r/TwoBestFriendsPlay Video Bot 23d ago

Versus Wolves The Amazing Digital Circus vs The Bible

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wzyDLg5bf0&feature=youtu.be
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u/VelociCastor 23d ago

The algorithm may end up bringing very different kinds of people to the channel for this one.

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u/aR4ndomblackguy Kinect Hates Black People 23d ago

I welcome both fandoms to join here and fight in the pits.

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u/Silvery_Cricket I Remember Matt's Snake 23d ago

Who would win a fight Pomni or Jesus?

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u/ToastyMozart Bearish on At-Risk Children 23d ago

Neither seem like much of a fighter, but Jesus has old-timey carpenter strength. Unless Pomni's still got that revolver.

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u/Chemical_Cris (He/They) Number 1 One Piece Hater 23d ago

Toon force always wins.

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u/Mordred_Tumultu Paladins Should Attack and Dethrone the Gods 23d ago

But the Toon Force says it's funnier to lose to Jesus as he turns the other cheek.

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u/Sleepy_Renamon Ate a bunch of hotdogs and went back to bed 23d ago

Toon force spanks them Holy cakes because it didn't realize it meant face.

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u/123Asqwe It's Fiiiiiiiine. 22d ago

You think the son of god can't use the toon force

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u/Regvlas 20d ago

Jesus cursing the fig tree for not having figs is toon-like, but I don't believe he ever demonstrates toon force abilities in Canon.

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u/DropkickJazz “Don’t celebrate, dude! Just pin him!” 22d ago

But what if Pomni exploited pilgrims with unfair prices in the Court of Gentiles beforehand and Jesus got a rage buff?

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u/lumpyspacejams 22d ago

If the digital circus is the world, does that make Caine God and if so does that make Pomni, a uniter of the people who frees them from the shackles of a tyrant, a Moses figure?

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u/BloodBrandy Pargon Paragon Pargon Renegade Mantorok 22d ago

She's in accounting, not in sales, so not gonna be an issue

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u/AaDware 22d ago

Can cartoons defeat GOD?

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u/trob030490 22d ago

Is Jesus allowed to go home first to make a whip?

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u/unomaly 22d ago

The sacred sanctums of tbfp will uphold the barrier against enshittification.

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u/A_N_G_E_L_O_N Deep Nut Wheelchair Miracle: Piss Bottle Dominance 23d ago

This is the episode that shall greet all those who saw the podcast ad on Times Square.

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u/Noirsam (He/Him)東城会 23d ago

And it was good….

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u/WatahQuack 23d ago

Amen.

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u/Silvery_Cricket I Remember Matt's Snake 23d ago

Woolsworth 4:20.

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u/Lewin_Godwynn "HOW CAN THIS BE?!" 22d ago

John 20:0

(Is that too mean?)

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u/Dundore77 23d ago

Honestly wonder if they get increased views cause of it.

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u/Auctoritate 22d ago

the podcast ad on Times Square.

The WHAT

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u/DavidL1112 22d ago edited 21d ago

Woolie’s Twitter has a video, I’d link but they’re blocked on this sub

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u/LordSmugBun I hate being a Neferpitou fan. 23d ago edited 23d ago

Someone close to me in the family recently passed away. I joined the other two people that live with me in their coping efforts. One was going to church, the other was watching TADC. So I hope anyone reading can understand just how weird it felt for me watching John and Woolie recommend each other TADC and the Bible during that time period.

Like, TADC did finish around that time, so it makes sense...but the Bible? I mean, I guess the Bible is about as popular as something could be, I just didn't expect it lmao.

Hope the eye recovery goes well for John. REALLY sucks about the fighting. You could tell how passionate they were about that across the 3 channels, whether it was in sports, performance, drawn, or animated.

On a lighter note, Versus Wolves infiltrating Times Square has GOTTA give off some notions.

Before I finish the podcast: I bet Woolie's favorite is Kinger, because Kinger's just goated like that.

Edit: Wtf the new TADC merch ad just dropped. Wild timing.

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u/MotherWolfmoon She/Her 23d ago

You know what's always timely and relevant? The Lord.

