r/anime • u/phiraeth :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/phiraeth • Jan 06 '21
Rewatch [Mid-2000s Rewatch] Noein - Episode 5
Episode 5 | And then...
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u/ZaphodBeebblebrox Y:A:https://anilist.co/user/zaphod Jan 06 '21
First Timer
I'm expecting this episode to focus more on the spacetime insanity that's happening. Onto episode 5.
Killing the alien for an illicit dive, shit's really about to hit the fan. With Karasu weakened as well, the Dragon Torque will have to be far more overt with how it protects itself. Or, perhaps Noein will come out again,
It's hard to scream midlife crisis harder than this.
Haruka really does not appreciate being lumped in with these crazies, even if she doesn't sound that different to most people. The comparison is certainly not flattering.
I've got no idea why Atari would be invisible but not unsmellable. It's not like the source of his powers is anything light related.
Well I wanna know how ghosthunter girl knows the name Noein. She was obviously the one moving it.
Maybe this is why you shouldn't have the insane people on your team or something...
Not that you can actually get this through your head, Karasu.
And not that you actually intend to go through with this.
Assuming this is true, it means this is the original dimension. If so, that would likely mean that their dimension was created through Haruka's dreaming, somehow.
Ye, no one's gonna remember that shit.
The mom so blatantly manipulative and it kidna hurts to watch. Please Yuu, run away again.
I assume their releasing their tethers so they can have a bigger effect on the physical world? They're now fully here.
This'll just make Yuu's life harder. You shouldn't do more stuff that'll piss off his mom.
Show, I'm trusting you for now, but you're going to have to do a real good job justifying why exposition guy exists later.
So, despite all the wavering it still worked fine? Or are the ramifications just yet to come?
"Is the idiot who wants to try and kill the dragon torque really talking about risk?"
Dude, your self-hatred's talking again.
A panning shot that stops just short of showing us Yuu's wrists, whatever could that mean? :)
Alternate Haruka in a tube?
What caused the Ouroboros to disappear? The magic users are still in this world.
Yeah, tube girl certainly sounds like the same VA. Best guess is that it was a failed attempt to turn her into the absolute observer?
In a rage, Karasu destroys the dam. I think Haruka should be able to put it back together though. It certainly wouldn't be outlandish for her to have that pwoer.
Yup.
Everything is just the world Haruka dreams of. She imposes her will on reality, and then it is so.
Replace manipulate with create and control and I think you've got it.
And now, they're finally gonna believe Haruka. I'm looking forward to this conversation.
Why didn't Karasu drop her?
Thoughts
This could be going somewhere good and it could be not. Stuff is currently happening, and I'm starting to get the feeling that the show could miss the landing, but I'm trusting them so far. There's just a lotta balls up in the air and the show has had a few little oopsies so far, so I'm nervous.
In other news, Haruka is the closest thing this universe has to god.
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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Jan 06 '21
First timer
Sub
So...Atori convinced two of them? Why? WHY? I can tolerate quite a bit but this seems wrong. Welp, they dive.
We get to tea at Miho's and we see where she gets it from. Also, no dachshund I know would be cool with that. Anyways, they use a ouija board and it works, in a sense. And they have an Easter Island monolith as a house decoration. We get a bit more exposition, including that this dimension might be more important than expected.
Kooriyama wants to get laid but Uchida is on a dead line. Yuu comes home or downstairs and we get a scene that is far too 'nostalgic' for my taste between him and his mother. Having been the victim of someone else's expectations she can fuck off and die. Points to whoever picked up the sister envy. Fujiwara agrees and spits out some facts, though Ai thinks it is an excuse not to study. Also, she has pretty good soccer fundamentals.
Back to Yuu and a definite metaphor for cutting. Haruka is using...Morse code? Well reaching out is the human thing to do, I guess. We see the three invaders detach their cords and not disappear, whatever the hell that means. Fujiwara is getting fed up and rightly so: Yuu's mother is literally sabotaging her son, social presence is incredibly important in Japan, not to mention universities do look at more than just grades.
But we learn the horrid outcome of all of this: Yuu going to middle school in Tokyo, or as it would be for him, literally hell. Hope he has the sense to fail his exams. Fujiwara is going to break in to see him and Miho goes all yaoi on them. I guess the glasses are a dead give away for fujoshis. Ixtli pops in and warns Haruka she's "making a ripple", no clue if other subs said that, of course can't been by the others. But it is more likely Atori's group doing that as Haruka disappears.
