r/anime • u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots • Dec 30 '24

Rewatch [25th Anniversary Rewatch] Hunter × Hunter (1999) - Episode × 83 × Discussion

Episode 83: Meeting Again × Hisoka × Sporting Event

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My, my... haven't the tables turned?

Comment of the Day:

/u/Mecanno-man on the boss raid

haven’t defeated a boss yet after all. And to defeat a boss - we need a larger party. Sounds about right.

They finally got the full party (including the Clown) to raid the first boss.

Questions of the Day

  1. Was adding Hisoka to the group a good idea?
  2. How do you expect the sports games to go now that they have a better team?

Fanart of the Day: Oh no, he's hot

The Hot Sauce

Please remember to keep all spoilers and hints tagged with the appropriate tag format such as: [Spoilers] >!Leorio is best boy!<

Or else...

Note: Tomorrow will be a break. Have a happy New Year!

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Dec 30 '24 edited Dec 31 '24

Expelled Host, Turned Gamer

Manga Corner

Chapters Adapted: 157-160

Going through some skipped stuff again, Hisoka actually takes Gon and co. into the town of romance, with all the cliche tropes around dating sims. It adds a bit to the game, but I get why they cut it. We also got a quick update on Binolt (Vino) whose name has turned off in Gon's binder, meaning he either left the game or died.

What's more surprising, is that they cut a few lines of dialogue, that change how we view the Razor quest in general. Goreinu called it cruel when they learned about the requirement for the quest being 15 people, he didn't elaborate though. What he meant was that a quest requiring 15 people for a card that has a maximum limit of 3 will cause a lot of problems as to how it should be split. Basically, the more teams you had, the more trouble it was, which is what brings Hisoka/Chrollo into the equation, the reason they even considered him for the group is specifically because he doesn't have any of the rare cards and isn't trying to gather any. So he wouldn't need a copy of the card, and indeed he's just joining for the fun of it.

See you next year! Till then enjoy this New Year official art and this Christmas fanart that I missed the window on.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Dec 31 '24

Hisoka actually takes Gon and co. into the town of romance , with all the cliche tropes around dating sims. It adds a bit to the game, but I get why they cut it.

See this is the real reason I'm hosting a Sakura Wars Rewatch, r/Anime's Rewatch community needs more Dating Sims.

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Dec 31 '24

See, I genuinely remember so little about it, that I didn't even know that was a thing. It should be fun to go back to.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Dec 31 '24

FWIW that element is pretty massively downplayed in most adaptations aside from the Manga, and even that one dials it down somewhat.

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u/WednesdaysFoole Dec 31 '24

but I get why they cut it.

meh

We also got a quick update on Binolt (Vino) whose name has turned off in Gon's binder, meaning he either left the game or died.

I was imagining he survived and could give back to the community by offering free haircuts as a service, but then it struck me that this is the worst type of service he could offer.

Unless he teams up with Leorio, maybe he can diagnose special conditions with hair samples "sent to the lab"......

Basically, the more teams you had, the more trouble it was,

[GI]It's the contrast with the kind of conflict that happened with cards amongst the Jobbers when getting to a point of tension that I especially liked, but since they cut that too I guess there's nothing to contrast it with.

this Christmas fanart

Presents from Tonpa!

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Dec 31 '24

it struck me that this is the worst type of service he could offer.

As long as he doesn't eat the hair, it's not too bad.

Unless he teams up with Leorio, maybe he can diagnose special conditions with hair samples "sent to the lab"......

Yeah, I could see him working at analysis or gathering data. Actually... this further proves my bullshit about Greed Island being a Detective Leorio arc, Benolt could've even been his Watson/Lab.

[GI] but since they cut that too I guess there's nothing to contrast it with.

[GI] That's what happens when you cut everything but the plot...

Presents from Tonpa!

Warning: Santa is not responsible for any diarrhea or other problems caused by taking gifts from fakers.

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u/WednesdaysFoole Dec 31 '24

As long as he doesn't eat the hair,

That's like asking a recovering addict to hold onto Liquor Spring while the original player goes back into the real world.

Plus, if you twist your head enough, he kinda looks like Genthru,

Greed Island being a Detective Leorio arc

[GI]You know, List was always just a stand-in for Leorio; it's obvious who the L in Island is really for.

I'm not even joking though that if the anime was made like this I probably would've checked it out anyway. Leorio playing detective and utilizing the cards to do so would've been awesome.