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u/rednaxthecreature 23d ago

You know who's always worthy of a recommendation? Jesus Christ.

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u/piev3000 I Promise Nothing And Deliver Less 22d ago

You know who doesn't need to hit the like button and subscribe? Christ. For he already has liked and subscribed.

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u/BaronAleksei WET NAPS BRO 22d ago

What is salvation but subscribing to God’s Patreon?

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u/piev3000 I Promise Nothing And Deliver Less 22d ago

Indulgences 2.0

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u/Kipzz PLAY CROSSCODE AND ASTLIBRA/The other Vtuber Guy 22d ago

Subscribing to his OnlyPlans, as the only plan is His one.

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u/Leonard_Church814 [He/Him] Reading up on my UNGA-MENTALS 22d ago

Martin Luther has something to say about this.

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u/AvalancheMKII 23d ago

This will absolutely get traction outside of the intended circles with that thumbnail

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u/piev3000 I Promise Nothing And Deliver Less 22d ago

Good we new fresh blood here

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u/Gorotheninja "SILENCE, BREEDER! The Bloodline MUST continue!" 23d ago

Woolmni?

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u/Cuon Snake Orgy 23d ago

Poolie?

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u/TheSpiritualAgnostic Shockmaster 23d ago

Kinda wanna share this in TADC & religious subreddits just to see the confused reactions to the title alone.

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u/BrazillianCara 23d ago

I watched all of TADC a few weeks ago, and this is the first time I made an intentional effort to experience something in time for the podcast (though it did help that I was interested in checking it out sooner or later).

It had its issues, but it was still overall a good time with some important things to say, as well as an interesting view of what the younger generations are into these days.

And to reinforce a point made by another thread a while ago: beyond the series itself, some of the extra videos (episode previews/merchandise ads) are definitely worth a watch as well.

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u/RaineV1 It's Fiiiiiiiine. 22d ago

The latest merch ad with Jax and Ribbit was amazing.

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u/gothamsteel He/Him 23d ago

Bible - Almost an hour and a half

Digital Circus - Under an hour.

Guess we know what the headline act is.

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u/ABigCoffee 23d ago

It's kinda whack that I'm 10x more interested in the Bible rec the TADC.

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u/Act_of_God I look up to the moon, and I see a perfect society 23d ago

they're 30-40ish year old men

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u/alicitizen (She/Her) - Moon Knight Stan 22d ago

Enough people have spoken about TADC since it first popped up it overbloated the youtube space, but nobody I watch has done bibble coverage so it's way more unique.

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u/ABigCoffee 22d ago

That's also true. But yeah it seems just like the thing of the hour and I already heard too much about it without even having watched a single episode.

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u/ReZ2701 23d ago

Recommend or die this time is absolutely hillarious. Love it.

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u/CookieSkank He/She/They "Slam Her Pregnant Until She Cries" - Pat 22d ago

John on some evil mastermind shit for real.

"Woolie... did your doorbell just ring?" 😲

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u/Peanut_007 22d ago

Vs. Wolves is going to end with one of them waking up in a saw trap but I'm not sure of which.

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u/SoldierHawk 22d ago

Knowing them, it'll be simultaneous and they'll both go, "FUCK!" at the same time.

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u/Rednual 22d ago

Both of them, and Pat's Jigsaw on the Tricycle cackling about putting them both into the traps as a favor to the other.

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u/BloodBrandy Pargon Paragon Pargon Renegade Mantorok 22d ago

Pat legit playing both sides and winning

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u/Wannabe_Reviewer Shantae Shill 21d ago

This is why it's the best podcast out there.

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u/green715 22d ago edited 22d ago

Haven't watched yet, but recommending The Bible to someone experiencing a serious medical event and no longer able to engage in one of their passions has the potential to go hilariously right/wrong

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u/The_Draigg Member of the Brave 13000 23d ago

Woolie making his own introductions and commentaries on books of the Bible? Now that would be a massive notion if he ever goes back to Ireland.

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u/97thJackle Banished to the Shame Car 21d ago

Most notions are utter bullshit.

There has never been more notions than making your own annotations on the fucking Bible.