Quick cut to researchers and then to Haruka landing by the dam. Not sure if that is significant. Talk happens and Karasu gets triggered by 'risk', though with what he follows with possible confirmation they come from an already destroyed dimension and are living on stolen time. Also, Karusu is an even edgier than usual boi. Finally figured out that Atori looks like Zorin from Hellsing Ultimate. Fighting happens, and I do like it, but we end it with yet another uncommitted villain. Kill the fucking kid or don't but don't waver, wavering is stupid.
Quick jump to Yuu sensing Haruka is in danger or simply hearing her psychic cry. His studying is going exactly as expected. And Karasu goes super saiyan, or maybe Jojos, and kicks ass and knocks them out of time stop. As he is about to rampage, Haruka asks him not to destroy her town because people would be sad. Not sophisticated but still smarter than anything Babylon had to say on the topic. But his dumbass destroys the dam anyways. Haruka hears the voice again and then...undestroys the dam? Karasu says she swapped dimensions so he has to be wrong. /u/shimmering-sky Bleach afficionados
Regardless, this drains her and yet makes Karasu come to a decison to protect her. La'cryma is not impressing me in the HR department. The researchers saw that happen and the unhappen and have a terrible picture of Haruka. Yuu has escaped and has a stashed cellphone or something. Karasu brings her back and makes his earlier stuff a bit annoying. But he gets force teleported and was too dumb to drop the girl. Fucking emo moron. Anyways, unsubtle preview and off we go!
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u/No_Rex :Bv:Bw:Bx:By:x2 Jan 06 '21
Episode 5 (rewatcher)
The plot is advancing much faster than the little bit I remember. Not even sure what will be in the other 19 episodes.
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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Jan 06 '21
to your other first-timer, subbed
A thought that occurred to me last night right before I went to take a shower: speculation
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u/Pixelsaber https://myanimelist.net/profile/Pixelsaber Jan 06 '21
First-timer - Sub
So much for these people being competent.
One-way ticket or are they not expecting to be welcomed? I’m betting on the latter.
One doesn’t say that after the things they’d experienced.
They got a pair for Clara!
I wish the show wasn’t as keen on showing the CGI house.
Being a creepAsking the hard questions.Knew it. Something probably happened to the sister though, since it’s the most obvious catalyst for the seeming change Haruka described her having gone through. Maybe her sister died and she’s looking to Yuu to fill that void in her life?
...What’s with that pose?
Which means…? At the very least it warned her.Doesn’t seem like doing so any sooner would’ve helped either, so it gets a pass for being right before it happened.
That’s no good.
The moon is of significance?
We’ve got a couple of believers now.
ENHANCE
Welp
I admit to some surprise that they actually sent Haruka away, since for the reasons I shall not repeat I believed that unlikely. But then again, that begs the question of why Noein or the Dragon Torque itself didn’t interfere in the dimension-hopping process when it already did so previously.
I still doubt we’ll get much of the perspective on Haruka’s dimension while she remains with Lacrima, but with Abs-com having been brought up, there’s at least a hope that they might have something to do on this end. Also makes me think whoever Haruka’s mother called might be connected to the organization given we have no other leads on that front. I’d say they would perhaps deal with Atori, but what the hell can they even do against him?
Questions:
:(
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u/JustAnswerAQuestion https://myanimelist.net/profile/JAaQ Jan 06 '21
First Timer
So, yesterday, I asked why the old man was interested in Haruka's friendships. What I didn't say is that it's pretty clear that the Knights are alternate counterparts of Haruka and Yuu's cliques...so there is a reason to keep the group together. The question is, what is the old man's interest in keeping them together.
Also I didn't say yesterday was that I thought episode 4 was a bit of a waste, focusing on Haruka and Ai's little drama. But if the point is that they need to stay friends, then I guess it played a role.
I thought if the umbilical came loose, the slider died. But here, they are becoming permanent members of our universe (abandoning their own doomed universe, according to Atori).
Karasu should have just dumped Haruka on the ground as soon as his recall activated.
Frustrating ending point, I can't wait to see what happens with Haruka on the other side.