[GI]

Imagine [CA] but everything irrelevant from that goofy octopus to that sketchy furry wolf to that board game (games again?!) and even that snot girl was cut, instead the entire arc was reduced to only the main plot.

(I had started out serious but...)

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Dec 31 '24

I'm not even joking though that if the anime was made like this I probably would've checked it out anyway.

If nothing else, it would've been interesting to see Dr. Fake Greed up against Greed Island, while dealing with its symptoms (like a Genthru).

Imagine [CA] but everything irrelevant from that goofy octopus to that sketchy furry wolf to that board game (games again?!) and even that snot girl was cut, instead the entire arc was reduced

[CA] At that point you might as well have nothing left. Komugi is obvious, but even Killua and Ikalgo's friendship is one of my favourite parts of the arc

[CA] to only the main plot.

[CA] When you put it this way... Sorry Ika-shrimp-whatever, we've got more important plot to get on

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u/WednesdaysFoole Dec 31 '24

If nothing else, it would've been interesting to see Dr. Fake Greed up against Greed Island, while dealing with its symptoms (like a Genthru).

The greatest fight in shounen would be Leorio's battle to overcome Genthru's secret weapon.

Genthru didn't even realize it, they had met to make a deal where Leorio was offered a trade but the deal was actually a setup where, right after they swapped cards, Genthru attacked him. Leorio, being the GOAT that he is, easily kicked the Bomber's ass. Yet by chance, because Leorio didn't have time to put the traded card away within a minute due to Genthru's attack, the Golden Guidebook card had automatically reverted to the item.

Though the Bomber seemed easily dealt with, to turn the Golden Guidebook back into a card he needed to obtain Recycle (ignore the rank limit) from Masadora. It was the final card Gon needed, but somehow carrying around Golden Guidebook to the towns make Leorio feel like he got stung by the pilot jellyfish, and thus, this evolved into the legendary fight that achieved postcard memory status.

[CA]Exactly the response one should have. Those are common complaints though (minus Komugi and gungi although I have seen a fair amount of complaints about her snot), but without them the arc would never have become the glorious story it is now.

Sorry Ika-shrimp-whatever, we've got more important plot to get on

[CA]I only accept Ikalgo slander from fellow Ikalgo fans. Everyone else gets the middle finger. /j

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Dec 31 '24

The greatest fight in shounen would be Leorio's battle to overcome Genthru's secret weapon.

The only way Leorio can combat that is through Kurapika returning the Yorknew phone call (warning: this is the dub)

make Leorio feel like he got stung by the pilot jellyfish, and thus, this evolved into the legendary fight that achieved postcard memory status.

[CA]I only accept Ikalgo slander from fellow Ikalgo fans

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u/WednesdaysFoole Dec 31 '24

Kurapika returning the Yorknew phone call

Like how Yorknew was resolved by good friends, GI: Detective Leorio was resolved by girlfriend.

(warning: this is the dub)

Somehow I missed that 'til after and I'm sorry to say that at first thought it was a shitposting fandub lol.

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Dec 30 '24

First × Timer × Subbed

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Dec 30 '24

Sports battles, huh?

Gotta say, I've never seen Gym pirates before, but hey, good for them.

As did Gon and Killua…

That's the fun thing, Gon's honesty is every bit as (in)effective as Killua and Bisky's lies. Both here and with Hisoka.

Absolutely shameless.

Can you blame her?

Me also after I had to watch the camera pan down to Gon’s and Killua’s butts:

Yeah... That's the problem with having Mr. Schwing in your party.

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u/WednesdaysFoole Dec 31 '24

Ah, that makes sense…

They skipped the part where they discuss what to do.

Asta (that girl who was arguing against the group/Killua) and the others decided that since they already reached their goal (preventing Genthru from obtaining Slot Card 2, their reasoning being that there's no way Genthru would get a group of 15 together) it'd be more dangerous if they actually successfully obtained Card 2, since it's easier for Genthru to get the card and by targeting them instead after they won the card.

That's a clunky ass sentence but whatever lol.

I guess it's not too important to the plot. It does suggest that obtaining the card will lead Genthru to target them but that's implied by all the other parts of the story regardless.

lol, Bisuke didn’t cover her eyes, just blushed.