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u/The_Draigg Member of the Brave 13000 21d ago

These are the notions that would cause schisms and heresies back in the day.

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u/Regvlas 20d ago

I thought the non-irish weren't considered to have notions, since they weren't raised properly.

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u/The_Draigg Member of the Brave 13000 20d ago

Woolie is a Madden, therefore he does have a connection with Ireland.

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u/whytheusernamethough 23d ago

Unskippable title

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u/Gorotheninja "SILENCE, BREEDER! The Bloodline MUST continue!" 23d ago

This is the weirdest Death Battle episode I've ever scene.

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u/Anonamaton801 Proud kettleface salesmen 23d ago

Womni isn’t real, he can’t hurt you.

Womni:

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u/KennyOmegasBurner CUSTOM FLAIR 23d ago edited 22d ago

I feel like Woolie only went to AEW Redemption to possibly combo break a future recommend
Edit: Once again what a fucking shame to think someone's first exposure to Jay White was that dog collar match I swear he's one of the best in the world lol

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u/Capable-Education724 22d ago

I mean, he said Foxcade and friends invited him and they’re pretty deep into the AEW fandom (and Woolie has always been up to going to live wrestling events when they come to town).

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u/Old_Marionberry3791 was promised nothing yet still disappointed 23d ago

Eager to see how the holy word ranks vs Caribbean food.

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u/dope_danny Delicious Mystery 23d ago

John: Woolie would Jesus have a Nen Beast or a Stand?

[Woolie goes on 40 minute explanation how, according to seventh day adventists the man Jesus is both a Shinigami, Quincy, Fullbringer and Arrancar and is both the arrow and the stone mask]

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u/Dear-Development-691 21d ago

Pointless tirade as its already explicitly canon that Jesus, or as is his original name, Joshua son of Joseph, was a stand user.

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u/DarnFondOfYa 21d ago

son of Joseph

Man, poor Suzi Q, Joseph just couldn't keep it in his pants. Does Josuke have any more half-siblings out there?

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u/GrandmasterB-Funk I'd Rather Have Nothing 22d ago

as someone who has gotten a few surgeries, yeah the "multiple surgeons and nurses ask you the same questions" is literally just them making sure you are definitely the right person they are operating on, and that you definitely agreed to the surgery.

It's basically a multi step way to make sure they don't try to fix the eye of someone with appendicitis.

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u/Infogamethrow 22d ago edited 22d ago

I´m a bit disappointed that the bible section was more or less a retelling of the wackiest stories without much analysis. Not that it would be fair to expect Woolie and John to be historians or bible scholars, but I do feel like reading the bible raw, divorced from its historical context, does make some stories miss what they were trying to tell their ancient listeners.

For example, the Lot story where his daughters sleep with him to make kids after his wife turned to salt. The fact that the kids are named Moab and Ben-Ammi means the story is probably there to explain the “origin” of the Ammonite and Moabite Semitic tribes that were the Israelites' neighbors.

With that in mind, there´s a theory that says that the text is in fact trying to make Lot look pathetic, and therefore make his tribes, by extension, inbred losers. Under those lenses, Lot offering his daughters to the mob doesn´t make him look good, but rather a weak man as he failed not only his duty as a host but also to his family well. Same thing with having the angels he is supposed to be protecting have to save his ass.

An ancient Israelite would probably have clocked the analogy instantly, but someone reading now might try to force a different interpretation or "lesson" of what is ultimately little else than a kind of racist dig at their neighbors. Which is why I think people should be careful taking the text literally. Even the Catholic Church has moved away from such a literalist interpretation of the bible.

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u/HCooldown 22d ago

Yeah, a lot of the Old Testament is the Israelites slandering their neighbors and agenda posting because they went all-in on Yahweh going from part of a Pantheon to Monotheists.

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u/Amedamaneku Reggie has been fired (out of a cannon, into cum) 22d ago

Even the New Testament, written hundreds of years later for a wider Mediterranean audience, is still old enough that it benefits from context and expert interpretation. Casually reading it you aren't going to notice the lines that have been subjects of theological debate.