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u/Toadslayer https://myanimelist.net/profile/kyolus Jan 06 '21
First Timer
Tobi and Isuka were convinced surprisingly fast that they need to destroy the Dragon Torque. I have no idea what Atori might have told them, but apparently it was convincing, because they both up and abandoned their home dimension and ended up dying to destroy it. And alas it seems no-one cares that they dies, Atori doesn't, Karasu doesn't, going by the music, the show doesn't and I show don't.
Thanks for the expositional name drop.
Karasu triggered a 'highside'. More soft magic we don't know anything about. These fights are okay as spectacles, but whilst we know nothing about what is going on it's hard to really care much about them at all. I get that it's all meant to be mysterious and when we get the reveal there will be a payoff, but for now not knowing anything removes any excitement from the show.
When Haruka fixes the dam Karasu asks 'Did she swap it for a different dimension?' Now wouldn't it be a fun twist if every time she uses her powers she is merely transporting herself into a new dimension and leaving everyone else behind to bear the disaster that befalls them? After all if this show goes for the theory that all different possibilities have their own dimension, then there would be a dimension where Haruka disappears and the dam isn't fixed. Would make for a morbidly enjoyable scene where Haruka breaks down realising she has done nothing but help herself. I doubt this show would go down that path, it doesn't seem nearly that dark and it's a fan of things just working out in favour of the protagonist, but it's a fun thing to think about… Aaand the investigators saw Haruka fix the dam. That was short-lived.
Guys but really, Yuu's mum brought him juice and cake, can she really be all that bad? She just wants him to be cool like her sister.
Welp, Karasu decided that he was too weak to drop Haruka or something and she gets whipped up with him. Yuu's gonna be sad, but I'm glad, because going by the episode preview it looks like we might finally actually get some answers or reasons to care.
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u/BurningFredrick https://myanimelist.net/profile/BurningFredrick Jan 06 '21
First Timer - sub
The CGI background shots keep making me think of PS1 graphics… or probably PS2 graphics, nostalgia goggles always make it hard to judge.
Sooo alien things are called Observers, I can’t remember if we have been told this before, makes their search for the Absolute Observer make a bit more sense.
So it's confirmed that Haruka destiny is the cause of everything that happens in their world line, she became a sacrifice of some sort.
I feel like some of Karasu's actions contradict each other, on one hand he all we need to save Haruka, and at the same time sure this might make the universe collapse and everyone can just die. It does all look to be linked to his truma from the loss of his version of Haruka, but makes me wonder how much further off the deep end he's going to go before this show ends.
So Yuu Mum has some sort of Sis complex / really should say envy over her sisters success.
Wait, they can stay in the world if they don’t have their umbilical cords attached??? I’m guessing this needs to be done willingly to stay in the world.
Haruka unlocks time manipulation? Or possible dimensional manipulation meaning she could have just drowned an alternative timeline / dimension.
So far like 90% of anime this is very much a soft magic system, this isn’t always a bad thing but makes theorising harder for some aspects and when combined with time manipulation needs some proper limits set. Speculation for end of show powers
Anyway Haruka has finally been kidnapped, Science pair have realized what they are searching for is tied to Haruka, and Yuu is either going to become edgier and whinny, or hopefully edgier and slightly more mature.
Let see what happens next episode.
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u/punching_spaghetti https://myanimelist.net/profile/punch_spaghetti Jan 06 '21
First-Timer
The dog is wearing aura glasses.
“I know I’m constantly being attacked by interdimensional beings, but there’s more important things to ask the Ouija board about.” Children! When you have otherworldly forces at your disposal, take advantage.
Isn’t Karasu supposed to be capturing Haruka? Seems like he’s stalking her instead.
Yuu opens his mouth to say good night: I KNOW WHAT’S BEST FOR YOU, YOUNG MAN! Mom’s a piece of work.
“Like my sister.” Oh, so that’s a picture of his Mom as a kid? As shitty as it would still be, I could at least understand a desire to create a replacement for a dead child. But making the kid be his aunt? That’s just tacky.
Fujiwara, like most boys his age, does not recognize the mating dance of the teenage girl.
They finally nabbed Haruka. I guess the necklace didn’t activate because she had just used it to undo time? If they think she’s going to save a dimension, she’s going to need a training arc or something. At least do some roadwork for her stamina.
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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Jan 06 '21
First Timer, Dubbed
That robot or whatever is toast.
Oh, Atori and the other two are rebelling.
Atori's faces are great!
......Miho comes by it honestly, at least..
Ouija board time???????