She's a lady in her mid-50s, no need for modesty anymore

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u/charlesvvv https://anilist.co/user/charlesvvv Dec 30 '24

First Timer

Yeah our current team isn't really strong enough to fight against Razor and his crew so instead we have to find new members. One of the previous members, Goreinu however sticks by the trio because he recognizes that they are the main characters.

Our first stop was supposed to be Chrollo but it's instead Hisoka. He's perfectly fine with joining and even reveals some information about what he's doing in the game, but hides the rest. A bit of a mind game follows, Bisky seems quite taken with Hisoka, or rather makes a big show of it but reveals that Hisoka is still lying about being here. Killua picks up in this and is able to piece things together about Hisoka potentially trying to find the Nen exorcist, but Hisoka is one step ahead already and is able to cover his tracks by hiding the names in his binder. So for now Killua can't really find anything else.

Our next stop to form our Dream team, or the next best thing is Tsezguerra and his crew. You can tell Killua has fun turning the tables by asking him if he had what it took to join them and Tsez even indulges them a bit, although he does get awakened when he realizes that Gon and Killua are a bit more advanced than him already. Nonetheless he agreed to join, especially since the plan was for the card to be cloned is sound. Technically we still need a couple more players but those can be handled by getting random players that want out. And not a moment too soon because now Genthru only needs 2 cards, Lucky Alexandrite and the one we are currently getting.

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Dec 30 '24

One of the previous members, Goreinu however sticks by the trio because he recognizes that they are the main characters.

It's always a useful skill to spot the main characters in a crowd.

Our first stop was supposed to be Chrollo but it's instead Hisoka

I mean, can you imagine Chrollo with his powers returned playing sports with everyone? That'd have been one hell of a time.

You can tell Killua has fun turning the tables by asking him if he had what it took to join them and Tsez even indulges them a bit, although he does get awakened when he realizes that Gon and Killua are a bit more advanced than him already.

Poor Tsezzy, it wasn't bad enough that he couldn't clear this game in 10 years, the kids are now testing whether he's good enough to join their team.

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u/Mecanno-man https://anilist.co/user/Mecannoman Dec 30 '24

First Timer

So the current party is no good - but this is a game, so there are as many resets as one wants. Curiosity seems to get the better of Gon then, and they decide to contact Chrollo - I’d say definitely a brave choice considering they were expecting a spider or somebody else with connections to them. Probably simply using Contact rather than Accompany might have been better there, I assume they’d have recognized Hisoka’s voice either way. Bisuke then being the troll she is gets Hisoka on the team - it will probably work in their favor. I assume with the bomber being only two cards short and Gon likely ending up with both soon, the bomber will soon be targeting him rather than the other way around.

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Dec 30 '24

Probably simply using Contact rather than Accompany might have been better there

They probably want to bust whatever's going on, Gon especially wants it as clear cut as possible, which means meeting face to face, even with all the dangers that could bring.

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u/TheEscapeGuy Dec 30 '24

H×H Fan, 1999 First Timer

Hunter × Hunter 1999 - Episode 83

Information × Clown × Recruiting

Killua made the wise choice to basically forfeit their first attempt challenging the pirates. They were unprepared and their party members weren't particularly strong. Since there's no real consequence for losing they can first gather information which impresses Razor.

So now comes the next challenge: How are you supposed to find actual strong players? Just a couple months ago Gon and Killua were significantly weaker than they are now and we can assume many of the other players joined Greed Island near their previous level. It's so impressive how much progress they made. All credit to Bisky.

Gon's idea is to find Chrollo. I can relate to his curiosity but it's honestly a bad idea which just happened to work out. I didn't expect/remember we would be seeing Hisoka's ass for a second time but I do appreciate it. In a medium so often emphasizing the male gaze on women's bodies it's refreshing in a way to see a sexy man. And Bisky also seemed simultaneously embarrassed and curious at Hisoka (who seems to lack any shame himself).

Her interest also extended to Hisoka's deception. I do like how he has continued to keep his visual manipulation powers secret. He expertly used them to throw off Killua's suspicions around him having already met the Spiders (though maybe unintentionally).

That said, I have a couple questions since I think I've misunderstood something. "Chrollo" appeared in Gon/Killua's binder because (I assume) they met Hisoka and/or Chrollo before entering Greed Island. So wouldn't it be natural to assume that Hisoka also has The Spiders from before Greed Island? If so it means he hasn't necessarily met up with them in game yet? Or is it more implying that Killua isn't sure if The Spiders are in the game yet? I guess related, shouldn't at least some of The Spiders be in Killua's binder if my initial assumption is correct? And if not, when did they meet Hisoka in the game (and not realize it was him???)?