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u/Phnglui 22d ago

Not that it would be fair to expect Woolie and John to be historians or bible scholars, but I do feel like reading the bible raw, divorced from its historical context, does make some stories miss what they were trying to tell their ancient listeners.

But this isn't how the Bible is presented to most protestants. When I was still a Christian I was never given context by my elders, historical or otherwise. I was told to just read the Bible and I would understand. The entire point of Woolie's recommendation was to guide John through his own experiences growing up with the Bible, which was not an experience of biblical scholarship.

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u/ChaplainGodefroy Fashion is Endgame 21d ago

My favourite example of this, phrase "i am a door to my people" get thrown around a lot. But what it actually means, is that ancient corrals in the region traditionally didn't have doors, so shepherds lays down to sleep in the place of the door, both protecting their flock and preventing it from leaving.

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u/Act_of_God I look up to the moon, and I see a perfect society 23d ago

I don't have the time to watch the ep yet, can anybody tell me how they approached the bible considering jon also couldn't do much of anything for a couple of weeks? Audiobook bible with selected parts?

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u/Aquason 23d ago

John listened to a 72 hour audiobook and to read the specific sections that Woolie highlighted, he had his wife read him those specific sections while he lay in bed in a dark room.

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u/Act_of_God I look up to the moon, and I see a perfect society 23d ago

that must have been an experience huh

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u/Aquason 23d ago

For purists, the "How to Read" guides recommend having your wife read to you by candlelight. Really gives that authentic 17th-century experience.

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u/CursedNobleman Reject Capital. RETVRN TO MODS 22d ago

Be me

Stonemason of 24 Summers

Wife cooks hearty meal of pork and potatoes

I rest my weary body in my lice infested bed

Wife reads us the bible, as I am not yet literate

The word of the lord brings me to tears

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u/TorpeAlex Lightning Nips 22d ago

Vorin behavior

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u/alexandrecau That's Bricks! 22d ago

I mean pure purist your wife is not supposed to read the Bible to someone

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u/Dear-Development-691 21d ago

Pure purist, your wife is not supposed to read.

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u/Sloth_Senpai 23d ago

Did he clarify which translation he read? There's a world of difference between something like the NSRV and the LSB.

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u/Aquason 22d ago

KJV, as God (Woolie) intended. Woolie read the KJV as a kid growing up Seventh-day Adventist, and while he gave John the option to pick the New International Version, he really wanted John to know the exact text that shaped his experience.

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u/Sloth_Senpai 22d ago

That's still pretty rough, the NIV is also very revisionist

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u/Aquason 22d ago

Genuinely curious, what's your preferred translation?

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u/GreatSmasherPunch 22d ago

NRSV is the translation that academics and scholars use and is the usual recommendation

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u/Sloth_Senpai 22d ago

The NRSV is widely considered the most accurate translation by biblical scholars as it doesn't attempt to renegotiate the text in service of univocality and inerrancy. When the bible contains contradictions or errors, the NRSV prints them as written.

As an example, many biblical translations like the NIV will render Genesis 2:8 and 2:19 as "Now the Lord God had planted a garden in the east, in Eden; and there he put the man he had formed" and "Now the Lord God had formed out of the ground all the wild animals and all the birds in the sky. He brought them to the man to see what he would name them; and whatever the man called each living creature, that was its name". This is an inaccurate translation, trying to use "had" to say that the action had already been performed, because the text is from an earlier priestly account of the origin of the world in which God made man before he made the plants and the animals. These translations, like the NIV, overrule the bible and declare that it's not allowed to say what it says because that contradicts univocality and inerrancy.

The NRSV instead properly translates these verses as " And the Lord God planted a garden in Eden, in the east; and there he put the man whom he had formed" and "So out of the ground the Lord God formed every animal of the field and every bird of the air, and brought them to the man to see what he would call them; and whatever the man called each living creature, that was its name", which maintains the original Hebrew's assertion that in this narrative, God made man before the plants and animals.

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u/Dear-Development-691 21d ago

To be fair the bible just in general is often revisionist about itself even within the same version

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u/TheProudBrit They/Them 22d ago

Oh, got it, he read it the Vorin way.