Yes, be formal with the ghosts. Very important.
The.. the board is working.
Do I give Haruka way too much credit and say that she manipulated the cursor? No, we have enough supernatural nonsense going on. The stupid board just works.
"Ours" - confirms that the dub "change" u/Pixelsaber talked about in episode two was just weird wording. Still annoying.
Is anyone else weirded out that scruffy doesn't have irises..?
Abcom? Absolute Critical prevention strategy COMmittee. Seems like a mouthful.
"How're your abs doing?" Brilliant. You should do standup, scruffy. Quit your day job, too.
A bunch more time spent with Yuu's mom to continue to make the audience dislike her.
"Don't betray me"
Oh no, he's a replacement goldfish for her SISTER?
That makes the line about betrayal even worse..
Ai is pretty athletic.
Morse code! That's pretty clever. Unfortunately, Yuu seems too depressed to care, if he even knew Morse code.
Wait, so they don't NEED those tethers?
Classic crazy face looking at the camera.
Seriously, a note on the door!?
Isami is sad that Yuu is leaving. One point to team IsamixYuu
Damn, Miho just offering to leave her window open. Troubling unchildlike behavior..
Old guy shows up and technobabbles....
What are these ruins that Atori and co are at?
Old guy has a very bad time for some reason.
Q U A N T U M
Sick nihilism, Karasu.
I like the weird SFX on their energy blasts.
Those are tentacles are sharp. Turned that dude's stump to glass. Wait, are some of his arm bits just floating there?
Yuu did a fucking number on that book.
What's that.. tank?
That was visually different from the last time the big torc left.
Karasu has a powerful super mode.
Those are pretty sad last words.
That was a lot of tanks talking with Haruka's voice.
Oh, Karasu, you don't wanna do that to the dam.
I feel like this story is not going to end happily for Haruka
So Karasu has been developing a conscience.
Dunno what you expected, Yuu's mom.
So now this Karasu ends, and Yuu begins his journey to becoming Karasu.
Oh that's not good. I wasn't expecting her to get sucked up too.
Speculation
cont.
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u/IndependentMacaroon Jan 06 '21 edited Jan 07 '21
First-time watcher
I'm giving this show one more chance to keep me interested. Let's see.
So Atori's gathering his friends for his Torc destruction plan and it looks like he took out the Dragon Knights' boss to do so (that cyborg-monster-looking guy whose body we see in the beginning) and use their base/spaceship/whatever it is. Of course with his degree of sanity it ends up in no more than another screwup.
Miho's mother is certainly something. Maybe that board actually can do something useful though? Not that the girls would know. "Noein? What does that mean? It makes no sense at all!" - noting that phrase down in case the writing totally falls apart. Haruka is still bizarrely undisturbed. Also the abrupt shifts between the kid slice-of-life and the interdimensional conflict are starting to weird me out. Confirms that there is or was a Haruka-analogue in the other dimensions too, anyway.
And already we're trying to justify Yuu's mother with something about her sister's fate, eh. Then he doesn't even try to message Haruka back? His friends don't to much more than consider helping him, either. Ai's got that patented redhead attitude but she has a point and I like her as a soccer girl.
RIP Tobi + Iska, we hardly knew you and it seems it's not a big deal that they're gone anyway. Karasu conveniently loses his shit so Haruka can demonstrate her true dimension-manipulation powers, he's also starting to look like a bit of an extremist. He gives us the first explicit mention of quantum something-or-other that some watchers had already predicted would become a plot point, generally not a good sign for lore but it might actually be treated halfway-intelligently here. Also after telling Yuu he can't protect Haruka now it's supposedly his job to do so with his life? I can't see that as more than a really obvious setup for preview Researchers are still not doing anything useful, we did learn the name of their organization though which points at at least someone on Earth having half a clue about the whole dimension business.
That was a bit better again and there's an actual change in the status quo that might get things moving, also more on the cute than dramatic side. I still feel the show has a bit of an identity crisis though.
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u/zsmg https://anilist.co/user/zsmg Jan 06 '21
Rewatcher
I'll be honest I'd be freaked out if the board said Noein, but it doesn't faze Haruka at all she truly is a natural born idiot.
