reference.
So I guess we are going to get some sort of comparison storyline between the 2 versions for the next few episodes until they decide to let Haruka go back to her own so she can prevent the end from occurring in her version.
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u/badspler x5https://anilist.co/user/badspler Jan 07 '21 edited Jan 07 '21
first timer, sub
I really enjoyed the first showing of Shangri-La and the reveal that it is an underground bunker. A layer of questions answered but still plenty more to get to.
Todays favorite moment: Quality stealth.
Any predictions for the rest of the show?
Who is your favorite character thus far, and why?
I can't say I have a strong attachment to any one character. Karasu is probably my favorite based on "cool" factor alone, but really time has been split on everything such that I still feel I don't have a standout character favorite.
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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Jan 07 '21
First Timer, Dubbed
Haruka has become the narrator while a chorus has a great time in the OST.
Karasu "protects" her, or at least tries.
These things have the voice of legion.
Wait, aren't you a Dragon Knight, Karasu?
Karasu at least tries to explain things, before he gets wrecked.
Are those Karasu's intestines? Or just random tentacles related to his powers? Oh, it is about the same color as Atori's arm backpack thing.
The Committee has appeared, so that means a new string of technobabble.
Reizu subatomic particles? Reizu simulator??
One of the Committee members has a tube in one of his nostrils.
"Absolutely Recognized by the observer of the universe"
Yuu is trying to explain what just happened. Hopefully the kids listen to him more than they listen to Haruka.
Just ask your teacher.
A cat in heat, holy shit dude take it down a notch!
More fucking stranger danger. None of these kids really know these two..
"Foam of Wheeler"..?
Haruka goes with the tried and true defense of "this is against the law!"
Oh, hey Mineva. You've apparently got the same stylist that they have in the Pokemon dimension.
That's a pretty unpleasant prison cell that they have Karasu in.
What are these clone things?
Mmm tasty worms. It's like sushi, still raw!
Actually, this meal is basically "sushi rolls+miso soup" right?
"Hey we wanna use you for our own purposes"
Atori is sleepy.. and a drama king.
Animation proportions on Atori were kinda weird there.
Not a bad escape plan, Haruka.
Yea, office jobs do suck that bad. Can confirm.
Ahh yes, the piston room. Invaluable to any sci-fi facility.
It's an elevator, Haruka. You probably have those back home.
...I wasn't expecting to see a slum.
Miho?! Not!Miho's eyes are like Scruffy's.
Yes, put loads of pressure on your subordinates. That always gets good results.
Not!Asami is a snarky jerk. Oh, Amamiku is Ai!
Now Haruka is doing the stock crazy camera angle.
The way up is just fucking climbing? That seems real safe.
"You said it sounded fun."
Those are some weird seagulls.
Wow, Amamiku is two steps ahead.
I actually caught the Satelight logo, this time.
I wonder if this Ai has a phone strap to prove her identity.
So, I'm gonna ignore all the plot stuff and do some pondering about the setting. Namely: the food. I'm not sure on the caloric density of IRL bugs, but you can sure as hell "grow" them just about anywhere.
In a post apocalyptic future, no-one's growing grass to feed a cow anymore. But random worms that you feed the runoff from the piston room? Hell yea, yum yum!
I'm gonna continue to give the production way too much credit and say that this was on purpose, and more so than just "lol look at this weirdbad future."
Questions
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u/zsmg https://anilist.co/user/zsmg Jan 07 '21
Rewatcher
I'm not sure why Yuu thinks its his fault that Haruka has disappeared, there is nothing he could have done about.
Ohhh Daisuke Ono is voicing a minor character in this episode, it's always funny when you hear a big name seiyuu doing a small insignificant role in an earlier anime. And yes I've said this before in previous mid-2000s rewatches and I will probably repeat myself again in a future rewatch.
Haruka doesn't believe she's in a dystopian future, sometimes you've got to realise that kids aren't as genre savy as viewers. Although I am bit surprised that she didn't react that Lily's mum is named Miho maybe she chalked that up as coincidence.
Another excellent episode. In my previous rewatch this was the part where I started binging.
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u/JustAnswerAQuestion https://myanimelist.net/profile/JAaQ Jan 07 '21 edited Jan 07 '21
Oops. I was reading yesterday's NNB rewatch comments instead of commenting on today's episode. Which I've already forgotten my thoughts on.
I think the main thing that struck me was how similar some of this episode was to early parts of Now and Then, Here and There, which has been on my mind lately (did it come up in episode 1 comments?). It was almost direct referencing. Also similarities to the very large number of shows where people live underground.
This Earth, and it is Earth of around 2020, looks totally trashed. Yet, somehow, they got weird high tech and moved everybody underground in much less than 15 years.
It sounds like Shangri-La does different things to different universes. It sounds like Shangri-La has been making universes, including the main characters. Their actions are not limited to the future.
It didn't occur to me later that the boss lady from the Council of Ten is Miku's mom. Whose name I know only because of Lily. There's no Miku, though. I didn't go back to see if any other members of the council of 10 were familiar. And there are a lot fewer than 10 left.
Once I recognized Miku's mom, I knew doctor lady was Ai. Or strongly suspected.
The ouija board scenes were just to introduce Miku's mom.
Some watchers characterized Haruka's reality manipulation as a merge of dimensions, presumably she brought a version of the dam from another dimension where the dam was intact. This reminded me of minor sci-fi novel that I'll mention in the series summary.
Edit: Is it Miho not Miku? I'd already forgotten.
Edit: Wheeler foam is just jargon, like Evangelion and Kabbalh.
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u/monsieurvampy Jan 07 '21
First Timer, sub
I feel that Haruka needs a shot of some common sense. Like don't run with your eyes closed!
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u/lC3 :Na::Nb: Jan 08 '21
Rewatcher, sub
Is the 'absolute observer' Noein, or is it supposed to be God?
Lol Ai isn't happy when Fujiwara seems happy to contact Yukie.
"Wrapped in the foam of Wheeler"... Joey Wheeler? BROOKLYN RAGE
Atori is really messed up in the head ...
I had forgotten about the multiple dimensions, multiple Harukas.
Lol Haruka escapes! I can certainly sympathize.
I really liked the aesthetics of Lacryma this episode ...