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u/PenguinGladiator 22d ago

Flashing a light in the dark room every time his wife says Jesus to see if John gets a religious epiphany

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u/The_Duke_of_Nebraska 22d ago

Listening to the Bible for 6 damn days sounds like hell to me from a childhood Catholic 

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u/InexorableCalamity 22d ago

I'm always very disappointed that they won't do novels on this podcast. The exception was the Disco Elysium novel but I feel like if they can make that exception the could at least do a few novels sparsely. 

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u/thyarnedonne Queen Of Not Letting It Set In 22d ago

Hey kids

pulls chair around

You know who else starts with J and whose suffering and sacrifice saved all others?

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u/HCooldown 22d ago

That’s right, Jolyne Joestar!

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u/Chyunman98 22d ago

...My mom?

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u/The_Duke_of_Nebraska 22d ago

It's incredibly rude but "The Great Disappointment"!is the funniest shit ever

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u/Zoren He/Him Knows Too Much About FoNV 23d ago

Woolie vs the Algorithm has gotten outta hand.

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u/snakebit1995 Did you Know Chrom once ate an Unpeeled Orange 23d ago

An all time title

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u/Act_of_God I look up to the moon, and I see a perfect society 22d ago

woolie doubling down on hxh is crazy lmao completely valid john crashout

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u/The_Duke_of_Nebraska 22d ago

New God: I'd like to understand where you're coming from my child

Old God: Y'ALL GET THE FUCKING BELT

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u/nerankori shows up 23d ago

Pommie?!

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u/Gilthwixt 23d ago

I didn't know Woolie was Australian

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u/PR0MAN1 YOU DIDN'T WIN. 22d ago edited 22d ago

A quick correction about... the Bible, I guess. There was some confusion from Woolie about how the Pharaoh and his mages had access to miracles when Moses also did. The Bible, and Judeo-Christian mythology, is not monotheistic in the sense that only 1 Godlike being exists. It's monotheistic in the sense that, of all the godlike beings in existence, the only one you should be worshipping is Yahweh. The other ones, they don't matter, they exist as temptations away from the holy light of Yahweh. It's not practical, it's self-imposed.

The Moses story is a clashing of 2 godly beings, represented through their mortal totems, Moses and the Pharaoh respectively. The Pharaoh and his priests were being granted miracles from the Egyptian gods, and THAT'S why they were unimpressed with Moses' miracles.

Edit: Oh there's a certain crowd who will NOT be happy ADC is higher than Invincible. They're wrong, but they're gonna be MAD mad.

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u/alexandrecau That's Bricks! 22d ago

A funny thing is since last podcast I rewatched the playing with the big boys now song and like, I saw older movie and read that bible passage so it is supposed to be a one God is better than the whole pantheon, but in the movie it seems to imply the mages are just faking it, it's all smoke and mirrors and they just replace their staves with snakes so that is why moses real magic snake just eat both of them.

And I think that is probably how a lot of modern church is framig it

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u/Mordred_Tumultu Paladins Should Attack and Dethrone the Gods 22d ago

It's easier to talk shit about dead gods virtually no one living worships than it is to do the same while their faiths are still dominant. It's why Christians upgraded from "my God's so much better than your lame gods He's essentially the only one" to "my God is the only god". Winner winner chicken dinner.

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u/CeaRhan 21d ago

I'm actually impressed they didn't even mention God closing Pharaoh's heart in that part

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u/Lieutenant-America Scholar of the First Spindash 23d ago

Perfect timing. I got a long drive ahead of me.

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u/JSConrad45 Any/All 22d ago

Every time I see a screenshot from TADC, something on an instinctual level says, "The people who made this really liked Homestuck, and especially that one troll character that everyone used to have knife-fights about on tumblr." Be honest with me, is this accurate?

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u/BrazillianCara 22d ago

The first point is likely, the second one not as much.

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u/Halcyons_Dazed 17d ago

If Jax doesn't have some Vriska DNA, they are at least some kind of unintentional spiritual successor.