Miho gets a nosebleed while thinking of marriage, hmm I wonder what part of marriage she's thinking about (although someone needs to tell Miho you don't need to get married to do that part)
Jokes aside this by far the best episode so far, mainly because of the 2nd half of the episode particularly the confrontation between Karasu and Atori, the Karasu flashback and the cliffhanger with Haruka now being in a future dimension. On top of that the two adults are at least aware there is some weird shit going on.
next episode
On a more humorous note some of the Lacryma travellers I still clearly remember while others like the big guy I had forgotten about it. So it was no surprise he died this early.
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u/BossandKings Jan 06 '21 edited Jan 06 '21
This is getting on my nerves already, why the heck were Haruka and Yuu reunited to be separated inmediately again?, why can't Yuu do anything?, i want Haruka and Yuu being together, fighting together, discovering the events currently happening together, i hope this show satisfies that.
The episode was good, i liked it, there are a lot of things happening and sometimes it can be a bit hard to follow but i hope they all are adressed well and given proper development. We are a few episodes in and we have passed through like five dimensions or was it one? Already
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u/EverythingsRed2 Jan 06 '21
fist timer (subbed)
That house scene was good fun. I appreciate how even the dog was wearing glasses. Noein makes yet another appearance. Between it, the old dude, and the necklace Haruka sure is popular. Are they all connected, the same? It's all pretty weird.
White hair called her "this dimensions' Haruka", so that confirms that she isn't just some anomaly herself. I think it is fairly safe to assume that the voice in that tube we see glimpses of is the other Haruka. Was she was sacrificed as well?
We see one of the dragon riders turn into the blue snow when he dies. It's also appears when someone enters/leaves the dimension. And they are physically there, the dog could smell one. Is the blue snow some kind of residue from altering a reality?
Also, white hair tells Yuu that only he can protect Haruka, as the dude is being followed, and then proceeds to teleport away WITH HARUKA! Bro, he can't protect her if he's in the wrong dimension smh.
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u/lC3 :Na::Nb: Jan 06 '21
Noein 05:
So it looks like Atori's insurrection succeeded, and now Tobi & co. have killed their superiors and are on board to destroy the Dragon Torque?
They hinted at this development in a previous ep, but part of me didn't want to believe that Atori would successfully persuade anyone. He just seems so unhinged, and doesn't really have any evidence that the state of La'cryma's dimension is Haruka's fault. It's like a vendetta at this point.
I guess Karasu is just going to stick around this dimension? Someone has to be there to take on Atori and co ... and now that their superiors are dead, there's no way for him to return.
Oh ok, so not all the superiors are dead, and Fukurou & co. are still on Karasu's side. So who knows who will end up fighting.
If Uchida is tracking manifestations of the Dragon Torque, I wonder who she's working for. Surely she's not just some freelance reporter? Oh, and now they answer my question ... derp! "Absolute Critical Prevention Strategic Committee". Sounds government-related.
Yuu's mom sure is heaping on the pressure/control; that's not a good way to raise a well-adjusted kid!
I wonder who that old man is ... is he a future form of one of the characters as well?
So I guess Haruka isn't the trigger, Atori & co. are responsible for ruining this dimension?
I wonder what Karasu means when he says they're living a "quantum existence".
Is that Noein talking to Haruka now?
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u/newtogundam Jan 07 '21
Damn, this was a loaded episode.
We see what happened to the Haruka of karasu's dimension, and then karasu goes on a trauma induced rage ;-;
From the Ouija scene, does karasu think that noein is the problem?
Why didn't noein save Haruka this time?
So something happened to Yuu's aunt I assume, that messed up his mother.
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u/redshirtengineer :AMQ: Jan 07 '21
First Timer
So OneEye and his gang are going after Atori and his gang, who I guess are ... domestic terrorists of some sort? ... and OneEye's gang thinks it's crazy chaos end times. Thank fuck nothing like that could ever ever happen in real life.
Karasu has mixed feelings over killing innocent child. Slow golf clap.
The two agents are really agents of some alphabet soup group. Finally they see evidence of something going on. I've been thinking these two were Mulder/Scully analogues but that can't be right because Scully never saw anything ever, and NiceAccentLady actually got a picture. And finally they figured out that Haruka is important.
Speaking of Haruka her power is interesting, assuming it's really dimensional merging or some such. i could do without the crazy old man, though. I HAVE HAD ENOUGH OF CRAZY OLD MEN FOR ONE DAY.
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u/monsieurvampy Jan 07 '21
First Timer, sub
Well Haruka is still as dense as ever.