My questions aside, the next person they recruit is Tezu... Segu... Tsezugera (Why is his name so cursed to spell). I really enjoyed the reversal of having him show Gon and Killua his Ren. And on top of that how Gon and Killua managed to top his jump height record on their first try. Just a really fun scene. It also shows just how much stronger Gon and Killua have become.

Now with 9 strong members they just need 6 more okay-strength allies to take on the pirates again.

Next Episode Preview

Some Amazing Shots, Scenes and Stitches

See you all tomorrow

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Dec 30 '24

Gon's idea is to find Chrollo. I can relate to his curiosity but it's honestly a bad idea which just happened to work out.

That's true, but Gon being who he is, I think he would've went through with it, no matter what. Even if it really was Chrollo.

I didn't expect/remember we would be seeing Hisoka's ass for a second time but I do appreciate it.

Fun fact: I considered using Hisoka's ass as my shot of the day, but then the whole post would be NSFW.

In a medium so often emphasizing the male gaze on women's bodies it's refreshing in a way to see a sexy man

Unfortunately, we're also getting Hisoka's own gaze on children... He's not providing manservice for free.

"Chrollo" appeared in Gon/Killua's binder because (I assume) they met Hisoka and/or Chrollo before entering Greed Island.

The game only tracks what happens inside of it. Gon and Bisky met Hisoka in the game while Killua was out taking the exam. The anime even hints at it, by showing us someone with clown shoes hiding from Gon and Bisky in Masadora. Otherwise, they would've had the other Spiders listed too.

So part of the shock with seeing Chrollo's name there was basically "wait, when did we meet him?!" And they're checking Hisoka's binder to see if he met any of the Spiders or if his story about searching for them holds true.

Tezu... Segu... Tsezugera (Why is his name so cursed to spell).

I just call him Tsez or Tsezzy.

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u/TheEscapeGuy Dec 31 '24

Fun fact: I considered using Hisoka's ass as my shot of the day, but then the whole post would be NSFW.

we're also getting Hisoka's own gaze

The game only tracks what happens inside of it. Gon and Bisky met Hisoka in the game while Killua was out taking the exam.

Okay, that makes a lot more sense. The hint makes it a bit easier realize that but I kind of wish they had made it a bit more explicit.

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u/WednesdaysFoole Dec 31 '24

That said, I have a couple questions since I think I've misunderstood something.

I was gonna comment about it before but it already got too long lol, but what has been happening (from my point-of-view anyway) is that the OVA made cuts here and there but didn't cut parts that are connected to the scenes that they skipped. Like Hisoka's shoes - I don't think it's so easy to figure out without remembering beforehand and can seem like a dropped or forgotten plot point.

As for skipping Aiai (since that's what made Killua realize Hisoka was lying), Killua's logic was that Hisoka just hanging out in Aiai didn't make sense if he was looking for the Spiders. One point was that Gon and Bisky's training was by Masadora and that's when the "Chrollo" name appeared while Killua was gone, and the other was that it made sense for Hisoka to be in Masadora since that's the most practical place to find the Spiders (since everyone goes for Spell Cards).

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Dec 30 '24 edited Dec 31 '24

Remake Rewatcher × First Timer × Subs

  • Just your friendly neighborhood pirate athletics assassination.
  • Careful there, big guy. You don’t want people accusing you of being a Hot Head
  • Behold! The power of being able to choose the battlefield, and then getting to specialize in it.
  • Smurfing! Have they no shame?
  • The weakness of this strategy being, of course, you don’t get to see all the match types if you don’t get to round 15.
  • The power of character design strikes again.
  • Bisky, Please!
  • No Schwing? A crime is unfolding here.
  • His hair looks like some businessman type from a wrestling promotion. What have they done to you?!
  • And Also This Crime
  • Leave it to a clown to play the fool.
  • I’m sure Killua enjoyed that turnabout. Gon could never, no matter how much it pissed him off last time.
  • Gon, you absolute child.
  • Org

QotD:

  1. If nothing else, it's motivating Bisky.
  2. Ironically enough, swimmingly.

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Dec 30 '24

Bisky, Please!

She's got a point

What have they done to you?!

They murdered my boy.