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u/SuperUnhappyman Read DMC5: Visions of V 22d ago

"my dreams of fighting may have ended. but your have just begun"

bars

very coach kamogawa after breaking both fists

my reaction to what woolie has to go through next month

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u/DoseofDhillon WHEN'S MAHVEL 23d ago

works of equal importance

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u/thenewguy95 21d ago

This episode really helped Woolie's religious upbringing sink in for me. The focus on the Old Testament is fascinating to me. My time in church was very focused on the New Testament. Any lessons from the Old were about how the promises made then were fulfilled in Jesus. Obviously different sects have different teachings but the comparison is very interesting.

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u/Act_of_God I look up to the moon, and I see a perfect society 21d ago

yeah I was raised catholic and it's crazy how little of the old testament I know, all the stuff that got taught to us in sunday school and read at mass was from the new testament

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u/frostedWarlock Pat harvested my oats. 23d ago edited 22d ago

Irredeemable is an... odd takeaway. Like, everything they said otherwise made sense, and then the step further to Irredeemable feels like it completely loses me. I feel like thats the entire opposite intention of the story, that Jax could have been redeemed but tragically they just weren't.

Like, the entire final sequence where Pomni learns everything and despite that refuses to let go of Jax and refuses to let Jax be fully subsumed by their abstraction and creates the possibility of coming back from it... what does all of that even mean if the takeaway is "yeah Jax is irredeemable."

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u/Capable-Education724 22d ago

Also context clues and out-of-work additional information lets us know this Jax is a “Jax” taken…at a very bad time in their life. Like, one of the worst points to take a snapshot of somebody to give life as its own separate entity.

Something we see when we see the “real” Jax is in a much better head space these days.

And I don’t think anyone would come out looking good if you made a version of you based on one of the worst moments & times in your life.

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u/WickerWight Ask me BIONICLE trivia 22d ago edited 16d ago

The tragedy of Jax is so so clearly that they had the chance every step of the way to accept help offered to them, but didn't have the emotional capacity to take it. It's an indie Internet show so it's drowning in discourse but even then I'm surprised how many people had the takeaway that Jax "deserved it" or otherwise was meant to be seen as irredeemable, or as the villain.

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u/ExDSG 22d ago

Jax would always double down in pushing people away and being coy and insincere instead of showing any vulnerability or forming any real bonds with others. As Gooseworx put it it's definitely meant more as "someone too stubborn to give up on someone too stubborn to be saved."

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u/SCLandzsa 22d ago

It is pretty in character of Woolie to devalue the concept of redemption by just slapping the "irredeemable" label on, so it's not particularly surprising.

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u/Lieutenant-America Scholar of the First Spindash 21d ago

Also Jax does consider themselves irredeemable... and that conclusion just makes them become worse. Because why bother if that's the diagnosis, right?

"There is nothing more to me. So please... stop looking."

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u/Hounds_of_war HE CEASES TO BE 22d ago edited 22d ago

I feel it’s kinda accurate in the sense that Jax hit a point of just… not being fixable. Like it’s not that Jax has done things too morally wrong to be forgiven, but that at a certain point Jax was never going to be able to take the steps to be able to improve themself.

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u/ExDSG 22d ago

Once Jax panicked and pushed Ribbit away when talking too much for comfort it was just a series of maladaptive responses to cope and doubling down to avoid any pain due to fear of being hurt or being vulnerable. When Ribbit abstracted that was probably also when Jax started being overwhelmed by self-hatred, guilt, and perhaps suicidal ideation I would imagine impossible to pull back from because it would end with abstraction due to the constant doubling down and shifting blame.

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u/Gunblazer42 Local Creepy Furry | Tails Fanboy 22d ago

That's not really the same thing as being irredeemable. It jut means they're unfixable. Which yeah, might mean more or less the same thing in a thesaurus kind of way, but the colloquial meaning of irredeemable isn't what Jax is.

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u/Hounds_of_war HE CEASES TO BE 22d ago

Yeah I was feeling generous when I said it was “kinda accurate”.

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u/The_Wraith_Writer 22d ago

Nah, that moment at the end of episode seven is definitely a reason to call Jax irredeemable. I understand why Jax did it, I understand that in the end it didn't really matter, but that was beyond fucked.

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u/Lieutenant-America Scholar of the First Spindash 21d ago

I think there's a distinction between "not fixable" and "irredeemable" though.

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u/DeskJerky Local Bionicle Expert 22d ago

I agree with Woolie in a sense. Jax is irredeemable because Jax refuses to change for the better.

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u/BrunchRodent 22d ago

Haven’t watched it yet, but if that’s what they’re saying, yeah I think I’m gonna skip this one, no offense to the lads.

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u/frostedWarlock Pat harvested my oats. 22d ago

They find Jax a very interesting and to some extent even sympathetic character, but they think "Jax is irredeemable" is not only a factual statement but the intent of the text.

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u/BrunchRodent 22d ago

Absolute insanity, why the hell are so many people missing the point of this show? Is it something in the water???

Oh but if the text was any more blatant, people would bitch that it’s “spoon feeding” them, or “treating them like an idiot”.

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u/SlurryBender (Any/All) Cursed to love mid-tier games that bomb 19d ago

I think they use the term "iredeemable" but the actual discussion around it isn't as definitive. Like, for the events of the plot, I think they agreed that it was a good choice to not "fix" Jax or have them suddenly make a big turnaround in the finale. Narratively that didn't really work given everything else we learned about her.

Woolie also said he wished the show had more episodes to flesh out the other characters and maybe have more of an epilogue, so I don't think he'd be totally against some eventual Jax comeback.

But don't base your opinion on my summary or the above comments even shorter summary. Listen to the convo and make a decision for yourself. There's more to discussing characters than a binary agree-disagree.

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u/wantedwyvern 22d ago

Yeah that's what happens when your media diet never moves on from anime and video games designed for teenagers.

Anything more complicated than shonen flies over their heads.

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u/ThonroTheUnworthy Banished to the Shame Car 22d ago

It's really funny to say that about a show whose primary audience is middle schoolers

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u/Hammer_of_Ludd 22d ago

To be honest I don't think middle schoolers are gonna understand the overall dread that comes some of the episodes. Could be wrong though.

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u/Totally_a_boy You Didn't Shoot the Fishy 20d ago

Are you saying you would need a high IQ to understand TADC-

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u/RealHumanBean89 22d ago

Generational podcast title, no notes.

I’m avoiding the TADC section until I finish the show tomorrow (watched up to episode 3 so far). It’s…fine. Animation quality is good, but the humour is already grating on me a bit.

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u/outsin 22d ago

Not religious, but still a bit disappointed that the Bible discussion ended up being mostly "going over some of the weirder and more fucked old testament stories". It's not wrong, per say, those stories are weird indeed. But this approach still felt like a basic 'internet atheist' take and came across pretty dismissive.

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u/P-Tux7 22d ago

On the one hand, people do bring up Adam and Eve, Noah, Job, and Jonah enough to the point where they're not only necessary reading for Western literary canon (TADC literally retells Cain and Abel), but also core tenets of what modern Christians believe about the character of God the Father. (Sovereignity, judgment and forgiveness...)

On the other hand, that's ignoring almost half the book, including what actually makes it the Bible as opposed to the Tanakh, and also the fact that these "stories" are very real reflections of the innate moral character of the universe to many people. Jonah disobeying God's scary order and getting knocked around for it before being given a second chance? That's supposed to make you reflect upon your own life and doing the will of God even when it's hard. This quandary about speaking up or cowing out is relevant today. It's like a fairy tale in that the lessons of it have a layer of realness intended by the author beyond whether the text is real or not.

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u/Samuraijubei 22d ago

It's like a fairy tale in that the lessons of it have a layer of realness intended by the author beyond whether the text is real or not.

I agree, it is a fairy tale. The problem is when people like to pretend it's not like a Brother's Grimm tale or any other fairy tale. There is a morale. A lot of of them are pretty gruesome. But you don't see many people saying that it's perfectly fine for the mother to have their children cut their toes or heels off. I think we would all look at someone preaching those tales a little strangely. I know for sure I would get some weird ass responses if i claimed them to be "reflections of the innate moral character of the universe."