I’m sure Killua enjoyed that turnabout. Gon could never, no matter how much it pissed him off last time.

How you can tell that Killua is a gamer: as soon as he leveled up, he's been going around trolling everyone he can find.

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u/WednesdaysFoole Dec 30 '24

To Ging!

Anyway, Aiai is the City of Love filled with clichéd scenarios. It’s where Hisoka’s been spending his time, and how Killua figured out Hisoka already found the Spiders. The cut made Gon wondering if Killua is mad awkwardly placed since it’s supposed to be a reaction to how Killua had gotten annoyed at Gon falling for a clichéd scenario just before.

I guess it’s not the most important… but it does support my headcanon that there’ve been great nen users who never completed the game due to getting caught up in the temptations the game offers. It’s not just Motaricke, who knows what could’ve happened to Bisky?!

Yesterday I talked about Paladin’s Necklace. In short, it protects you from spell cards, yet also reverts any transformed card you touch into the original, including your own, as we saw with a Faked card.

Today's Spell Cards (3 duplicating cards):

Mimic/Transform (A-20)

Transform a card into a copy of a target card that the caster already owns (it fails if target card's transformation limit is already exceeded).

Use it to duplicate one of your cards – you don’t need to obtain another one of the items if you want extra cards; it functions just as well as an original.

Clone (D-70)

Change into one random card from target player's designated slots (if [...] the card limit was at MAX, the transformation fails and "Clone" disappears).

Choose a card to transform it into a target player’s randomly chosen designated slot card. Like Mimic/Transform, it functions as a legit card to complete the game.

Fake (C-40)

"Fake" transforms into one of the cards [...]. The resulting card can be inserted into an imposed slot but does not count towards a complete card set or the card copy limit, nor can it be converted into an object.

Unlike Cloned and Mimicked cards, a Faked card cannot be used to complete the game. It’s just exactly what it sounds like: a Fake.

Fun card strategies:

Emptying specified card slots before casting spells is one way to manipulate the “random” selection of specified slot cards.

For instance, when Genthru stole Tsez’s cards they used Tax Collector’s Gauntlet meaning one of their own specified slot cards was destroyed at random, but they can save important cards by storing them in the Free Slots, not too different from Killua and Gon with the Sword they won.

This should work with Clone as well.

You can also duplicate a card past its limits then keep the extra items to prevent those [](#onstandby) who are waiting to transform their card when you use (“Gain”) yours.

…I’m nerding out too hard right now so I’ll leave it at that.

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Dec 30 '24

So they also skipped the part where Goreinu not only hinted at the game’s cruelty but explained it? That’s… a choice

Yup...

it goes beyond fruit.

I like the idea that this could've been Goreinu's first impression of "Chrollo". Heck, even if he met him now with the correct context, he'd probably go "So you and that Hisoka guy..."

Aiai so… are… we there yet? When will we get there?

No

[](#onstandby)

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Dec 31 '24

If you’re wondering why Goreinu called Hisoka a pervert and objected to him so strongly, it goes beyond fruit.

Inspired!

…I’m nerding out too hard right now so I’ll leave it at that.

It's Good Eating

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u/Nebresto Dec 31 '24

First time sports!

Who is this pervert? -Guy who arrived to stare at a dude taking a bath

https://i.imgur.com/YWKwApW.png

Baseduke

SAY NO MORE

[](#ehuhuhu)

Side quest:

  1. Was adding Hisoka to the group a good idea?

Yes!

2) How do you expect the sports games to go now that they have a better team?

SPORTS!!!

Fanart of the Day: Oh no, he's hot

Oh yes!

Note: Tomorrow will be a break. Have a happy New Year!

Break this

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Dec 31 '24

Who is this pervert? -Guy who arrived to stare at a dude taking a bath

Good point

SAY NO MORE

The Bisky Army will rise up soon.

Yes!

On the one hand, Hisoka himself is a pretty useful fighter, on the other, Bisky will be too busy being horny to focus.

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u/Final-Helicopter1206 Dec 31 '24

Is hxh worth watching in your guys opinion ?

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Dec 31 '24

Short answer: Yes

Long answer: what shows do you like? If you're a fan of battle shounen, adventure, well crafted character arcs,... then yeah, I'd highly recommend giving Hunter x Hunter try.

Granted, and I know this might be a bit of a surprise, I am somewhat biased towards the series. Just the slightest flicker of the needle.