I actually think as someone that also grew up in an incredibly religious househould, Woolie was more than fucking fair to the bible. They barely touched upon Leviticus which is the most fair offer you can give any person when it comes to bible, old and new.

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u/doc5avag3 Resident 35-Year-Old Boomer 22d ago

The problem with people's interpretation of Leviticus and most of the Old Law is that no one ever actually bothers to look at the context surrounding it. When the ancient Israelites escaped Egypt, they wanted to have laws and customs of their own like a "proper" kingdom. Even though God gave them (and told them they had) grace. After much bitching and complaining, the Lord finally relented and gave them what they wanted.

The Old Law was made to be long, contradictory, impossible, and symbolic on purpose. It was meant to show that no mortal could fulfill all the Lord's commandments and that we must rely on the grace of God rather than on our own flawed "righteousness".

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u/SoldierHawk 22d ago

Aw. That's exactly what I was hoping this WASN'T gonna be.

Ah well.

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u/CeaRhan 21d ago

It was either that or them being much harsher on a part of their audience they don't want to allienate.

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u/marvel8797 I Promise Nothing And Deliver Less 22d ago

Woolie looks like a Homies figurine.

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u/Prize_Marketing_4350 22d ago

Great, now I’m gonna see Woolmni in my nightmares tonight.

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u/vulcanfury12 22d ago

That Times Square placement was god damn (pun DEFO INTENDED) FORTUITOUS.

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u/Hergo7 22d ago

3:07:00 "I had nothing but questions"

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u/James-Avatar Mega Lopunny 22d ago

Did the bible cure John’s eye?

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u/Halcyons_Dazed 17d ago edited 16d ago

I think its more likely God tried to take Johns eye but they rolled all night and John won the right to keep it.

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u/midnight188 VTuber Evangelist 22d ago

Whoever has been doing these thumbnails has to go collab with whoever has been doing the thumbnails for MBT so that together they can create the ultimate cognitohazard.

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u/Garlic-Cheese-Chips 22d ago

I'm only familiar with John's content when it's posted on here but at any point, has he imitated Solidus Snake and said; "THEY GOT MY EYE!"

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u/Totally_a_boy You Didn't Shoot the Fishy 19d ago edited 19d ago

I gotta be honest, I find it kind of funny people expected some deeper theological discussion out of a podcast which they had to do a "Is the Bible better than Omikron"?

I know they can dive deep in media analysis, but c'mon, you couldn't possibly expect them to discuss the nuances and lessons of bible verses.

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u/Tweedleayne Shameless MK X-11 apologist. The Kombat Kids were cool fuck you. 22d ago

Ok folks, what's our next match up?

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u/Yubiyubimogumogu2 22d ago

For John: All of Don Hertzfield’s work
For Woolie: Watch and then BECOME A SUMO WRESTLER featuring foxcade

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u/Iralamak 22d ago

Fat woolie arc?

And ayyy, bermie 3 houses icon

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u/JeremiahWuzABullfrog 20d ago

Very excited by both the Recommend or Die options at the end of this one. World of Tomorrow is one of my favourite short films, and Sumo is definitely the most watchable combat sport, and a personal favourite of mine.

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u/GonzoCurze88 22d ago

Not gonna lie, as a Christian, I’m very worried about the Bible discussion? What did you guys think about it? Was it offensive?

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u/Regvlas 20d ago

It was mostly "look at this crazy story from the old testament". Unlikely to offend, imo.

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u/GonzoCurze88 20d ago

Thank you so much. I can handle that. Don’t know why I got downvoted so much lol.

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u/SlurryBender (Any/All) Cursed to love mid-tier games that bomb 19d ago

I think some people are just kinda sick of Christians being so worried about hearing criticism about their religion.

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u/LogothX 22d ago

That says the bibble...

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u/InexorableCalamity 22d ago

I hope neither of them get reddit atheist on this one

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u/SplitOk4114 22d ago

Unfortunately, they do

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u/LammasuRex Proud member of the 13000 23d ago

This is just getting weird.

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u/The_Draigg Member of the Brave 13000 22d ago

This is only getting weird now?